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Post by mholst40 on Dec 3, 2012 11:07:21 GMT -6
I've heard others on this board say that the offense chooses the QB, one more and then the defense chooses the next 11.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 3, 2012 13:30:02 GMT -6
Most coaches I know who 2-platoon start with the QB and one other key position on offense. Then the next 11 go to the defense.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 3, 2012 13:59:38 GMT -6
I have one issue with "top 2" then "next 11" and that is some players are better suited physically or mentally for offense or defense.
While we all want mentally disciplined kids my DC would sooner take two sophs who will follow directions to a T and groom them into great players than take a stud who doesn't always follow directions on defense. His premise, and I agree, is that that stud will screw up at the wrong time if he is undisciplined or doesn't care as much about defense. So he would just assume "let" me keep him on offense if we were to two-platoon.
SO I think you take the kids who are the best fit for O or D and make it work. Certain kids fit the roll better, fit the scheme better etc.
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Post by hsrose on Dec 3, 2012 14:00:13 GMT -6
My goal is to build a program to the numbers where we can platoon. When I coached youth football we had to platoon, with the numbers being no more than 1 off. When we divided the team it was after a few days of combines and testing and basic skills installation. Then, the coaches would sit down and draft the players. Since we had to platoon the players, we platooned the coaches as well.
The offense got the 1st 3 picks, the defense got the next 6, and then it went back and forth, with the offense taking the last few players. Not always optimal, but it worked.
If I were to place a premium on defense, the defense gets the first 11 out of 14 picks. Offense, they'd get the 11 of 14. Balanced, just go back and forth.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 3, 2012 15:36:23 GMT -6
In the big school that I was an assistant at they have grades 9-10 learn O and D. They will also play O and D in every single game. If they start offense in the first half, they go to D in the second half and vice versa.
Then when they get to varsity they work on one side of the ball all the time unless they are a stud then they play both ways.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 3, 2012 17:13:30 GMT -6
In the big school that I was an assistant at they have grades 9-10 learn O and D. They will also play O and D in every single game. If they start offense in the first half, they go to D in the second half and vice versa. Then when they get to varsity they work on one side of the ball all the time unless they are a stud then they play both ways. If you have numbers that seems like a great plan, I really like it because you get 2 years to see where a player best fits instead of going off of pure speculation. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 3, 2012 18:13:54 GMT -6
Hades, I don't care who gets the first pick/choice/etc... All I want is 11 meen sum beeches who WANT to get to the football. That is all I need on my defense. The offense can take the rest.
The pickin should revolve around that. If one of those 11 is an offensive guy, then we have to figure out the logistics.
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Post by stone65 on Dec 4, 2012 9:03:30 GMT -6
We are a small school that two platoons. We try and put the best guys at the position that suits them best and where we have needs. We don't have a side that picks first
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Post by holmesbend on Dec 5, 2012 23:21:47 GMT -6
We are a small school that two platoons. We try and put the best guys at the position that suits them best and where we have needs. We don't have a side that picks first How many kids are on your team? |
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Post by joelee on Dec 6, 2012 7:13:56 GMT -6
We have 6 classes in Kentucky. State Champions in the top 4 classes all platoon. The smallest 2 who didn't try to platoon thier lines and play as many people as possible.
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Post by joelee on Dec 6, 2012 7:14:44 GMT -6
We have 6 classes in Kentucky. State Champions in the top 4 classes all platoon. The smallest 2 who didn't platoon will try to platoon their lines and play as many people as possible. |
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Post by coachpsl on Dec 6, 2012 10:10:19 GMT -6
Joelee, I'm in Ky as well. This was a noticable difference between teams I had seen all season (vast majority of our schedule played a minimum of 5-6 both ways). I feel like this is a key factor going forward, if you want to get to state or compete reguarly then this should be a part of the plan.
You agree?
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Post by hsrose on Dec 6, 2012 12:40:32 GMT -6
What would you guys consider to be the minimum number of players to run full two platoon, totally separate? I'd prefer to go with 44 as that would be two deep at each position, but I'm thinking that 35-36 would be about the minimum as to do this.
35-36 would allow for things like 7 OL, 4/5 WR, 1 QB, 5/4 RB's, and then 6/7 DL, 6 LB, 5 DB's, or some mix like that. I'm sure it would be hard to work that but it could be done. I took my JV team, 37 players this year, and did the full platoon thing. The 1's were pretty good on both sides, but the 2's were weak. But then, I have to think that since they would get a lot more O/D time and would not be sharing time, the 2's would get a lot more work and attention.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 6, 2012 13:34:50 GMT -6
What would you guys consider to be the minimum number of players to run full two platoon, totally separate? I'd prefer to go with 44 as that would be two deep at each position, but I'm thinking that 35-36 would be about the minimum as to do this. 35-36 would allow for things like 7 OL, 4/5 WR, 1 QB, 5/4 RB's, and then 6/7 DL, 6 LB, 5 DB's, or some mix like that. I'm sure it would be hard to work that but it could be done. I took my JV team, 37 players this year, and did the full platoon thing. The 1's were pretty good on both sides, but the 2's were weak. But then, I have to think that since they would get a lot more O/D time and would not be sharing time, the 2's would get a lot more work and attention. If you're talking about JV, I don't think you need that many, but it helps. I did this with my JV once upon a time. I actually made 2 teams out of the kids. I had about 17-18 on each group. Taught both groups O and D. I stacked the deck a bit with the athletes in one group, but to counterbalance it I put all my good OL in the other. Blue group practice O for half of practice then switched with the Gold group. We did the same come game time, One group started on Offense and the other on Defense; then we switched by quarters. |
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Post by holmesbend on Dec 6, 2012 20:56:09 GMT -6
We have 6 classes in Kentucky. State Champions in the top 4 classes all platoon. The smallest 2 who didn't try to platoon thier lines and play as many people as possible. It was almost 5 of the state champions, Caldwell County (2A runners up for you non Kentuckians) two-platooned, also. |
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Post by holmesbend on Dec 6, 2012 21:06:54 GMT -6
It's something we are looking at as well. We finished 6-6 this year in KY's class 3A, and had 9 (and, a 10th who played 75% of the snaps the last 3 games after he came back from injury) who never came off the field. EVER. Problem is, all 10 were seniors(the only ones we had), and next year, of our expected 45 (9-12) or so, 30-35 of them will be freshmen and sophomores. That's right, 10 seniors and juniors to be, returning (7 seniors and 3...count them...3 juniors, which could be only two due to one of the kids being military and potentially moving after Christmas).
Of those expected 45 (+/- 3 or so), only 4 of them will be what I'd consider our "studs" (I use that term lightly lol). 1 linemen and my 3 starting RB's (2 of which will be sophomores) . Outside of them, the other 8 I am thinking about platooning bc they are all about the same.
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