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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2013 11:10:03 GMT -6
I ask this question because someone brought up the point in another thread that they didn't like a school when they interviewed there because of their locker room and stadium facilities and it made me ask this question- Why do so many of us care what the auxiliary facilities look like?
I mean, I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I don't really give a crap if our fans even have a place to sit. And as long as our players have a locker that shuts to put their equipment in, I also don't really care what the locker room looks like. Currently our school is trying to build new stands and our super keeps telling me about it like I should be thrilled. I don't care. I'd rather have a new weight room or something that will actually effect the on field product. I'd rather have $1,000 to put into grass for the field or our practice field than I would they put $250,000 into the stands.
Maybe I'm just weird, but why do so many coaches care about that stuff? Is it because they feel it is some sort of show of dedication by the school to football or is for narcissism on their part? I don't get it.
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Post by fantom on Jan 12, 2013 11:26:33 GMT -6
It gives you an idea of how important football is to them and how much support you can expect.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 12, 2013 11:35:05 GMT -6
It gives you an idea of how important football is to them and how much support you can expect. This shows that the community made a commitment to great facilities by voting to have tax dollars allocated to them, or they gave financial donations, or they donated materials and/or services. Regardless, like fantom said, facilities demonstrate how important football is to the school and the community. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2013 12:04:45 GMT -6
It gives you an idea of how important football is to them and how much support you can expect. This shows that the community made a commitment to great facilities by voting to have tax dollars allocated to them, or they gave financial donations, or they donated materials and/or services. Regardless, like fantom said, facilities demonstrate how important football is to the school and the community. So, if you are a community without money and have "subpar" facilities, that means you don't care about football? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2013 12:08:13 GMT -6
It gives you an idea of how important football is to them and how much support you can expect. How does that show support? Because they can buy you things? That doesn't mean that when push comes to shove with parents/fans that they'll support you one bit. To me it's a show/go situation. The stands and concessions stands and all that crap is for show. I'd rather they support the go side of it- weight room, equipment for kids, actually back me when someone comes after me. I don't think things like a new scoreboard mean anything about support for a program, but like I originally said, maybe I'm just weird. Maybe it's because I came from a program that spent a lot of money on the go side of it- flashy scoreboard, nice speakers, big press box, etc but didn't support the coach or the kids or really anything that would make the program successful one iota. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 12, 2013 12:17:29 GMT -6
To me it's a show/go situation. The stands and concessions stands and all that crap is for show. I'd rather they support the go side of it- weight room, equipment for kids, actually back me when someone comes after me. This is just a matter of them deciding to allocated funds toward the cosmetic rather than the competitive aspect of the program. The head coach needs to get them to understand that there are more important items that can be purchased that will allow the program to be more competitive. But I'm not surprised that bleachers/stands etc. are taken care of because people can see them. That's what administration will think of when it comes time to improve facilities...cosmetics or "show" as you put it. I'm with you. Get them to buy in to the facilities that will improve competitiveness or "go." |
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Post by fantom on Jan 12, 2013 12:19:17 GMT -6
It gives you an idea of how important football is to them and how much support you can expect. How does that show support? Because they can buy you things? That doesn't mean that when push comes to shove with parents/fans that they'll support you one bit. To me it's a show/go situation. The stands and concessions stands and all that crap is for show. I'd rather they support the go side of it- weight room, equipment for kids, actually back me when someone comes after me. I don't think things like a new scoreboard mean anything about support for a program, but like I originally said, maybe I'm just weird. Maybe it's because I came from a program that spent a lot of money on the go side of it- flashy scoreboard, nice speakers, big press box, etc but didn't support the coach or the kids or really anything that would make the program successful one iota. I said it gives you an IDEA. Didn't say that it says it all. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 12, 2013 12:20:02 GMT -6
Maybe it's because I came from a program that spent a lot of money on the go side of it- flashy scoreboard, nice speakers, big press box, etc but didn't support the coach or the kids or really anything that would make the program successful one iota. Did you mean they supported the "show" of the program? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2013 13:04:28 GMT -6
How does that show support? Because they can buy you things? That doesn't mean that when push comes to shove with parents/fans that they'll support you one bit. To me it's a show/go situation. The stands and concessions stands and all that crap is for show. I'd rather they support the go side of it- weight room, equipment for kids, actually back me when someone comes after me. I don't think things like a new scoreboard mean anything about support for a program, but like I originally said, maybe I'm just weird. Maybe it's because I came from a program that spent a lot of money on the go side of it- flashy scoreboard, nice speakers, big press box, etc but didn't support the coach or the kids or really anything that would make the program successful one iota. I said it gives you an IDEA. Didn't say that it says it all. Fair enough. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2013 13:05:03 GMT -6
Maybe it's because I came from a program that spent a lot of money on the go side of it- flashy scoreboard, nice speakers, big press box, etc but didn't support the coach or the kids or really anything that would make the program successful one iota. Did you mean they supported the "show" of the program? Yes. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 12, 2013 14:15:10 GMT -6
Did you mean they supported the "show" of the program? Yes. That's what I figured. Just checking. |
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Post by dubber on Jan 12, 2013 17:25:03 GMT -6
I'm like you...........I'd play in practice jersey's
But, my header is showing me the actual COMPETITIVE advantage the "show" stuff can give you.
We were one of the first teams in the state with Under Armor jerseys.........we have the sweetest practice packs (UA hoodies, sweatpants).........we have UA socks...............we raised enough money to get an alternate uniform..............we have a blow up tunnel our kids come out of.............on and on and on............
And, the program has gone from low 30's to high 40's in terms of participation. That nets us about 3-4 more varisty caliber players. We also won our first sectioal title in almost 2 decades.
Turn this into a positive.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 12, 2013 19:39:21 GMT -6
I'm like you...........I'd play in practice jersey's But, my header is showing me the actual COMPETITIVE advantage the "show" stuff can give you. We were one of the first teams in the state with Under Armor jerseys.........we have the sweetest practice packs (UA hoodies, sweatpants).........we have UA socks...............we raised enough money to get an alternate uniform..............we have a blow up tunnel our kids come out of.............on and on and on............ And, the program has gone from low 30's to high 40's in terms of participation. That nets us about 3-4 more varisty caliber players. We also won our first sectioal title in almost 2 decades. Turn this into a positive. Kids love the "show" that's for sure. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 12, 2013 20:10:32 GMT -6
Kids definitely do, heck sometimes I do.
Facilities give an outside appearance that it matters to the district, even if it is just for show they have put in the money and it is something you can use. It also may lead to more money or donor contacts so that you can build the other things you want/need.
If you are just looking at two jobs and you give it a comparison, the auxilaries are definitely something to consider.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 1:01:41 GMT -6
This all goes back to the "10 considerations for a new job" thread.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2013 9:54:39 GMT -6
This all goes back to the "10 considerations for a new job" thread. Actually, I got the idea while reading the weird interview story thread. Where the guy says he interviewed at a place and they had horrible facilities, but improved a couple years after and he was saying he made a bad decision in which job to take. It seemed like the facilities factor played a much bigger role in what job he wanted than I would think it should so I thought I'd ask the question. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2013 10:03:46 GMT -6
This all goes back to the "10 considerations for a new job" thread. Actually, I got the idea while reading the weird interview story thread. Where the guy says he interviewed at a place and they had horrible facilities, but improved a couple years after and he was saying he made a bad decision in which job to take. It seemed like the facilities factor played a much bigger role in what job he wanted than I would think it should so I thought I'd ask the question. He wasn't just talking about the stadium, though. He was talking about the field and weight room. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2013 10:08:33 GMT -6
He wasn't just talking about the stadium, though. He was talking about the field and weight room. I guess I was thinking stadium because this was the second to last sentence in his post- two years later opened a new campus with a new stadium complex and locker room facilities. Besides, you can fix a field pretty easily yourself. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 10:17:46 GMT -6
Besides, you can fix a field pretty easily yourself. Huh? Really? And actually make it a surface other schools would envy? Or just have a field to play on? Because these are two entirely different situations to be in. I have had my team on one surface before that I was jealous of the field itself. I asked the A.D. how they got the grass to be so nice. His answer..."we had crew from Michigan State grow and lay the sod for our stadium." In no way do I believe I could do what was necessary for the field to be extraordinary in order for the "show" factor to be in full effect. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2013 10:46:56 GMT -6
Besides, you can fix a field pretty easily yourself. Huh? Really? And actually make it a surface other schools would envy? Or just have a field to play on? Because these are two entirely different situations to be in. I have had my team on one surface before that I was jealous of the field itself. I asked the A.D. how they got the grass to be so nice. His answer..."we had crew from Michigan State grow and lay the sod for our stadium." In no way do I believe I could do what was necessary for the field to be extraordinary in order for the "show" factor to be in full effect. If you're willing to do the research and put in the work, playing surfaces aren't the hardest things to fix. Growing grass isn't rocket science. It's been happening for thousands of years. I'm not talking about Sun Life Stadium turf, but it's not that hard to get a very high quality field in order. IMO of course. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 10:48:49 GMT -6
Are you the head coach? Would you honestly have time for this amongst all the other responsibilities you have as the leader of the program?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 13, 2013 11:32:49 GMT -6
This is kind of funny, because when I was playing we took a certain perverse pleasure in having ratty old crap. The only nice thing we had was the best field in the county, which we were vey proud of. Then coaching at The Zoo they preferred a poorly lain, bubbling up, soggyass turf field that they had to share with a dozen other teams to a nice grass field because they needed that "show" factor.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 11:51:27 GMT -6
Then coaching at The Zoo they preferred a poorly lain, bubbling up, soggyass turf field that they had to share with a dozen other teams to a nice grass field because they needed that "show" factor. $hit $how!  |
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 13, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -6
I mean, I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I don't really give a crap if our fans even have a place to sit. Not to sound like Dr. Phil, but I will quote him here..."it ain't about you!". It seems to me that as coaches we sometimes forget that what we are doing isn't for us, it is for a community,a school and a bunch of kids who work hard (hopefully) to be successful and have a great experience with a sport. I agree with putting the money into something that effects the product on the field first, and like someone said that is your responsibility, if it doesn't happen you are to blame for not being able to convey to the powers to be what YOU think is most important. But you also need to recognize the "cosmetics or show" of it also. Do you think students would be more inclined to play football if they see great team gear, a nice stadium or complex, awesome weight room and on and on, or do you think they are going to want to play in a sh!thole of a stadium, wearing apparel that looks like it came from a second hand store and a weight room that should be condemned. It is about selling a program to your students (potential players), a community (your financial backers for everything) and also it shows opponents you are serious about what you do. I am sure everybody on this site can recite some story about how they are great without any of the niceties, or a team in there league that destroys and yet looks like the sisters of the poor, but if you can improve the "show" part of things, it sure makes it an easier sell to get people on board with what you are trying to accomplish. Just my opinion. |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 13, 2013 14:22:51 GMT -6
 I would take one of these please. Gonna guess this could help your program out. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 16:14:04 GMT -6
I would take one of these please. Gonna guess this could help your program out. I'm going to go take a cold shower...LOL! But seriously, that's ridiculous. |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 13, 2013 16:37:51 GMT -6
and yet, no State Champions!
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Post by davishfc on Jan 13, 2013 19:26:49 GMT -6
If it was possible to pursue a state championship with that facility, I would definitely take my chances.
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Post by msalazar51 on Jan 13, 2013 20:45:51 GMT -6
I would take one of these please. Gonna guess this could help your program out. Are you kidding? What does Canton get? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 14, 2013 8:12:52 GMT -6
Are you the head coach? Would you honestly have time for this amongst all the other responsibilities you have as the leader of the program? Yep. I'm the HC. Got myself a part time job over the summer mowing the district's grass and working on the field. Did it for free my first year here. |
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