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Post by brophy on Apr 8, 2008 10:10:15 GMT -6
Not a "is it important" thread, but rather supporting that anything worth doing is worth doing the BEST (lets assume "best" is execution).
Is there any thought for practicing FOR 7-on-7 tournaments?
Like practicing scripting scenarios and personnel groupings for the most efficient play selection and maximum performance?
For instance, going into a 7-on-7 game next Tuesday, you script out the first 10 plays and what you're looking for on each play (maybe only rep 3 concepts total, but in succession)? Then using that same script throughout the 7-on-7 matchups?
With the end result, being pretty darn competent on what you be looking for (timing, read, worst-case) with your 2 best pass concepts by the end of the summer.
How to be more EFFICIENT in 7-on-7, and how that efficiency plays into camp installation and regular season timeline.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2008 10:17:56 GMT -6
Not a "is it important" thread, but rather supporting that anything worth doing is worth doing the BEST (lets assume "best" is execution). Is there any thought for practicing FOR 7-on-7 tournaments? Like practicing scripting scenarios and personnel groupings for the most efficient play selection and maximum performance? For instance, going into a 7-on-7 game next Tuesday, you script out the first 10 plays and what you're looking for on each play (maybe only rep 3 concepts total, but in succession)? Then using that same script throughout the 7-on-7 matchups? With the end result, being pretty darn competent on what you be looking for (timing, read, worst-case) with your 2 best pass concepts by the end of the summer. How to be more EFFICIENT in 7-on-7, and how that efficiency plays into camp installation and regular season timeline. I think this depends on what you think "BEST" is. Is being competent on your 2 best pass concepts "best" when the season comes? Probably. Is it "best" when it comes to winning 7-on-7 tournaments? Not likely. |
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 8, 2008 10:33:53 GMT -6
I know that there are 2 different views on 7-on-7 tournaments...
1) Many coaches hate them, because they face teams that run the wishbone or wingT during the season, but you face them in 7-on-7 and they have a shotgun, 5 wide, vertical passing game. Same on defense... the most common defense we see during 7-on-7 tournaments is 2-man since the QB cannot run in all the ones we go to. Know how many times we've faced that during the season in my lifetime... ZERO!
2) Other coaches however, use the 7-on-7 as a tool for the younger kids to learn the routes, get the kids to compete, and get some efficiency at running THEIR offense & defense.
We do the second one... We do not play 2-man in 7-on-7 because we don't run it during the season. We play mostly cover2, cover3, and cover4 since those are the 3 coverages we use 90% of the time during the season. Every once in a while, we will play cover 1 and double a WR if he's really good (which we do during the season as well), but we try to get TONS of experience on pattern-reads in our zones, and lots of reps at moving to the ball once it's in the air.
You will probably WIN more 7-on-7 tournaments using method #1, but we feel that the BEST thing is to prepare us for the season...
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Post by catz1 on Apr 8, 2008 10:55:45 GMT -6
Just wondering...
Do Wishbone / Power I / etc... teams try to run their offenses in 7-on-7 passing leagues? Do you expect them to? I doubt their play-action game will be all that effective.
I think for these teams, 7-on-7 is an opportunity to work on footwork, routes, etc...
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Post by brophy on Apr 8, 2008 11:42:07 GMT -6
Not a "is it important" thread, but rather supporting that anything worth doing is worth doing the BEST (lets assume "best" is execution). I've been on both sides (spread, two-back IZ, & wing-t offenses) in 7-on-7 and gone the play-action-is-the-passing-game route (with limited success).  My question isn't whether beating the team you're playing as the be-all-end-all, but the execution (drops, routes, stems, throw, ball-placement, catches, etc) as the "win". Setting up that "win" by practicing specific concepts, in specific areas of the field (much like a real game), and that everyone is on the same page as far as WHAT you will actually run in each play series. We may not all face Cover 2 man during a season (but will face a ton of it in 7-on-7), but if everyone is on the same page with what will be run, (play #1 is____, play #2 is___, play #3 is ____ / play inside the 20 is ____ / etc). So, by the end of it all, you will have a rhythm and approach ingrained into the kids that goes beyond just the read and the routes, but also the rationale ("okay, on 3rd and 7, we're going to.......") behind the plays and in those situations you have truncated what could actually take place (getting into the R4 method stuff...)  Again, "winning" each competition will be contingent on the ever-varying rules and scoring-methods we'll face each Summer. Part of this might require an examination of the passing concepts employed, and/or examining if the 7-on-7 time might be better served to work on your drop-back game specifically (?). |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 8, 2008 13:28:02 GMT -6
Just wondering...
Do Wishbone / Power I / etc... teams try to run their offenses in 7-on-7 passing leagues? Do you expect them to? I doubt their play-action game will be all that effective.
We've done and still do 7 on 7 and run our stuff (3 back 2 TE). I want our guys to learn our stuff; I'm not worried about winning. It helps us on D.
One thing we do in 7 on 7 is run through our 2 minute offense a lot (our 4 play version of a spread, no huddle).
That is probably the most realistic scenario for us.
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Post by spartancoach on Apr 8, 2008 13:41:23 GMT -6
We are a spread gun team, so the stuff we run in 7 on 7, we run in the game. We approach 7 on 7 like a game. We go into each 7 on 7 with about 2 each - man beaters and cover 2, 3 and 4 beaters, and call it like we would in a game. 7 on 7 is a great opportunity for the QB to start working on his pre-snap reads and audibles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2008 13:48:23 GMT -6
Almost all of the Wing T/fullhouse backfield teams I know of approach 7 on 7 the way Senator described. Most use it to get better on defense.
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 8, 2008 22:10:22 GMT -6
When I was running the Wing T, we took it to the Stanford and San Jose St tourneys and ran waggle, power, belly pass, our 3 step game and did rather well. But I like a few have mentioned think of 7 on as a way to get my D better.
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