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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 1, 2008 12:23:33 GMT -6
I wanted to get a feeling what teams are doing these days...
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Post by bluecrazy on Feb 1, 2008 12:29:18 GMT -6
I do hand out playbooks, but I'm starting to re-think this, because I find a few here and there in the locker room. We did start to number them, and they have to turn them in at the end of the year, just like equipment. I like my Q.B.'s to have them in off season, so they get to know the other positions.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 1, 2008 12:36:48 GMT -6
I do hand out playbooks, but I'm starting to re-think this, because I find a few here and there in the locker room. We did start to number them, and they have to turn them in at the end of the year, just like equipment. I like my Q.B.'s to have them in off season, so they get to know the other positions. Yeah, I've handed them out to the QBs and a select few backs...but voted for the chalk talk |
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Post by toddniklaus on Feb 1, 2008 12:51:41 GMT -6
We hand them out on paper and on a cd that is animated and they push play and it flows through the play. We also have a clip of each play from game film attached.
We too number them and count them like equipment.
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Post by superpower on Feb 1, 2008 13:06:01 GMT -6
We don't have any playbooks in our program. I haven't used one for about six or seven years. We get enough reps in practice that our kids know the plays on offense and the alignments and assignments on defense. It hasn't been a problem at all.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 1, 2008 13:19:21 GMT -6
First couple of years we printed copies and figured out that 50+ percent of them got trashed immediately, so we switched over to chalk talk, so the kids have at least seen it once, and the ones who care enough to keep a copy of it are the ones that would have studied the printed ones anyway...
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 1, 2008 13:27:43 GMT -6
I won't give them to everyone. Definitly the QB's and to certain players that will definitly get use out of it. I am more in favor of chalk talk.
I've also though about giving out hand outs as we put the plays in and the players can put them in a folder or binder.
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Post by bigcroz on Feb 1, 2008 13:53:48 GMT -6
I hand out playbooks and chalk talk the install portion during camp. If I can get a kid to see it multiple times we are all that much further ahead. Also during chalk talk show cut ups of the plays we are discussing that day.
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Post by cc on Feb 1, 2008 13:56:13 GMT -6
I give players a copy of the playbook and a binder for $5. This way they have invested in it and if they lose it they just lost $5.
Our main way to get it out is by email. I will email it to them if they give me their email then they can print it.
We do a lot of chalktalk with powerpoint projections the playbooks are made from. The projection has color but the printed is black and white.
Keep in mind we are very low budget and volunteers so that's the most we can do. I wish I could make an animated CD with the plays cut in. WOW!
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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 1, 2008 14:00:42 GMT -6
In the past, I would give each QB a full playbook. A folder with the clips works wonders(10 cents at staples etc.) . then they rest of the players would get folders...This last year, I gave the starting linemen all the plays. As new players showed up and asked for one I would say see the QB or OL...
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Post by tye2021 on Feb 1, 2008 19:38:55 GMT -6
chalk talk. players take notes
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Post by clloyd on Feb 1, 2008 21:08:50 GMT -6
We give playbooks to the players and they are numbered. But the plays are left blank. We discuss our system and how we call plays but when we go over the plays the players have to fill in the blank sheets.
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Post by morris on Feb 1, 2008 21:16:36 GMT -6
we have not used a playbook ever. this year with a change in system we are going to give them to a few of the players to look over. I do not expect them to know it inside and out but to cut down on the learning curve during install
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Post by CVBears on Feb 1, 2008 21:19:32 GMT -6
In the beginning, it is chalk with the players taking notes/making their own. Core runs, passes and base coverage on Def. That's it. Everything else we put in, it is "memorize"
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 2, 2008 10:14:21 GMT -6
Playbooks. if you help one assistant or one player "get it" then its worth it.
Also chalk talk and many walk thrus.
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Post by jhanawa on Feb 2, 2008 11:17:37 GMT -6
Animated Powerpoint, used to do playbooks and it was a waste of paper, they never got looked at. With todays kids, they are on the computer so a disk has a better chance...lol
Also use training film cutups and chalktalks. One thing I like to do in chalktalks is to show stuff, then revisit it later in the meeting, making each kid come up and draw something we've discussed. They seem to pay attention better when they know that they will have to show it and explain it in front of the team.
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Post by Mav on Feb 2, 2008 13:44:05 GMT -6
We teach our offensive system over several months during the off-season. We use a segmented, building block approach using PPT videos and simple paper quizzes. It's important each segment is small enough to be easily digested. All of these are in a private area on our team website.
1) Formations
2) Motioning
3) Shifts
4) Running plays - several, split by series. Backs and linemen get separate quizzes against different fronts
5) Passing plays - several, split by quicks, 5 step, screens, blitz pickup, etc
It really helps us hit the ground running whne camp opens up.
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Post by phantom on Feb 2, 2008 13:55:15 GMT -6
Our playbooks are written mainly for the coaches so that we can be sure that we're on the same page. We do run off copies to the kids but do not issue them to everyone. If a kid asks for one we give it to him. Now, after a while if a guy doesn't know his plays we're going to want to know why he hasn't asked for a playbook.
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Post by ram7gm on Feb 5, 2008 8:51:00 GMT -6
Everytime I've seen a team (whether as a coach or a player) actually hand out playbooks in August, over half of them are left on the floor or trashed within a week.
One school I was at gave out weekly packets of the game plan, with numbers, and they had to be returned to the pre-game team meeting every week... OR YOU DIDN'T PLAY. It was almost like a homework assignment, because parts had to be filled out as the week went on. Pretty good impetus to study!
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 5, 2008 10:47:56 GMT -6
I used to provide playbooks, but like most have said, 50% of them were left laying around after day 1, so I decided that they learn everything on the field. I don't even draw it up for them on the board, rep it out and let muscle memory do its thing. Now if I have a kid thats just needs to see it cause he's a visual learner, then I'll print him up the plays, but thats about it.
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Post by ram7gm on Feb 5, 2008 10:54:47 GMT -6
I've done that same thing... print or draw it up for a kid who asks, only to find he is even more confused!
On the other hand, in this day and age I'm sure a lot of kids might benefit from seeing it written down on paper from all of their Madden experience. Say what you want about this generation wasting away in front of the playstation, but Madden undoubtedly helps their football IQ, IMO.
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Post by gacoach on Feb 5, 2008 11:10:00 GMT -6
In our system, we could only draw up the blocking because of the amount of formations we could run just 1 play out of. So no, no playbooks.
In the past I was with a program that did give them out and we ended up finding them in lockerroom, parking lot, classrooms, so we stopped.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 5, 2008 21:34:22 GMT -6
Playbooks. if you help one assistant or one player "get it" then its worth it. Also chalk talk and many walk thrus. Coachcalande, This is the first thing I can remember disagreeing with you on. Your quote is only true if the time and effort spent creating, updating, passing out, and going over the playbooks, plus the money spent on them couldn't have been used in a better way. Sorry, the generic line that if it only helps or saves one child just rubs me the wrong way because it is not true economically! OK, I am officially off my soapbox. The other 99% stuff you say I am in agreement. |
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Post by coachnichols on Feb 6, 2008 7:54:52 GMT -6
Maybe I just missed it, but I sure expected someone to say something about being worried about the it (playbook) geting in the hands of the "enemy". Our district has a ton of movement among players and 1 or 2 dirty coaches who would love to see what someone who actually knows how to develop an offense/defense does. Just a thought. Like I said, figured it would have come up. I don't know how much good having someone's playbook would do, but there's a whole lot of perceived espionage in our game.
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 6, 2008 8:50:33 GMT -6
nichols I agree with you, but if you stop to think about it that wouldn't be that big of a deal in many cases.
In our case, we have run the I and do not no huddle. I'm pretty sure all our opponents know we are running power, blast, counter, trap, and toss. And I'm pretty sure they know what they need to do to stop this.
On the other hand, if you are spread no huddle and the other team can catch your terminology I could see how you are in trouble
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 6, 2008 9:09:16 GMT -6
Maybe I just missed it, but I sure expected someone to say something about being worried about the it (playbook) geting in the hands of the "enemy". Our district has a ton of movement among players and 1 or 2 dirty coaches who would love to see what someone who actually knows how to develop an offense/defense does. Just a thought. Like I said, figured it would have come up. I don't know how much good having someone's playbook would do, but there's a whole lot of perceived espionage in our game. Dont know if this is true, but one of our coaches this year said when he was coaching in Florida they would give their play book to the other team because they felt they are that well prepared that the other team could not stop them. Anyone ever do this? heard of this? or believe this? |
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Post by coachjd on Feb 6, 2008 9:29:59 GMT -6
We put our playbook on PowerPoint and made it more interactive and colorful. It seems that the kids are a lot more interested in sitting in front of their computer going through the playbook than reading a printed copy. We had the best pre-season test scores last fall than we have had in a long time. I think it was easier for the kids to follow along.
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