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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 5, 2013 10:01:56 GMT -6
I am hoping to have a civilized discussion about OUR board..Yea, I know its Huey's board but IMO its us coaches (and w/ help from the mods) that makes it great.
Politics: So we all get that national politics are a no go but what about local in town politics that affect our program..should we be able to talk about that? I am saying yes but then doesn't national politic affect local politics?
Rumors: I guess we all know that rumors are unacceptable but I see threads talking about the Kelly's...Brian Kelly gets talked about in a positive way, those threads stay...Chip Kelly gets talked about in a "mixed " way..those threads and others get deleted..so is it OK to have a negative view of a person on this board.
Names: I find it interesting that guys don't post their real name or even were you are from?..Why don't you? Ok I am not going to publish my picture like John Knight LOL
Thoughts?
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Post by fantom on Jan 5, 2013 10:31:17 GMT -6
I am hoping to have a civilized discussion about OUR board..Yea, I know its Huey's board but IMO its us coaches (and w/ help from the mods) that makes it great. Politics: So we all get that national politics are a no go but what about local in town politics that affect our program..should we be able to talk about that? I am saying yes but then doesn't national politic affect local politics? Rumors: I guess we all know that rumors are unacceptable but I see threads talking about the Kelly's...Brian Kelly gets talked about in a positive way, those threads stay...Chip Kelly gets talked about in a "mixed " way..those threads and others get deleted..so is it OK to have a negative view of a person on this board. Names: I find it interesting that guys don't post their real name or even were you are from?..Why don't you? Ok I am not going to publish my picture like John Knight LOL Thoughts? I'll have a go at some of these: Names: I go by a screen name out of habit, Like several other members of this board I've been involved in coaching sites for a long time and when they started out that's just how it was done, AOL-style. Politics: Seen too many coaching boards go to hell when they deteriorated into conservative/liberal, red state/blue state stuff. I know that Huey, Tog, and the other mods have no interest in having that happen here. In fact that's one reason that there is a "here". Rumors: Yeah, it can be inconsistent, what's deleted and what's not. Generally, if it's negative, it goes. If there's something there that may be a useful topic of discussion, it stays. Having been a mod, I can tell you that they try to balance between keeping the board the way that they want it to be and not being too tyrannical. There's a Moderator's Board not visible to the general membership. Usually, before drastic action (deleting or locking) is taken, there's a discussion there. Usually, is a thread has any merit, before drastic action mods will try to steer a thread back on course either through nudging messages in the thread or PMs. OK, I'm tired of typing now.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 5, 2013 10:39:36 GMT -6
Thats interesting about the moderators board...I did not know that
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Post by blb on Jan 5, 2013 10:44:43 GMT -6
Names: I go by a screen name out of habit, Like several other members of this board I've been involved in coaching sites for a long time and when they started out that's just how it was done, AOL-style. I use my initials because that's how I sign most everything, too lazy to write-type out full name. It's just quicker. Some people on here who care know who I am. And I'm not against posting "real names." I will say however on one board a guy found who I was and got very nasty and very personal because we didn't see eye to eye. It was unpleasant.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 10:45:58 GMT -6
A unified front among the moderators of the forum? Must be made up of coaches ;D
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 5, 2013 10:47:52 GMT -6
let me see if i'm following you...
1) you have somewhat of a problem about how this site - free forum that has survived for 7 and a half years - is being moderated 2) you want to talk about things not related to "the x's & o's of football"
bottom line is this: I have to think globally - what will keep this site on its path of meeting the goal of being about x's & o's. I have to make decisions that are in the best interest of this mission of my site. Sometimes, that means a thread has to go. Why? Because experience tells me that it will not be productive or it will lead to other, similar threads that won't be productive. So, tough decisions have to be made. Liken it to the head coach saying "this is how we're going to run my program" and he sets the plan.
Do all like threads get deleted? no. Why? because there aren't enough moderators to read everything. Because, well, we're not trying to be pricks and delete stuff. Some threads stay because something good may come from it - but others have to go because, well, we can't read about EVERY feel good story out there ... this is an x's & o's site.
I could go on, but it isn't necessary. Not to be rude, but I run the site the way I see fit. Moderators have instructions and they do a great job, imo, of filtering what needs to be filtered and so on. I'm not going to explain the what's in, what's out ... but in a nutshell, if it's x's & o's then you can bet it's good. if it's "who do you think they will hire" it's gone. and, like i said, bottom line ... if we don't think it belongs, we get rid of it. Sorry that offends you.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 5, 2013 10:51:20 GMT -6
Also, and I don't know if this even addresses your topic, but I have had a topic locked/deleted when I first joined. I was sent a PM by a mod telling me why and it was greatly appreciated so that I had a bit of a clearer view as to why.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 11:14:58 GMT -6
Politics: So we all get that national politics are a no go but what about local in town politics that affect our program..should we be able to talk about that? I am saying yes but then doesn't national politic affect local politics? I know there have been threads about the politics of school districts and how that pertains to coaching. Those threads, in my opinion, are valuable information for coaches. As for the core of politics, conservative/liberal, leave that $hit at the door as far as I'm concerned. I come to Huey to get away from that garbage. Rumors: I guess we all know that rumors are unacceptable but I see threads talking about the Kelly's...Brian Kelly gets talked about in a positive way, those threads stay...Chip Kelly gets talked about in a "mixed " way..those threads and others get deleted..so is it OK to have a negative view of a person on this board. I'm certain there was a difference between the two threads started about each of the Kelly's. The one about Chip Kelly is was I would characterize as rumor driven, "gasoline on the fire" type stuff. I was actually surprised to see that from some coaches on this board. Clearly nothing productive was going to come from the thread out of the first few that chimed in. The thread on Brian Kelly, I distinctly recall being about a his background with a "citation" from an article posted online. There were numerous "meaningful" encounters that significant people in his life at the time communicated about. It was not anecdotal evidence from a single "short lived" personal encounter that anybody had with that person. So that's the difference for me. Names: I find it interesting that guys don't post their real name or even were you are from?..Why don't you? My last name is Davis and the "hfc" stands for "head football coach" or "head f-ing coach." Depends on the day and if I've upset anybody. I'm from Michigan and that's been listed from the time I first got on the forum. There are people on here that know who I am through PMs.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 5, 2013 11:22:47 GMT -6
Well I will have a go. First I love having a real football site again. In the past there was one in Texas but it became overran with parents, and people wanting to talk other things. If I want all the other stuff I will go to one of these other boards. I could careless who knows my name, most people know it I have used same screen name for years and have no issue with people knowing it. Posted it several times.
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 5, 2013 11:47:55 GMT -6
This is my board. reelsportreplay.proboards.com/index.cgiI'm in Northern CA. My board has been around longer than Huey's (had a different host starting in 2001. The power of Huey's board is evident. The things about my board that is different.... 1. Notice the amount of members. Low 100. Why? I delete people often. I'm the only moderator...and don't have time to deal with crap...so I just delete people. 2. Most of the coaches (including heavy hitting Sacramento-area coaches) play each other...and aren't ones to be giving out secrets. 3. I used to have Huey's format using positions etc. and talking specifics...but as stated in #2 people weren't really giving up stuff because the board is so localized. 4. We talk about anything. Rumors, etc. Most lurkers don't jump in because they know they are dealing with football coaches. If I lurked on a doctor's website...I wouldn't jump in either...cuz I don't know what are best practices...as an example. 5. Hidden boards. I have 3 hidden boards on my site. The first one is specifically for FOOTBALL TALK (I'll get into why they are hidden in a second). The second one is called "Black Ops". This one is for the coaches on the board to open up more about certain situations at their school. The third one is called "Wussification" in which all talk about things the dumb down society or weaken society or sports. Example being the doctor in Connecticut saying football should be banned...things like that. Why are they hidden? 2 reasons. 1. You must have posted 125 posts to see the hidden boards. That means you are contributing and I can tell "what you're about". 2. The lurkers get good information from these coaches on the regular boards. I have told the regular guys...if they want a more personal experience post in the hidden section. Also, I had a guy take some of my posts and copy and paste them as his own on another board. I'm more careful in the public area...and more direct in the private area. Again, you can see the number of people that have joined my board...I'm no threat to Huey...and that is not the point of my posting my link. If you want to come over there and see what we are doing...fine....be a "guest" or join. Happy Message Boarding.
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Post by fatboy04 on Jan 5, 2013 11:48:26 GMT -6
Just want to say how much I appreciate y'all providing this site, and how it is administered. Keep up the good work.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -6
I have to think globally - what will keep this site on its path of meeting the goal of being about x's & o's. I see the General Board as an exception because great discussions about program organization, practice organization, game day organization, etc. big picture type issues are discussed there. I honestly feel like that's a lot of the head coaching related topics that get grouped in there. Obviously they don't pertain directly to the x's and o's but they do impact them and, consequently, the success and failure of programs. The OCs, DCs, STCs, position group coaches, S & C coaches, youth coaches, technology coordinators, and career seekers all have specific sections. While there are obviously many coaches that wear many hats and have interest in several of those areas, there are just some topics that do not belong in those sections. That, to me, is what the General Board is for. Of course, the infusion of some different topics is good but I've got to believe it was never intended to bash other coaches.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 5, 2013 12:27:52 GMT -6
let me see if i'm following you... 1) you have somewhat of a problem about how this site - free forum that has survived for 7 and a half years - is being moderated 2) you want to talk about things not related to "the x's & o's of football" bottom line is this: I have to think globally - what will keep this site on its path of meeting the goal of being about x's & o's. I have to make decisions that are in the best interest of this mission of my site. Sometimes, that means a thread has to go. Why? Because experience tells me that it will not be productive or it will lead to other, similar threads that won't be productive. So, tough decisions have to be made. Liken it to the head coach saying "this is how we're going to run my program" and he sets the plan. Do all like threads get deleted? no. Why? because there aren't enough moderators to read everything. Because, well, we're not trying to be pricks and delete stuff. Some threads stay because something good may come from it - but others have to go because, well, we can't read about EVERY feel good story out there ... this is an x's & o's site. I could go on, but it isn't necessary. Not to be rude, but I run the site the way I see fit. Moderators have instructions and they do a great job, imo, of filtering what needs to be filtered and so on. I'm not going to explain the what's in, what's out ... but in a nutshell, if it's x's & o's then you can bet it's good. if it's "who do you think they will hire" it's gone. and, like i said, bottom line ... if we don't think it belongs, we get rid of it. Sorry that offends you. Huey I am not so sure I have a "somewhat of a problem" after all I have over 3000 posts and have actually "contributed" cash out of my pocket which is more than many have done. I am just trying to get a sense of how people feel and why sometimes things get deleted.We have many threads on here that aren't strictly Xand O..I guess I am just trying to get a sense of what qualifies as an X and O topic... Bootom line: I was an asst for many years..you are the HC of the board as you said...you don't like something hey thats it..I get it..but as an "asst" so to speak, I would just like to ask why so things get deleted and others don't. I think its a fair question from a "loyal" asst
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Post by carookie on Jan 5, 2013 12:35:45 GMT -6
Im kinda glad people don't put names on here (and maybe thats because my name carries no cache to begin with). But if people started attaching names to ideas then it would be more about the poster's credentials and less about the content.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 5, 2013 13:27:39 GMT -6
Im kinda glad people don't put names on here (and maybe thats because my name carries no cache to begin with). But if people started attaching names to ideas then it would be more about the poster's credentials and less about the content. Thats a good point but i need to say I usually attach weight to what a poster is saying by his nickname..so if fantom, bigM, duece or someone like that has made a post I will probably read the thread even if I wasn't initially interested
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Post by wingtol on Jan 5, 2013 13:38:34 GMT -6
I give guys credit for using their real names on here, but I will never do that. This is a great board and I check it several times a day. Many great coaches and not only that nut great men. BUT it's still the internet and you never know who you are dealing with. It's sad to say but these days I would rather be safe than sorry with people knowing who I am. Don't want someone I pi$$ off, or some weirdo, or some nut job being able to track me down. Maybe I am paranoid. Maybe I just don't trust everyone like I use to. Just the way I feel.
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Post by brophy on Jan 5, 2013 13:39:01 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Jan 5, 2013 14:54:16 GMT -6
My youngest brother just came through his first season coaching, and he asked me how to become a better coach.........
I sent him a link to this board.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 15:49:56 GMT -6
A thread about a thread? I'm bringing it back ;D
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 15:50:46 GMT -6
My youngest brother just came through his first season coaching, and he asked me how to become a better coach......... I sent him a link to this board. Sound advice to a coach just getting started.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jan 5, 2013 16:00:16 GMT -6
Try to get on the site a few times a day the depth and varition of topics about football at a depth a true coach of football can simply not find on other sites has had me hooked from day 1.
As far as posting my real name is concerned I don't do it for the simple fact I'm not a hc. It's a great benifit in my mind t be Abel to sound ideas about scheme tech and game planning ideas with out saying hey at x school we are doing this. So as a assistant not wanting to be dis loyal or giving out to much info its a great place to gain more info and share if I can.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2013 16:48:21 GMT -6
So as a assistant not wanting to be dis loyal or giving out to much info its a great place to gain more info and share if I can. As a head coach, I can appreciate this rationale.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 5, 2013 21:58:09 GMT -6
I decided that when I joined that I would try not to post stupid stuff nor act/behave in a way that I would be ashamed to use my name. Plus when I talk ball, I talk ball. There is very little that I feel like I need to keep in my pocket. If y'all ever have a question for me just fire away. Sometimes I might be a bit brusk, but that is just me.
My first name is Jeff.
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Post by coachbuck on Jan 6, 2013 6:26:53 GMT -6
I love this site. I check it all the time. I will check certain subjects and read as far back as this site began. Another thing I like to do (stalkerish) I will click on a member and read all the stuff that person posts. DQSA for example, is one I read alot of just because he has so much useful information. I think if its religion or politics its out. I dint mind talking religion but it always turns out bad. Politics, I'm with davishfc, I come to this board to get away from that crap. This board is by far the best football site I have been to.
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Post by rlhair on Jan 6, 2013 15:23:28 GMT -6
I love this board and I love the way it is run. I know some people have a problem with the name thing, I don't. In fact, I am not ashamed to tell you that I have never coached football (coached softball for 11 years), I have never played football. All I want to do is learn and discuss the X and O's. I learn from this board and I appreciate all who have taken the time to answer my questions and help me along. My name is Rich Hair. I'm from York, PA and if anyone in York is looking for a coach, I'd be interested.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 7, 2013 8:26:16 GMT -6
Best board on the web for football...I've had a few posts locked or deleted in the last seven years and in hindsight, never had an issue with it.
What I've done is go to PMs with a few coaches I've grown closer to to chat about the NFL, rumors on coaching changes, who is better Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady etc.
But in all these years, I've never had Huey or a moderator be rude to me or do something that I strongly disagreed with.
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Post by casec11 on Jan 7, 2013 8:48:21 GMT -6
So as a assistant not wanting to be dis loyal or giving out to much info its a great place to gain more info and share if I can. As a head coach, I can appreciate this rationale. to add to this... If names had to be put there would defiantly less X & O posts ect... for this very reason then the board would be locked to outsiders and no new contributors would show up..... (flexbone ass. site)
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Post by coachdubyah on Jan 7, 2013 12:06:44 GMT -6
I love this site. I check it all the time. I will check certain subjects and read as far back as this site began. Another thing I like to do (stalkerish) I will click on a member and read all the stuff that person posts. DQSA for example, is one I read alot of just because he has so much useful information. I think if its religion or politics its out. I dint mind talking religion but it always turns out bad. Politics, I'm with davishfc, I come to this board to get away from that crap. This board is by far the best football site I have been to. Personally, I am a fan of Lochness.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jan 8, 2013 9:28:00 GMT -6
Politics/Rumors/Deleted Threads: If you've ever tried to run a forum (I'm on my 3rd attempt), you know that it sucks. Hard to get people posting, and once it gets going you have to moderate. Even once most forums get started, they tend to degenerate over time to garbage. Whatever Huey has done to keep this one the way it is for so long, I'm in support of. When young coaches ask me where to go, I send them here before I'd even send them to my own stuff.
Names: By nature of what I do, my name and school are out there. But my name on here is the screen name I started using when I was about 12 years old on bulletin boards. If I used something else i wouldn't be able to remember my login. For that same reason, when I started a board it automatically makes your real name the screen name, but coaches have the option to change it because for numerous reasons, they're just more comfortable.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 8, 2013 12:23:58 GMT -6
In fact, I am not ashamed to tell you that I have never coached football (coached softball for 11 years), I have never played football. Not to call negative attention to your situation specifically. But I wonder if this situation is true of more users on this forum than what we think? Just what is the experience levels of coaches on here? Don't get me wrong I know some having asked over time? Did you ever play football? Have you ever coached football? And, if so, at what levels? These seem to be questions that I believe should be more readily answered so that coaches know who they are speaking with. Otherwise, credibility is difficult to establish.
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