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Post by carookie on Jan 8, 2013 12:34:01 GMT -6
In fact, I am not ashamed to tell you that I have never coached football (coached softball for 11 years), I have never played football. Not to call negative attention to your situation specifically. But I wonder if this situation is true of more users on this forum than what we think? Just what is the experience levels of coaches on here? Don't get me wrong I know some having asked over time? Did you ever play football? Have you ever coached football? And, if so, at what levels? These seem to be questions that I believe should be more readily answered so that coaches know who they are speaking with. Otherwise, credibility is difficult to establish. Not to Hijack the thread, but thats the exact reason I was writing earlier that I don't like the idea of posting names. Shouldn't we be able to discern the worth of a comment without someone touting their credentials and attaching them to their statement? I mean if someone has a good idea, but he's spent most of his career as a frosh position coach are his thoughts less valid than someone who has led big time HS programs to success? Let the content of the idea speak for itself; I've always been a firm believer of content over credential. Ive been a part of too many boards/discussions/etc where people just through their "rank" around as a trump card; and I think you will hurt the quality and limit the input of a board if you require such information to be available.
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Post by coachbb on Jan 8, 2013 14:41:50 GMT -6
I'm just thankful that we have a football coaching board where every topic isn't like this:
"ne1 have a facemelter playbuk?"
"I do!"
"coach send me that blah blah blah" x 50
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 8, 2013 14:52:51 GMT -6
I'm just thankful that we have a football coaching board where every topic isn't like this: "ne1 have a facemelter playbuk?" "I do!" "coach send me that blah blah blah" x 50 I agree, which is why I find the general info section to be most useful. I like the exchange of ideas regarding program management, fundraising, handling staff issues, etc.. I do enjoy the exchange of x and o ideas in context of the forum. It took me a while to realize that this forum isn't for people to share play books, but is at its best when the course of a thread leads to true conversation as to how something has worked in a particular case. That being said, I have had posts pulled because I came across as a fan or whatever. I think that's ok. If I use the forum to report gossip, my post should be removed. In fact I am probably most guilty of overusing the general info section when a thread is better served in another location, which again, should be corrected.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 8, 2013 19:24:00 GMT -6
Shouldn't we be able to discern the worth of a comment without someone touting their credentials and attaching them to their statement? You don't believe in legitimizing statements in any way? Just make whatever claim you want and see how far it goes? That's classic internet forum, everything I hope this board never becomes. Which is why I know there are several coaches on here that pay attention to the posts made by some more than others. Does it have anything to do with number of posts? He11 no!!! It's about communicating with the coaches enough to know who understands their stuff and who doesn't. Those coaches become part of a respected group that you listen too. I mean if someone has a good idea, but he's spent most of his career as a frosh position coach are his thoughts less valid than someone who has led big time HS programs to success? Let the content of the idea speak for itself; I've always been a firm believer of content over credential. Sometimes it's more about best practices than ideas. Everyone has ideas. Only those who have experience can tell you which ideas were good enough to become practices and that's what many coaches want to know. What's worked? Anybody who has experience as a head coach understands you don't have all the time in today's world to see if things will come around. By that point you're past the honeymoon phase and some people will already want you gone if things aren't working out. You need to know what's worked. Some coaches have been around the block enough to know what does and some are still discovering what those best practices are and they want to find them out. What better resource to seek out than the veterans of the profession.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 8, 2013 19:35:29 GMT -6
There is a certain logical fallacy in taking the argument from authority as having any inherent superiority, but there's also something to be said for the wisdom of experience. Experienced coaches can be just as wrong as n00bs, they are simply less likely to be so wrong.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 8, 2013 19:45:13 GMT -6
but there's also something to be said for the wisdom of experience. Experienced coaches can be just as wrong as n00bs, they are simply less likely to be so wrong. Yes. Thanks for phrasing it another way.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 9, 2013 15:15:35 GMT -6
There is a certain logical fallacy in taking the argument from authority as having any inherent superiority, but there's also something to be said for the wisdom of experience. Experienced coaches can be just as wrong as n00bs, they are simply less likely to be so wrong. Coach I had when i was younger told me once...20 years of experience could be 1 year of experience repeated 20 times. I'll never forget that comment. I have 12 years of coaching experience...but I know I could learn something from someone who has 1 year of experience, and I'd hope someone with 20-30 years of experience doesn't think they know everything.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 9, 2013 20:42:11 GMT -6
Coach I had when i was younger told me once...20 years of experience could be 1 year of experience repeated 20 times. An assistant coach who was on my staff for two years at my previous school made a similar comment. In conversations I had with him, he talked about another head coach he had worked with at another school. He described that 12 year head coach as someone who had coached "once...12 times." That certainly resonated with me. Obviously these individuals would be the exception to the rule with regard to quality experience. He was appreciative of me being receptive to his ideas and for constantly trying to find better ways of doing things. He always wanted understand the rationale for adopted practices and I would explain to him. Apparently this was something that was not embraced by the head coach he described.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 9, 2013 22:35:57 GMT -6
I think there is a big difference between communicating enough with the coaches to know who knows their stuff, and attaching your name and win-loss record in your signature so everybody knows how well your stuff works.
I don't know coachd5085's name or where he coached. I know generically that he at some point coached at the 1AA level. I also know from reading his content, this is a guy who knows what he's talking about, and whether I agree with what he posts or not, I know it is worth reading and considering. I had decided that fantom knew what he was talking about and his posts were must-read material long before I knew the school he coached at and the success they had. I also can infer from some of the posts of guys like Duece and Brophy that they've at times been in situations that didn't have a great W-L record, but the quality of the content they post is good enough that they don't need to throw a W-L record on it for it to be seen as good stuff.
I've been a part of a board before where a lot of posts turned into "well NFL Team X did it this way when they were winning superbowls with Coach Y so that's the way it is." That forum sucked. This is a forum where I feel the content speaks for itself and I hope that doesn't change.
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Post by tog on Jan 9, 2013 23:30:40 GMT -6
Not to call negative attention to your situation specifically. But I wonder if this situation is true of more users on this forum than what we think? Just what is the experience levels of coaches on here? Don't get me wrong I know some having asked over time? Did you ever play football? Have you ever coached football? And, if so, at what levels? These seem to be questions that I believe should be more readily answered so that coaches know who they are speaking with. Otherwise, credibility is difficult to establish. Not to Hijack the thread, but thats the exact reason I was writing earlier that I don't like the idea of posting names. Shouldn't we be able to discern the worth of a comment without someone touting their credentials and attaching them to their statement? I mean if someone has a good idea, but he's spent most of his career as a frosh position coach are his thoughts less valid than someone who has led big time HS programs to success? Let the content of the idea speak for itself; I've always been a firm believer of content over credential. Ive been a part of too many boards/discussions/etc where people just through their "rank" around as a trump card; and I think you will hurt the quality and limit the input of a board if you require such information to be available. one of the reasons this board was founded and one of our core principles if the idea is sound, that is validation enough
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Post by davishfc on Jan 10, 2013 7:42:38 GMT -6
Not to Hijack the thread, but thats the exact reason I was writing earlier that I don't like the idea of posting names. Shouldn't we be able to discern the worth of a comment without someone touting their credentials and attaching them to their statement? I mean if someone has a good idea, but he's spent most of his career as a frosh position coach are his thoughts less valid than someone who has led big time HS programs to success? Let the content of the idea speak for itself; I've always been a firm believer of content over credential. Ive been a part of too many boards/discussions/etc where people just through their "rank" around as a trump card; and I think you will hurt the quality and limit the input of a board if you require such information to be available. one of the reasons this board was founded and one of our core principles if the idea is sound, that is validation enough And if the ideas are consistently unsound, that coach (or whoever the person is) needs to understand that the likelihood of their words falling on deaf ears is much higher. If a coach has years of experience as opposed to an experience over many years, they will make more sound and validated statements on this board because they put them into practice. The coaches that are upset by this statement are generally the inexperienced ones. They can get experience, they just need to coach and put their ideas into consistent practice to see what is successful and what is not.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 10, 2013 7:55:29 GMT -6
I'm just thankful that we have a football coaching board where every topic isn't like this: "ne1 have a facemelter playbuk?" "I do!" "coach send me that blah blah blah" x 50 Oh this definitely happens. Not real often but it does happen. Thankfully the moderators do a great job of taking care of it. They usually direct them to PM the coach they are making the request to.
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Post by brandirblsports on Jan 10, 2013 9:35:38 GMT -6
Hi, as my UserName states, I'm Brandi from RBLSportsnet I think the Forum is great. When I joined, I pointed out in my Intro, I'm not a Coach. I write about Football. I think we in Media do a huge disservice to the Games & the Fans by having so little perspective...particularly the Coaches' perspective. This Forum doesn't digress like a Fans' Forum. But obviously there are things other than pure X's & O's that Coaches must deal with to do their jobs well. I think there's a pretty good mix here, without drifting to far astray. It's helped me and I'm grateful for that. The volume of activity would seem to indicate it's helpful for those of you who have to put a Team out on the Field. For what little it's worth, I think it's a terrific Forum. Thanks.
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