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Post by Yash on Dec 23, 2012 22:45:23 GMT -6
I just don't understand what there is to practice. Does you're QB need to be properly instructed how to bend his knee and touch the ground? He shouldn't need practice taking a snap, you do that a few thousand times a year. Do you prepare for every possible situation ever? I literally, in 20 years again, have never been in a game situation on any level where I've ever needed to take an intentional safety, let alone snap one through the goal posts. In fact, I've never heard of anyone doing that. How long are your practices? we do it on thursday ... line up in victory, make sure everyone knows what their job would be ... i.e. "you upbacks, if the snap is fumbled, your job is to fall on it so your eyes are alerting for ball on the ground" etc.... "you deep guy, if by chance we fumble it & they get it, run the guy down & tackle him so don't come running up here if there's a scrum".. that takes about a minute the first time. then, we end practice every thursday with 'victory'. not a big deal. if you don't, that is fine. we also practice taking a safety - if you don't, that is fine. we also practice defending a hail mary from midfield. we also practice throwing a hail mary from midfield. if you don't, that is fine. While I haven't been in this as long as many on here, what I do know is that kids aren't in general football smart. Therefore I practice simple situations to ensure we do the right thing in those moments in a game. First time I ever told my team to take a knee was when I was coaching JV Football in Alaska. Told my QB to take a knee. After ball was snapped ENTIRE offense went down to a knee. I looked very foolish. Therefore I will practice it. Also, with any Greg Schiano wanna-be's out there I want my guys protecting my QB and themselves in case someone is going to try and jump the snap. In terms of taking a safety, 2009 we were playing a team MUCH better than us. We found ourselves up 19-6 late in the game on our own 5 yard line. We had an all conference kicker and average punter. Options were, Punt, give them GREAT field position and risk a block, or take a safety give up 2 points and put them backed up to start their drive. We took the safety. Luckily we had a timeout to explain it to our kids. I told myself I would practice this from now on. Don't have to practice it every week, but our kids need to be able to say "oh yeah I remember coaching saying something about that" What I don't want is to lose a game because the other team put our kids in a situation that we never did as a coaching staff.
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Post by SetHut on Dec 25, 2012 22:46:06 GMT -6
The reason you practice, "take a knee" is so your QB knows to get up and immediately backpeddle to get out of harm's way. If he is uncoached and goes down on a knee and just waits there he risks getting injured by an aggressive defender. . .e.g., Tampa Bay vs NYG. It may take 30 seconds to install and a few seconds to rep on TH.
Also, you need to practice the "kill the clock" play. If you don't and you are a spread team, when you yell to your QB to "kill the clock" he may do it from the gun. In high school, the QB must be under center to spike the ball. . .and it must be done immediately after getting the snap from center.
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Post by coachtag on Dec 26, 2012 14:07:15 GMT -6
We practice taking a knee, taking a safety, and intentional false starts every Thursday during our walk through....and by practice I mean we run each play once on air. Of course, Victory is the very last play we run at the end. It's "the greatest play in football" and it's kind of tradition to run it before our HC gives his talk.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 26, 2012 14:17:12 GMT -6
All this attention on the intential false start... I remember reading the rule book about a decade ago and realizing the potential for exploitation. I am surprised they have never changed the rule. Would be interested in seeing the rationale behind allowing a team's "mistake" to be advantageous to them.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 26, 2012 18:06:57 GMT -6
There is a case book play and rule that does handle this play and it should be caught by a good crew.
ART. 6 . . . When a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the referee shall order the clock started or stopped
3.4.6 SITUATION D: With no time-outs remaining and fourth down with 40 seconds to go in the third period, K is preparing to punt into a strong wind. With 20 seconds remaining, K1 commits a false start. RULING: Penalize K 5 yards and start the clock with the snap. Under normal circumstances, the clock would start with the ready-for-play signal, but this would permit the period to end and K could then punt with the wind. K will not be permitted to gain this advantage by committing a foul to consume time.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 26, 2012 19:55:26 GMT -6
Which means you'd probably only get away with it once, but it's worth a try in some situations, if you're ok with that sort of moral equivocation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 26, 2012 22:39:35 GMT -6
Which means you'd probably only get away with it once, but it's worth a try in some situations, if you're ok with that sort of moral equivocation. Which is why I think it should be IN THE RULES to prevent. No interpretation needed. Just like intentional grounding... they have a yardage penalty AND loss of down so that the offense doesn't gain any advantage from breaking a rule.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 26, 2012 22:46:15 GMT -6
There is no rule that is more open to interpretation than intentional grounding.
e. A pass intentionally thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time. EXCEPTION: It is legal to conserve time by intentionally throwing the ball forward to the ground immediately after receiving a direct hand-to-hand snap.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 26, 2012 22:51:39 GMT -6
There is no rule that is more open to interpretation than intentional grounding. e. A pass intentionally thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time. EXCEPTION: It is legal to conserve time by intentionally throwing the ball forward to the ground immediately after receiving a direct hand-to-hand snap. True...I used the wrong word I suppose. My point was that ONCE an official determines the offense broke the rule regarding intentional grounding, they do not get the benefit of a repeat of the down. It is built into the penalty phase. I just think that something similar could be in play in the situation that would result in a false start on purpose.
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