msalazar51
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 15, 2012 17:01:07 GMT -6
Do you have your team take a knee when play stops for a player injury? If so, why? Why not? I have heard out of respect? How does taking a knee demonstrate respect? Why not use the time to talk to your own players if possible? I understand if it is a resting thing, I also understand if the injury is severe and some want to pray, but other than that, why. Can someone explain this?
I am just curious because I have dealt with parents that find it reprehensible that I don't make my players to take a knee. Particularly if the other team takes a knee.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 15, 2012 17:27:43 GMT -6
No, we use it as a free time out. If the guy is actually seriously hurt we'll maybe keep things a little hushed but if it's just a booboo we'll quietly take the opportunity to talk to the team.
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Post by joboo59 on Dec 15, 2012 17:41:56 GMT -6
No. It is a time out for us unless it is obviously a serious injury when we get everyone off the field a quiet. If guys want to take a knee they can at that point, no big deal to us.
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msalazar51
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 15, 2012 18:05:03 GMT -6
We use it exactly that way too! IT IS A FREE TIME OUT! I have had unbelievable parents SCREAMING from the stands "TAKE A KNEE COACH!" Especially when the other team takes a knee. Like Clement, if it looks a little bit serious we will keep it toned down. Does anyone else feel strongly that we should take a knee? I'd love to hear why.
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Post by coachjm on Dec 16, 2012 6:28:41 GMT -6
The root of taking a knee for injury stems to youth soccer where at the lowest of ages kids frequently get boo boo's and to help control the environment they have all the other children take a knee so they are not running around standing over the hurt child ect. Very appropriate and functional.... For HS football if a child has a serious injury that is going to take a while taking a knee only causes the other athletes to tighten up and create an atmosphere they potentially could get hurt. If it is something minor obviously taking a knee is not appropriate either. I have also had parents go pretty nuts when we don't take it due to social norms. I now explain to the parents in our spring parent meeting that we will not do this and the reasons why the above explanation is enough for most. We do encourage all the boys to clap for the injured child regardless of the seriousness of the injury as this is a traditional form of showing respect for an injured player.
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msalazar51
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 16, 2012 7:49:36 GMT -6
The root of taking a knee for injury stems to youth soccer where at the lowest of ages kids frequently get boo boo's and to help control the environment they have all the other children take a knee so they are not running around standing over the hurt child ect. Very appropriate and functional.... For HS football if a child has a serious injury that is going to take a while taking a knee only causes the other athletes to tighten up and create an atmosphere they potentially could get hurt. If it is something minor obviously taking a knee is not appropriate either. I have also had parents go pretty nuts when we don't take it due to social norms. I now explain to the parents in our spring parent meeting that we will not do this and the reasons why the above explanation is enough for most. We do encourage all the boys to clap for the injured child regardless of the seriousness of the injury as this is a traditional form of showing respect for an injured player. Coachjm thanks for the "light" that is exactly what I planned on doing in the spring, however, the history lesson will add to the info and makes sense. Somehow I knew it would all get back to the Communist regime of AYSO! My players and parents will now be informed of this, thanks! |
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 16, 2012 11:13:27 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of taking knees during injuries. I don't want their muscles to tighten up for one, but I also think that it's one of those situations where a forced gesture doesn't mean as much as a genuine one. If you want to show respect for an injured player and take a knee on your own, fine. But if the only reason you're doing it is because other people are doing it and other people are saying to do it, then it's hollow.
I'm not super militant about it, kids are going to do what they're going to do, I tell them I don't want them taking knees and they decide from there. I have a coaching friend who ignited a giant firestorm over taking a knee that lead to two knives being brandished, a concealed gun arrest, two assistants getting fired, an involuntary discipline transfer for their QB to another school, QB's brother leaving the team, and a more or less free win for us the next week. Not worth it by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by CS on Dec 16, 2012 11:31:00 GMT -6
Its illegal for coaches to talk to players during an injury in Arkansas
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 16, 2012 12:09:36 GMT -6
The root of taking a knee for injury stems to youth soccer where at the lowest of ages kids frequently get boo boo's and to help control the environment they have all the other children take a knee so they are not running around standing over the hurt child ect. Very appropriate and functional.... For HS football if a child has a serious injury that is going to take a while taking a knee only causes the other athletes to tighten up and create an atmosphere they potentially could get hurt. If it is something minor obviously taking a knee is not appropriate either. I have also had parents go pretty nuts when we don't take it due to social norms. I now explain to the parents in our spring parent meeting that we will not do this and the reasons why the above explanation is enough for most. We do encourage all the boys to clap for the injured child regardless of the seriousness of the injury as this is a traditional form of showing respect for an injured player. Good point about that, when I coached youth football you do whatever you have to in order to corral them during dead time. It's funny, you work so hard to practice as efficiently as possible and waste no time, then something happens in a game and you don't know how to handle 20 kids with nothing to do. It's almost tempting to set up a drill just to keep them occupied. |
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Post by mbianco on Dec 16, 2012 13:46:54 GMT -6
Why not best of both worlds, players take a knee in front of the coach while you coach'em up?
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Post by vandals14 on Dec 16, 2012 13:50:35 GMT -6
I think "taking a knee" started as a way for athletic trainers to easily locate the injured player. Having said that, I think taking a knee is kind of silly (at least after the player has been located and is being treated). At that point, I think it's fine for all other players to come to sideline if they want. I don't buy the sign of respect thing.
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 16, 2012 22:19:59 GMT -6
I FREAKING HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least twice a year I have a yelling match with a parent in our own stands because while johnny on the other team has a leg cramp, we are coaching up our kids, getting them water, and using it as a timeout. Some @$$hole in our stands always yells, "Show some respect coach!" or something stupid.
Feels like soccer when everyone acts like the world is gonna end for every little boo-boo that happens. Drives me bonkers
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Post by calkayne on Dec 17, 2012 5:24:06 GMT -6
My opinion is obviously contrarian to many here. I belive it is sad how the talk of raising good citizens suddenly turns to seizing a moment to gain an edge on our opponent.
Yeah its annyoing when a player goes down because he didnt eat a decent breakfast and is suffering from cramping calves. But I balance that out with the incidents where we see serious injuries. As well as the belief that all my players are ready to hurt themselves for their team, I respect that, if they happen to fall in the course of the game, then yes I will show some respect in a manner I see fit.
As far as the muscles tightening up and such, I dont buy that either. Do you have offense exercising on the sideline when the defense is on?
It snot about being a pu$$y, its about acknowledging someones sacrifice, however small we may fell that it is.
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msalazar51
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 17, 2012 7:34:42 GMT -6
How is taking a knee a sign of respect? If that is the case why aren't the coaches who are not tending to the injured taking a knee? Are they being disrespectful?
I get the whole youth sports thing that you keep the kids corralled, that makes sense. Respect for your opponent is working hard to defeat them, not forcing your team to take a knee when there is an injury. Don't misunderstand me, if a player(s) want to take a knee to pray or just rest, fine, but I won't make the entire team take a knee because a player is cramping up.
The same "fan" that is screaming from the stands for us to "show some respect" is also the same guy who is blogging, anonymously, about our scheme or about this kid should be at QB, and that kid shouldn't be at linebacker.
This is not AYSO, we shouldn't all act the same, you do what you do and we will do the same. If you want your players on a knee, no problem, I will not make mine do it too. There are several life lessons in this game one of which is when someone leaves or goes down the group will close ranks and press on. Making sure that a player(s) does not celebrate the injury of another is being respectful.
Some if these people that get all bent about this knee stuff are probably the same ones that get upset over another teams pregame work. Like when a team does something as a group pregame suddenly others get upset! You do what you want with your team and I will do what I need to with mine. Stay on your side of the field and I could care less.
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Post by calkayne on Dec 17, 2012 9:15:25 GMT -6
Do you have your team take a knee when play stops for a player injury? ... I have heard out of respect?... I also understand if the injury is severe... To answer your OP: Yes, out of respect. Same as when I hear a national anthem and stand to show respect, or take my hat off indoors as a sign of respect or remove my sunglasses when speaking to a stranger is a sign of respect. Now this is just my opinion, I am not naysaying anyone elses philosophy, my belief is that sometimes respect is given to someone else instead of taken from them. As to the understanding for severe injuries. How do you know if its severe, after a 5minute delay or after a 15minute delay. As for those that do not take a knee, again my opinion doesnt need to be anyone elses, but yes it is disrespectfull. I appreciated the sentiment when I went down and I know many others that didnt care. |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 17, 2012 9:21:17 GMT -6
Somehow I knew it would all get back to the Communist regime of AYSO! Why what's wrong with this? It worked for this country...right?   LOL! I'm typing from the floor where I fell. Communist regime of AYSO. Hilarious! ;D |
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Post by coachplaa on Dec 17, 2012 18:01:46 GMT -6
I've never required anything, but our players take a knee anyway. If the refs send our team to the sideline, we will talk to them on the side of the field, but they are taking a knee while we talk with them. It is a tradition in our community, and one that I think fighting out of principle doesn't give us any benefit.
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Post by tarp18 on Dec 17, 2012 18:16:43 GMT -6
I've never required anything, but our players take a knee anyway. If the refs send our team to the sideline, we will talk to them on the side of the field, but they are taking a knee while we talk with them. It is a tradition in our community, and one that I think fighting out of principle doesn't give us any benefit. I fall under this train of thought as well. Ye old "pick your battles" |
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Post by 56mesh on Dec 18, 2012 14:50:12 GMT -6
I've never required anything, but our players take a knee anyway. If the refs send our team to the sideline, we will talk to them on the side of the field, but they are taking a knee while we talk with them. It is a tradition in our community, and one that I think fighting out of principle doesn't give us any benefit. this is what we do... our kids take a knee, and we talk to them quietly while our hc goes out and checks on the kid... when the officials then move our kids past the numbers... they stay on a knee and we continue to coach them up... in the few situations where it was obviously bad... our kids will hold hands and pray, then come to the sidelines... |
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Post by John Knight on Dec 18, 2012 15:06:40 GMT -6
Peewee BullShiK if you ask me!
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Post by fantom on Dec 18, 2012 17:19:38 GMT -6
I've never required anything, but our players take a knee anyway. If the refs send our team to the sideline, we will talk to them on the side of the field, but they are taking a knee while we talk with them. It is a tradition in our community, and one that I think fighting out of principle doesn't give us any benefit. If it's a tradition there fine. For us if a player takes a knee fine. We're not telling them to do so, though. |
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 18, 2012 20:17:59 GMT -6
I have no problem with anyone else taking a knee, my issue is when it is expected (required) by some parents. That was the whole point of the original post.
There are several different opinions, all valid, I just don't want anyone's doctrine forced on me or my team.
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