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Post by coachb23 on Dec 23, 2012 18:46:16 GMT -6
Can anyone share their rules of player conduct that they use? I'm looking to put together a code of conduct and list of rules for players to follow and have them sign like a "player contract" as an agreement of being a part of our team.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 23, 2012 18:56:59 GMT -6
I always believed in the one rule philosophy.
1. Don't embarrass the Program, yourself or your family.
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Post by coachb23 on Dec 23, 2012 19:03:31 GMT -6
I like that coach but was looking for something a little less open-ended. Here's what I had come up with so far. Y'all's feedback for changes are greatly appreciated.
- Facial hair is not allowed; players are to be clean-shaven at all times.
- Hair must be kept off the eyebrows, and be no longer than the collar of the shirt on a standard button-up dress shirt.
- Players are expected to represent themselves, the football program, & the school community with dignity and class. For all behavior not explicitly covered in this contract, the head coach’s discretion determines which behaviors are inappropriate and what disciplinary action to take.
- If a player is disciplined in school (visit to disciplinarian, detention, etc), that player will be required to do extra conditioning following practice, or other disciplinary action as deemed by the head coach.
- If a player is suspended from school, that player will not be allowed to participate in practice during the time suspended, and will not be allowed to participate in the next scheduled game, jamboree, or scrimmage.
- Any player arrested or convicted with the legal system will be automatically dismissed from the team.
- Players are expected to follow all team rules & regulations; failure to do so will result in disciplinary action as deemed appropriate by the head coach.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 23, 2012 19:41:20 GMT -6
Hair rules are stupid.
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Post by fantom on Dec 23, 2012 19:43:08 GMT -6
Never got the point of them either. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 23, 2012 19:46:34 GMT -6
It's coming one way or the other so I guess I will start it.
Why the rules on facial hair and regular hair? How does that represent the program or person?
Are you in a numbers situation where you can sacrifice people strictly due to your preference on physical appearance?
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 23, 2012 19:49:30 GMT -6
One of the best one I have seen written comes out of grand saline isd. Search it, I think he did a great job on it.
In the hair just use the school policy
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Post by coachb23 on Dec 23, 2012 20:21:26 GMT -6
The hair thing is the school policy. Thanks for the feedback
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Post by coachbw on Dec 23, 2012 20:27:29 GMT -6
Out of curiousity . . . is this a private school?
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Post by realdawg on Dec 23, 2012 20:56:24 GMT -6
If its a school policy why put it in? Obviously, it would have to be followed for them to be eligible for any school function.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 23, 2012 21:25:52 GMT -6
I like that coach but was looking for something a little less open-ended. Here's what I had come up with so far. Y'all's feedback for changes are greatly appreciated. - Facial hair is not allowed; players are to be clean-shaven at all times. - Hair must be kept off the eyebrows, and be no longer than the collar of the shirt on a standard button-up dress shirt. - Players are expected to represent themselves, the football program, & the school community with dignity and class. For all behavior not explicitly covered in this contract, the head coach’s discretion determines which behaviors are inappropriate and what disciplinary action to take. - If a player is disciplined in school (visit to disciplinarian, detention, etc), that player will be required to do extra conditioning following practice, or other disciplinary action as deemed by the head coach. - If a player is suspended from school, that player will not be allowed to participate in practice during the time suspended, and will not be allowed to participate in the next scheduled game, jamboree, or scrimmage. - Any player arrested or convicted with the legal system will be automatically dismissed from the team. - Players are expected to follow all team rules & regulations; failure to do so will result in disciplinary action as deemed appropriate by the head coach. Isn't suspension from school sort of obviously a suspension from football? |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 23, 2012 21:27:35 GMT -6
If it is his program then it is his business
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2012 8:04:48 GMT -6
Every school I've coached at has an "Athletic Conduct Code" book or some such.
We have additional rules governing practice, locker room, training room, etc. specific to Football.
Most have to do with attendance-punctuality, effort.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 24, 2012 8:30:25 GMT -6
Every school I've coached at has an "Athletic Conduct Code" book or some such. We have additional rules governing practice, locker room, training room, etc. specific to Football. Most have to do with attendance-punctuality, effort. Like blb said, many of the major infractions will be covered in the Athletic Handbook. That's leaves the gaps that exist up to you which usually entails practice, meeting, locker room, weight room, etc. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 24, 2012 8:58:04 GMT -6
I like that coach but was looking for something a little less open-ended. Here's what I had come up with so far. Y'all's feedback for changes are greatly appreciated. - Facial hair is not allowed; players are to be clean-shaven at all times. - Hair must be kept off the eyebrows, and be no longer than the collar of the shirt on a standard button-up dress shirt. - Players are expected to represent themselves, the football program, & the school community with dignity and class. For all behavior not explicitly covered in this contract, the head coach’s discretion determines which behaviors are inappropriate and what disciplinary action to take. - If a player is disciplined in school (visit to disciplinarian, detention, etc), that player will be required to do extra conditioning following practice, or other disciplinary action as deemed by the head coach. - If a player is suspended from school, that player will not be allowed to participate in practice during the time suspended, and will not be allowed to participate in the next scheduled game, jamboree, or scrimmage. - Any player arrested or convicted with the legal system will be automatically dismissed from the team. - Players are expected to follow all team rules & regulations; failure to do so will result in disciplinary action as deemed appropriate by the head coach. Out of curiosity- Do you make guys wear dress shirts and ties for away games? Never understood that one myself. |
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Post by John Knight on Dec 24, 2012 9:07:10 GMT -6
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Post by davishfc on Dec 24, 2012 9:11:08 GMT -6
I like that coach but was looking for something a little less open-ended. Here's what I had come up with so far. Y'all's feedback for changes are greatly appreciated. - Facial hair is not allowed; players are to be clean-shaven at all times. - Hair must be kept off the eyebrows, and be no longer than the collar of the shirt on a standard button-up dress shirt. - Players are expected to represent themselves, the football program, & the school community with dignity and class. For all behavior not explicitly covered in this contract, the head coach’s discretion determines which behaviors are inappropriate and what disciplinary action to take. - If a player is disciplined in school (visit to disciplinarian, detention, etc), that player will be required to do extra conditioning following practice, or other disciplinary action as deemed by the head coach. - If a player is suspended from school, that player will not be allowed to participate in practice during the time suspended, and will not be allowed to participate in the next scheduled game, jamboree, or scrimmage. - Any player arrested or convicted with the legal system will be automatically dismissed from the team. - Players are expected to follow all team rules & regulations; failure to do so will result in disciplinary action as deemed appropriate by the head coach. Out of curiosity- Do you make guys wear dress shirts and ties for away games? Never understood that one myself. I've never done that. I can see why some coaches would want to do it if the team was traveling for an away game. Players look presentable especially if a stop is made along the way. I say this about dressing up, but we never did it. I just didn't think it was a huge deal at the previous place I was at for 5 years. We had some long distances to travel and it was more about player comfort for me than it was about dressing to the nines. This year with my new program, the schools are so close that we travel to the game with our lowers on. So that type of routine sort of eliminates the rationale for dressing up on the way to the game. |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 24, 2012 9:16:38 GMT -6
I will say, he did only ask coaches to "share their rules of player conduct that they use?" He didn't ask for opinions on the ones he had listed. Sometimes a misconception on forums in my opinion. A post does not necessarily constitute an opinion. The thread might be asking concrete information and he is actually. What rules do you have? That's the question. It's not...what do you think of my rules? Just saying. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 24, 2012 9:19:31 GMT -6
I've never done that. I can see why some coaches would want to do it if the team was traveling for an away game. Players look presentable especially if a stop is made along the way. I say this about dressing up, but we never did it. I just didn't think it was a huge deal at the previous place I was at for 5 years. We had some long distances to travel and it was more about player comfort for me than it was about dressing to the nines. This year with my new program, the schools are so close that we travel to the game with our lowers on. So that type of routine sort of eliminates the rationale for dressing up on the way to the game. I understand the concept of why people do it, I just don't get it. For basketball? Maybe. You usually walk in to a gym full of the public and there's a chance to represent your school and community with class. Football? We're there usually an hour and a half before game time. When we get off the bus there's usually only one guy there to unlock the locker room for us. From there, kids usually get taped and get their lowers on for us to take the field an hour and ten before the game. I don't think that what that one guy thinks of us will impact our standing to the schools we play. Besides, what you do on the field/court will speak more about you, your program and your community than whatever silly clothes you wear to the game. |
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2012 9:23:14 GMT -6
I like that coach but was looking for something a little less open-ended. Here's what I had come up with so far. Y'all's feedback for changes are greatly appreciated. If we're talking about the OP, he did in fact ask for "feedback" (see above). |
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Post by otterbox on Dec 24, 2012 9:48:36 GMT -6
My suggestion is find rules that if followed will make your boys better people. Enforce those rules. Rules are great but you MUST ENFORCE. If you have TOO many rules you will spend most of your time enforcing them. I like the idea of having 3-4 rules and be done. Keep them consistent and be fair....should have no problems, I have yet to have any problems.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 24, 2012 10:40:23 GMT -6
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 24, 2012 10:59:46 GMT -6
It's not that he asked it was the way the reply was given. When you say it is covered by school hand book then you open yourself up to parents interpretation. For example he is suspended but it ends Friday and game is Saturday. Or with facial hair does that include all times or only school. The easiest answer is it applies all the time, but you must write that in. How things are said greatly effect how people see then. The way the poster said it is the issue.
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Post by jsk002 on Dec 24, 2012 11:26:03 GMT -6
I have found that the less rules the better. You don't want to spend all your time enforcing and policing.
1. Be where we ask you to be when we ask you to be
2. 100 % effort 100 % of the time
3. Do the right thing
That's it and it covers most of everything. There is an athletic code of conduct and a school conduct policy but I don't write or enforce those. Rarely is it an issue.
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2012 11:36:28 GMT -6
Expectations and attitudes are better than rules.
But you have to have the things you won't compromise on spelled out.
Enforcement of district Athletic Handbook rests with administration - or should.
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 24, 2012 11:36:32 GMT -6
You do not enforce the rules in the athletic code or school code?
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2012 11:50:35 GMT -6
You do not enforce the rules in the athletic code or school code? You miss the point. If an athlete is caught drinking, smoking, is ineligible, etc. - it is out of our hands. It is school board policy. The athletic director is the building representative charged with ensuring that the handbook is followed or consequences meted out. It's his JOB to enforce the athletic code (principal's job to enforce the "school code"). We can't impose the penalties spelled out, ignore them, or make them harsher. We assist the administration in carrying them out. Division of responsibilities, dude. My phrase "or should" is reference to some administrators that will cave to parental or other pressure, look the other way, etc. when violations arise. |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 24, 2012 12:57:26 GMT -6
Difference of opinion here. The enforcement of the athletic code rest with all coaches in my opinion. Just as the enforcement of school code rest with all teachers and coaches. Before our athletes go to second period all coaches have a list of athletes that they check for dress code, etc.
As for the drinking etc, the punishment is set down in our code. MIP=this punishment (set in code). In school building they get nothing, that is because one activity is a privilege the other is a must (school).
I think we might be saying the same thing but I may be missing your point.
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2012 13:02:16 GMT -6
If you find out a player was drinking at a weekend party, you report him to AD, and AD says we're going to let him off this time - what do you do?
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 24, 2012 13:20:38 GMT -6
Well in my years of coaching that has never happened. No ad I know will risk their job, plus here 90% of all ads are head football.
The key is what proof is there? Word of mouth is not proof, photos etc, then it is cut and dry.
As for what would I do if it happened, well I would ask him how we will handle the next one, and how you deal with one standard for one and another for player x. If an ad is going to risk his 80,000 job for this he will hang himself in the end anyway.
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