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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 8:26:03 GMT -6
I recently came back to coaching at the High School level from coaching in College. In the area I am living and coaching, there is almost ZERO connection between the High School Football Program and the Midget League/Feeder systems. To my understanding its been this way for years. This is a travesty in my opinion. I was appointed Midget League Liaison (LOL) by our head coach. Most of our Midget League Coaches are former players and alums of the High School where I am now. But they have a very negative attitude towards the program. I want to change that. I believe to change the culture of this program (top to bottom) we need to become a Program, instead of just three parts to a problem. In the end, it only hurts the Kids, and this community. I understand that Midget League teams can't run everything we do at the varsity levels. However, I do believe we can begin to build a base of knowledge and understanding, and keep kids on all levels feeling as if they are a part of the entire program. I know from my coaching experience, that part of the fun and attraction to this sport is to build your own system offensively and defensively. But as a part of the program, if you are running power, or trap, or counter or Iso or whatever. We should begin with terminology and nomenclature being the same from the time they first put on their pads. Here is the problem. The Midget programs have been successful, and the Varsity program has struggled. So convincing these Midget/Feeder programs to get on board with the Varsity is a struggle. And when I have tried to talk football with them I keep getting the same responses: "I may know too much football", "Our kids can't do that", "I like blocking This way", "We don't teach it like that" whatever the response, I am not gaining any ground. And I feel that, even though we had success here my first year, I feel like they do not believe in the new guy in town yet. LOL. And without trying to sound like a "Know it All" I do know my stuff. I was a college OC, and have been around the game for 25+ years. I truly want to change the culture here. I want to get rid of the divide. I'm reaching out to you Midget/Feeder coaches. Give me some advice on how to do it?
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 17, 2013 8:43:27 GMT -6
Run their stuff..LOL That is a tough nut to crack....IMO, and I have seen it, the chicken DOES come before the egg..once you guys start winning, they will start listening..it won't go the other way...BTW IMO..the terminology stuff is WAY overrated..I rather have kids w/ good fundamentals than a kid that knows 39 toss is to the left
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Post by SpreadnShred on Jan 17, 2013 8:50:29 GMT -6
The biggest thing you have to do IMO is get the president and or football director of the feeder program on board with what the Varsity is doing once that's achieved have them set up meetings with the feeder programs coaches to go over your philosophy and why your staff feels it's important for the feeder program and varsity to be on the same page.Changing culture is tough but just persistence and it will happen. best of luck
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 8:52:02 GMT -6
LOL ok. I can teach all the fundamentals you want. Like I said, we did win this year. It was my first year here. But I do not like to wait. The problem is, I don't feel like there is a connection. How do we build that connection and close that communication gap?
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 8:53:20 GMT -6
Thanks...That's the stuff I am looking for. LOL
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Post by coachbuck on Jan 17, 2013 9:27:25 GMT -6
Run their stuff..LOL That is a tough nut to crack....IMO, and I have seen it, the chicken DOES come before the egg..once you guys start winning, they will start listening..it won't go the other way...BTW IMO..the terminology stuff is WAY overrated..I rather have kids w/ good fundamentals than a kid that knows 39 toss is to the left jgordon is spot on. Running what varsity does means very little. Have a youth football nite. Have a summer camp with the H.S. seniors teaching the lil guys. Let the pee wees 7-8yr olds play a game at halftime. Band will hate it but the crowd will love it. If the kids make the playoffs announce it at your varsity game. Congratulate them on the loud speaker. You could have a coaches clinic for the coaches. Not on Offense or defense but on proper tackling techniques, blocking techniques. Be access able to the coaches and they will talk your program up.
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 9:46:42 GMT -6
OK let me ask you this. Like I said, I don't think they can run everything we run. But what is wrong with getting ahead of the curve. I do know programs that do this. I agree with the fundamental aspect whole heartedly. If fundamentals are taught correctly, I do not see how starting from an early age learning a system could hurt. However, I think you are missing my point. Get all of the football details out of the equation. WOW, lol. I am starting to see it here too. Beyond the X's and O's. I want to make these guys feel as if they are part of the program!! You youth coaches have an impact, you are important...many kids (and parents) develop an opinion of our sport or programs from their experiences from youth football. I think that not feeling this way is a bad thing.
Let me ask you this? Do you youth coaches feel as if you are a part of the overall football program in your communities? Why? Or why not? What do you think? How could it be better? Don't make this into a peeing contest over what level knows more X's and O's.
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 9:55:01 GMT -6
And, we did have a youth night. Top to bottom announced all the kids names from every team in the community that played football. Had the Varsity Line up and make a tunnel for the kids to run through....let them play on the turf, under the lights. It was a big deal, had the radio there and everything. And finished the night with our Varsity Team Scrimmage. I'm honestly trying. But I believe the HC who has been here a while has had a very bad experience with the youth coaches...and vice versa. Like I said I am new to the scene. I have even gone as far as offering help on my own time, to meet with anyone who wanted to talk football. Its like nothing I have ever seen. When I coached College, we would get together with other staffs, clinic, share film...even with teams from our own conference. There are no secrets! LOL. I spent time with NFL teams and learned from them...actually had NFL guys ask me about our system. I just feel like I am looked at like I am questioning someones manhood when I want to discuss football. LOL This entire website is devoted to X's and O's, and this sport. We all learn from one another!
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Post by SpreadnShred on Jan 17, 2013 9:58:14 GMT -6
Be apart of your the youth program attend practices when you can, be at the home games thing like that will help. Also its been mentioned be a resource for the youth coaches. Forming a relationship with these coaches and players will help you achieve what you're looking for.
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 10:14:59 GMT -6
Yeah, I found out thats what being the Youth League Liaison was all about. LOL. I really want to be a resource for these guys. I know many of them. Do not take this the wrong way please Gosh, but I almost feel like they do not want to talk football with me. And I don't know how other to say it than I feel like they are intimidated or may think I think they do not know what they are talking about. I tell anyone I have talked to...ask questions! I have been that guy in the room that had no idea what the coach is talking about! Want to feel ignorant? Go sit in a room thinking you know football...and listen to an NFL guy go through their installation schedule that day! The first day I coached in college, I was coaching a position I had never played or coached before! I have been there. But I love to learn and I love to teach. Thanks for the input...keep it coming.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 17, 2013 13:19:58 GMT -6
Coach,
You wont have much credibility until you start winning consistently It's all about credibility and trust
3-4 years ago I did survey of the USA Today final top 20 High School coaches I got ahold of 18 of them- 17 said they didnt give a rip what the youth kids ran For me anyways, I care about the opinions of those that consistently win- these guys didnt care. Several laughed when I asked- asked if I was serious Blocking, tackling, prioritizing their time, running quick paced and fun practices-help them with that for now- THe HS one of my teams fed into a few years ago changed offensive schemes 3 times in 5 years and won a handful of games- why would anyone want to copy a failing moving/changing target?
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Post by ach36 on Jan 17, 2013 17:33:25 GMT -6
Holy cow. Do you not see a correlation to being successful when everyone works together? I have said three times now, lol, I do not really care about the system they run. Do I think it would be beneficial? Yes, absolutely. However, I am more concerned about being a Program. Top to bottom. This is not a community where there are a few feeder programs. There is one. If the feeder programs are negative towards the Varsity program, then we have a problem. I am trying to solve this problem by reaching out to the feeder programs. Speak of credibility? Good lord. Read beginning post please. So basically what the youth coaches are saying here is that it is pointless to reach out to them? Thats a shame. It truly is. I guess since the Coordinators for the Cleveland Browns have not won consistently they don't know football or hold enough credibility to approach youth league coaches? Come on man. Please give me some ways to bring this community together, and get over yourselves. Anyone out there who has a level head on your shoulders or can at least read previous posts?!
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Post by davecisar on Jan 17, 2013 18:06:51 GMT -6
Coach
I read your post You want reality, Im giving you reality Ive done over 120 youth coaches clinics and spoken to 1000s of youth coaches- Youve coached HS and college ball for 25 years- Ive coached youth football for 25 years- a different game/goals in a lot iof ways I get where the youth guys are coming from
Scheme and numbering dont mean a big deal to most very successful HS coaches Ive worked with Most of them just want kids who are playing(retention) ,love the game, have a passion and appreciation for the game and can block and tackle well In todays reset society- retention is also a function of having some reasonable success on the field as a team and individual-otherwise they move on to another sport
The extremely successful HS coaches Ive had the pleasure of working with- understood that MANY youth coaches suffer through apathetic or even poor coaches at the HS level There are plenty at the youth level as well Reality- means until you show competence and carying the trust simply wont be there
IN my example- why would I trust someone who ran 3 different schemes in 5 years and won just a handful of games? It wouldnt have made much sense to copy what they did- it was a moving target- especially when we were consitently retaining 100% of our kids and winning 90% of our games.
No one is suggesting anyone be negative towards anyone else- you dont have to be negative to not adopt another persons point of view I never claimed it was pointless either I get along really well with the 1 HS the program I have now feeds into- we meet a couple times a year- clinic, e-mail monthly etc Doesnt mean we run their stuff or use their numbering. We support them 100%, youth nights etc- and they support us 100%
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 17, 2013 20:20:23 GMT -6
This is an argument that crops up every few months and last time it was resolved fairly effectively.
Teams that win and have integrated programs are like that because everyone works together for a common goal and all the constituent parts trust one another to work in each other's best interests, not because of a couple extra years running the same scheme, which is liable to change from when kids start playing to when they entire HS. Your HS team is not a consistent winner, and they apparently don't even see it as a good program in other respects. You can't force them to run your stuff, you have to work with them. More important than having them under your control is getting them to produce kids with good fundamentals who enjoy football and want to continue playing
Varsity is not "the most important." The most important level is whichever the kids are at right now. EVen if you have a fully integrated system, simple statistics says that most youth players won't stick around until varsity, a fair number will move, the HS will, in all likelihood, change schemes, and it will all add up to nothing. The only constant here is sound fundamentals.
Think about how much kids forget over summer break. Summer break as a concept is being threatened because the research shows that kids forget so much of the previous year that you can hardly make any progress. Your offseason isn't three months, it's eight months. None of these kids remember any of that crap, they just remember big touchdowns and fun moments.
Trying to bully your feeders is likely to backfire, especially if you have open enrollment. They're successful and you're not, so you may want to learn from them. I know this year was successful, but it'll take at least two more years of successful seasons (7-3 or better) to change anyone's mind. It's a huge project to overhaul their perception. They may never jump on board with your scheme, and frankly the world will not end on account of it. Encourage them to have successful seasons and produce good players, that will help you more than any scheme.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 18, 2013 0:32:40 GMT -6
Do you youth coaches feel as if you are a part of the overall football program in your communities? Around here there's nothing that could be said to be "the overall football program" in the community. However, some youth clubs or teams do have relationships with higher level organiz'ns. When I was with the No. Bronx Youth Sports Ass'n in 2007, we were friendly with Truman HS football. Where I was in 2008, the youth teams were affiliates of an adult football club, the Gun Hill Rebels. Where I've been since 2010, the Warrior club, we have a relationship with SUNY Maritime College football. Only in the case of the Rebels was there any sense of technical relationship between the kids' brand of football and the adults', and that's because it was all one organiz'n.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 18, 2013 4:13:06 GMT -6
I recently came back to coaching at the High School level from coaching in College. In the area I am living and coaching, there is almost ZERO connection between the High School Football Program and the Midget League/Feeder systems. To my understanding its been this way for years. This is a travesty in my opinion. I was appointed Midget League Liaison (LOL) by our head coach. Most of our Midget League Coaches are former players and alums of the High School where I am now. But they have a very negative attitude towards the program. I want to change that. I believe to change the culture of this program (top to bottom) we need to become a Program, instead of just three parts to a problem. In the end, it only hurts the Kids, and this community. I understand that Midget League teams can't run everything we do at the varsity levels. However, I do believe we can begin to build a base of knowledge and understanding, and keep kids on all levels feeling as if they are a part of the entire program. I know from my coaching experience, that part of the fun and attraction to this sport is to build your own system offensively and defensively. But as a part of the program, if you are running power, or trap, or counter or Iso or whatever. We should begin with terminology and nomenclature being the same from the time they first put on their pads. Here is the problem. The Midget programs have been successful, and the Varsity program has struggled. So convincing these Midget/Feeder programs to get on board with the Varsity is a struggle. And when I have tried to talk football with them I keep getting the same responses: "I may know too much football", "Our kids can't do that", "I like blocking This way", "We don't teach it like that" whatever the response, I am not gaining any ground. And I feel that, even though we had success here my first year, I feel like they do not believe in the new guy in town yet. LOL. And without trying to sound like a "Know it All" I do know my stuff. I was a college OC, and have been around the game for 25+ years. I truly want to change the culture here. I want to get rid of the divide. I'm reaching out to you Midget/Feeder coaches. Give me some advice on how to do it? It sounds as if you would like all of those youth coaches to be your varsity staff assistants, and they're not buying into it. I wouldn't, either.
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 18, 2013 5:27:05 GMT -6
How about this.......instead of going to the pee wee program with your attitude of "how can the little guys get on board with the varsity to help us out", why not go to them (as you should) with the attitude of "what can the varsity program do to help the little guys".
Nobody cares if you were a college OC and "know your stuff", what they care about is THEIR program and THEIR kids. So what you need to do is humble yourself, go to the league president and let him know that the HS staff, players and all resources are available to him and his coaches so that TOGETHER everyone improves. Now there are hundreds of things to do to get the pee wee kids excited about HS ball, just read through some of the threads on this site, but until your perception of what a youth coach or program changes you will never make progress. They do not exist to make the HS better. They exist to provide an opportunity for young kids to get to know the game of football, hopefully instill a lifelong love of the sport and most importantly to create an atmosphere of enjoyment with their friends that they will carry with them through their years of school.
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Post by ach36 on Jan 18, 2013 7:34:58 GMT -6
"I have said three times now, lol, I do not really care about the system they run. Do I think it would be beneficial? Yes, absolutely. However, I am more concerned about being a Program. Top to bottom. This is not a community where there are a few feeder programs. There is one. If the feeder programs are negative towards the Varsity program, then we have a problem. I am trying to solve this problem by reaching out to the feeder programs." sorry I do not know how to quote here. But this makes four times now. Again this is a town where there is one high school...one middle school...and one youth league. IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY READING THIS... I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. Pay close attention...I do not care if they run our system. I WANT to be a resource for these guys. I want kids to play football. I AM NEW TO THIS SITUATION. I am trying to help the situation. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get the chip off your shoulders and be part of the solution.
"until your perception of what a youth coach or program changes you will never make progress." How are you misconstruing the fact I am being negative towards the youth coaches?!
"Nobody cares if you were a college OC and "know your stuff", what they care about is THEIR program and THEIR kids. So what you need to do is humble yourself"
"You wont have much credibility until you start winning consistently It's all about credibility and trust"
Its my credibility being attacked. THATS why I backed up my credibility. Again, this is not about X's and O's. It seems that every time I respond here you guys miss that so I will say it again. I will also say I am new to this situation. I will also repeat again. I helped organize a youth clinic here. I helped put together a youth night prior to the season, for all the youth teams to get to scrimmage under the lights. We had the radio there, the PA guy announced every kid in our youth program. The varsity players lined up and made tunnels for the youth players to run through. I just yesterday sent a text to every youth coach in the community asking about getting together and just talking about what we could do to help them. I have been in this community for less than one year. SO I WILL ASK AGAIN. Is there more I can do?
Now to address your attitudes toward my background. What is your problem with learning? I have never seen people get so defensive. High School coaches, college coaches, NFL coaches...all learn from one another. We seek out each others advice. We enjoy talking football. So why do youth coaches get their underoos in a bunch when someone offers advice? If John Gruden was standing at my fence watching my practice, and I was having problems or questions about something, I do believe he could offer me some help...and I would be man enough to ask him. I think its an inferiority complex. Good lord fellas. Grow up.
I promise you this. Something I have learned. I don't care how much you think you know on a subject...there is always someone out there who knows more.
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Post by coachbuck on Jan 18, 2013 7:57:27 GMT -6
" I have said three times now, lol, I do not really care about the system they run. Do I think it would be beneficial? Yes, absolutely. However, I am more concerned about being a Program. Top to bottom. This is not a community where there are a few feeder programs. There is one. If the feeder programs are negative towards the Varsity program, then we have a problem. I am trying to solve this problem by reaching out to the feeder programs." sorry I do not know how to quote here. But this makes four times now. Again this is a town where there is one high school...one middle school...and one youth league. IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY READING THIS... I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. Pay close attention...I do not care if they run our system. I WANT to be a resource for these guys. I want kids to play football. I AM NEW TO THIS SITUATION. I am trying to help the situation. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get the chip off your shoulders and be part of the solution. "until your perception of what a youth coach or program changes you will never make progress." How are you misconstruing the fact I am being negative towards the youth coaches?! "Nobody cares if you were a college OC and "know your stuff", what they care about is THEIR program and THEIR kids. So what you need to do is humble yourself" "You wont have much credibility until you start winning consistently It's all about credibility and trust" Its my credibility being attacked. THATS why I backed up my credibility. Again, this is not about X's and O's. It seems that every time I respond here you guys miss that so I will say it again. I will also say I am new to this situation. I will also repeat again. I helped organize a youth clinic here. I helped put together a youth night prior to the season, for all the youth teams to get to scrimmage under the lights. We had the radio there, the PA guy announced every kid in our youth program. The varsity players lined up and made tunnels for the youth players to run through. I just yesterday sent a text to every youth coach in the community asking about getting together and just talking about what we could do to help them. I have been in this community for less than one year. SO I WILL ASK AGAIN. Is there more I can do? Now to address your attitudes toward my background. What is your problem with learning? I have never seen people get so defensive. High School coaches, college coaches, NFL coaches...all learn from one another. We seek out each others advice. We enjoy talking football. So why do youth coaches get their underoos in a bunch when someone offers advice? If John Gruden was standing at my fence watching my practice, and I was having problems or questions about something, I do believe he could offer me some help...and I would be man enough to ask him. I think its an inferiority complex. Good lord fellas. Grow up. I promise you this. Something I have learned. I don't care how much you think you know on a subject...there is always someone out there who knows more. Coach I think if you are doing all that you are doing enough. When you enter a situation that has always had a disconnect you cant expect it to be fixed in a year or two. Stay positive keep doing what you are doing it will come around. The other posters are correct though, when you start winning the coaches will start listening more, its just the way it is. Good luck.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 18, 2013 8:17:32 GMT -6
Well, it would seem that they're probably distrustful. I don't know if maybe you rubbed them the wrong way or if it's the HS program in general, but I get the impression they're spooked by something. You said you were new in town, is it possible they know something you don't? Try to get the good gossip on what's been going on. Failing in that, they might just fear a power grab by a HS team that has been unsuccessful and possibly mismanaged. You may not need to become big winners to bring them around if you can show that you run a stable program that does the right things for the kids, wins and losses aside.
You may need to make a blind peace offering. You mentioned hosting their playoff games and making a big deal of it. Continue doing this sort of thing, get your players interacting and develop a relationship.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 18, 2013 8:22:13 GMT -6
One of the things we did was have our kids go down and help coach the lower levels at their camp..this way their kids got to know our kids
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Post by ach36 on Jan 18, 2013 8:28:53 GMT -6
OK NOW we are getting somewhere. Thanks. I like it. Keep it coming. I set up a get together with some of them. Let you know how it turns out
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 18, 2013 8:52:30 GMT -6
oooh just remembered....we didn't do it but another program has extra room on their practice field so one of the teams practices right next to the varsity..thought that was pretty cool
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 18, 2013 9:45:13 GMT -6
One thing The Zoo was VERY good at was sinking their claws into the youth league (to the point of being a problem). They would install their own people as coaches of as many youth teams as possible, have as many players as possible show up to practices and games, having practices be on their field, just whatever it took to turn the league into an indoctrination course.
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 18, 2013 10:27:39 GMT -6
"good lord.....grow up"...inferiority complex.....really? I think most of the guys who have responded to you on this thread have been HS or varsity coaches, not just youth coaches.
That being said, how about this, I think the things you have done so far are great first steps. Anything you can do to get the small kids involved and INTERACTING with the HS players will breed that desire to be a part of that atmosphere when they get to the age of playing Jr high for the school.
Here are some of the things we are doing: -Youth night at a varsity game were the midget league players get to come out and do stretches with the varsity players. This has worked great in the past, as some of the little kids have brothers playing varsity and they get to be on the field with them. This also makes mom and dad happy. -Youth camp ran by HS players, again they get to "hang" with the HS players. Get Mom and Dad involved with this as far as providing refreshments like Popsicles or whatever after each camp session. Also get the JR high parents to do the cookout on the last day (now you have pee wee and jr high involved). -Free entry to a varsity game if they wear their jersey.
Also, you could help out on the administrative side with the person running the league. Offer up all of your contacts for uniforms, equipment, and any other supply you use. They may be able to piggy back some apparel or gear purchases with yours and utilize some cost savings.
Bottom line is this is going to take a couple of seasons to get going, and they have to trust you are truly interested in making their organization better, which is no different than the way you view someone who is coming to you to offer to help you out. You gotta trust them and make sure the come thru like they say they will, and then you begin a good working relationship.
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Post by jrk5150 on Jan 18, 2013 11:03:12 GMT -6
Let's back up a minute. I'm a youth coach in a program that would love to have some kind of relationship with our HS program, but the HS wants nothing to do with us, even though we're typically more successful than they are. So just remember, there are always different sides to this issue.
Looking at it from afar, remember you're dealing with volunteers that have widely varying levels of commitment and knowledge, as well as personalities.
You'll have:
1. The truly ignorant who think "this is youth football" and treat it like youth soccer/basketball/baseball...in other words, they'll show up when they have to, and babysit the kids, and that's about it. The easier you can make their world, the more receptive they'll be. Just don't expect a ton of time from them.
2. The guys who are living vicariously through the kids and think they know everything there is to know because they played football in middle school/high school/college. They may or may not actually know what they're doing. Good luck ever getting through to them. They give the rest of us a bad name.
3. The coaches who put the time in and really learn their stuff who are going to resist largely based on ego. Tough to get through to them, they are going to feel like you have nothing to offer them, and will see no benefit to cooperating with you.
4. The coaches who put the time in and really learn their stuff but are smart enough to know they should always be learning and growing. You'll get through to them as far as things like terminology and sense of "one program", but might have resistance if you want them to change what they're doing - they've put the time in and might just know more about what they're doing than you do. Although they may acquiesce if shown that there is a good alternative way to do things. Requires TIME on your part - you have to show the level of commitment to them that they are giving of themselves.
5. The coaches who will be 100% open to whatever you're doing since they agree it should be one program, etc. They might be good, they might be bad, but they'll be open to what you say.
I'd guess most youth programs have a combination of the above. The one common factor - to get through and forge a connection to any program will likely require TIME and COMMITMENT from the HS program. As was already mentioned - be down at the field all the time. Volunteer yourself to help out in any way. Sponsor activities. Watch and listen more than talk. Don't come off like you know more, even if you do. If you approach this as an open offer around how you can help them, you'll be successful more often than not. As soon as they feel like you're trying to get something from them, they're going to shut down.
Good luck - it seems like you have a great take on this, and the perfect attitude to get it done. Just be patient; as you alluded to, there's likely more to this than meets the eye if there's history.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 18, 2013 12:37:05 GMT -6
It sounds to me that you would like those youth coaches to get on board with the way you do things. That makes them unpaid varsity staff assistants. I'll bet they think that, too.
I've read your original post, and the replies, several times and your post was a total put off. Maybe that's not the way you intended, but if I were one of the youth coaches and you came to me with the perceived attitude, I would have been insulted.
I don't care if you coached HS, NCAA, or Pro, and I don't care how many years, either. You claim it's not about X's and O's, but it really is. You want common terminology and to block plays this way, or that way. (inferred from your OP), and all the time claiming to do this for the well being of the community.
You did, or said, or implied something to those guys, and it turned them off. I think I read it between the lines of your post.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 18, 2013 12:50:08 GMT -6
It sounds to me that you would like those youth coaches to get on board with the way you do things. That makes them unpaid varsity staff assistants. I'll bet they think that, too. I've read your original post, and the replies, several times and your post was a total put off. Maybe that's not the way you intended, but if I were one of the youth coaches and you came to me with the perceived attitude, I would have been insulted. I don't care if you coached HS, NCAA, or Pro, and I don't care how many years, either. You claim it's not about X's and O's, but it really is. You want common terminology and to block plays this way, or that way. (inferred from your OP), and all the time claiming to do this for the well being of the community. You did, or said, or implied something to those guys, and it turned them off. I think I read it between the lines of your post. I have read this thread several times and don't see how the OP's comments are off putting. I don't understand why the "one program" vision is such a problem. I feel all the fundamentals should be taught the same i.e. tackling, blocking etc. I think the hole numbers should be the same also, but besides that I don't care what offense the youth league runs. I'd be happy with the things mentioned above. Our pee wee system as a whole is very successful. We have tried to get on the same page, but they never have really wanted to. They think they are doing a good job because they get good numbers and win games yet when they come to us they are clueless. As a organization they are great. Getting the kids ready for high school ball, not so much. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 18, 2013 13:19:33 GMT -6
I have never coached youth...I don't understand the concept of a youth program being successful..do you go out and play other youth programs? They way they do it here is we have a youth program out in our section of the county..there are probably 500 kids in the program with about 20-22 kids to a team. so they have 3 leagues (A,B, C) w/ 8 teams in a league and just play each other.. I guess a team could be successful but the league?
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 18, 2013 13:40:45 GMT -6
I have never coached youth...I don't understand the concept of a youth program being successful..do you go out and play other youth programs? They way they do it here is we have a youth program out in our section of the county..there are probably 500 kids in the program with about 20-22 kids to a team. so they have 3 leagues (A,B, C) w/ 8 teams in a league and just play each other.. I guess a team could be successful but the league? Our pee wee system has 3 main levels. Smallest being micro's then juniors then seniors. Each division plays a 9 game schedule vs other towns. It's like a conference. Then they have playoffs. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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