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Post by tog on Oct 16, 2006 12:04:24 GMT -6
that their kid sucks and that is why he doesn't play
list em off boys
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Post by blb on Oct 16, 2006 12:06:46 GMT -6
"You're kid's a coward."
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Post by brophy on Oct 16, 2006 12:08:53 GMT -6
Ma'am, your son is a sleeslack. We are waiting for the right time to release his awesome potential on unsuspecting opponents.
The bottom line, it all depends on how a kid grades out. If he cannot get assigments and 'grades' low in practices, scrimmages, and games - he don't play. I am in no position to deny a kid playing time...but if he can't 'get it' he can't get it....and we ain't gonna jeopardize everyone else's contribution playing favorites. If they have any problem with that, they are more than welcome to grade their son's film.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 16, 2006 12:20:54 GMT -6
we still look for opportunities to get our "program" guys in. those guys that show up everyday, do things the right way (character), and are all the things you want in young men (other than they are just not good at the game of football) ... we really want to throw these guy a bone whenever we can. it is hard to do, at times but we try to at least.
my favorite queston: "coach, what does my son need to do to be the qb?" simplest answer: "be better than the other qb" ... duh
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 16, 2006 12:31:34 GMT -6
I just say " your son had the same opportunity as every one else that we tested in those 8 tests. " and as a matter of fact, i just recently had this conversation with a dad who didnt think i was giving his son a fair shot at tailback...his son is FOURTH STRING tailback at the moment. he responded "my son will never be the type of player that tests well"...note, he didnt place in the top 11 in ANY OF THE TESTS.
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Post by airman on Oct 16, 2006 14:33:31 GMT -6
you actually talk to parents? we have a policy, a kid has to talk to the coach first before we will even consider a parent. kids need to learn how to fight their own battles. infact we have a caoch who if he gets a call on a kid before the kid talks to him, the kid does not play the next game.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 16, 2006 14:42:51 GMT -6
Your son has no interest in football. Why should I give him playing time?
Just used that one over the weekend. Mom said, "Isn't it your job to make him interested?"
at that point, I said if she wanted to file a complaint, please do and to restate this conversation.
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Post by coachf on Oct 16, 2006 16:33:08 GMT -6
I have met parents who complain that since their kid is at practice he should be playing too. I say to them that every kid shows up to school, does that mean they all get A's? It's hard to start somebody who just isn't performing at a level that other kids are. Just like it isn't fair to give a kid an A just because they show up to school.
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 16, 2006 17:43:17 GMT -6
Here is one simple key nthat some coaches forget make sure to take attendance every day!
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Post by wmcoached on Oct 16, 2006 18:06:10 GMT -6
GET OFF MY FIELD!!!!!
Coach Ed
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 16, 2006 19:15:47 GMT -6
I simply do not discuss playing time with parents.
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Post by davecisar on Oct 16, 2006 19:55:47 GMT -6
Our player and parent contract clearly explains that we do not negotiate playing time or positions with parents or players. We also have a mandatory parents meeting the first day of practice to bluntly state our goals, methods and expectations, We let everyone know that they are not negotiable and that they are welcome to leave after we have a short break before the first practice. Once had a mom tell us her son WAS going to wear his do rag ( a gang wanna bee no no here), we kindly asked her to take her son and leave, and please dont ever come back. she left in a huff. Its great to get rid of the troublemakers and drama queens right off the bat so we can teach. Didnt have the usual 2 week drama and time waster of having to deal with her later over some other imagined slight.
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Post by bigcroz on Oct 16, 2006 20:45:04 GMT -6
My parent and player contract lay out pretty much the same...no debate over playing time, positions, X and O's during the season. If they want to make an appointment after/before the season I will gladly make time to see them. Also lay out in the contracts what it takes to be a "starter" and I have my Parent meeting in May so I do not have to deal with such triffle come August and the start of camp.
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Post by Coach Geordie on Oct 17, 2006 2:51:00 GMT -6
It is often good to take the opportunity to remind players and parents (not that I deal with parents) that football prepares players for life. Part of life is understanding that you are not always the star, you will not always get what you want and that you will be often asked to do things you do not wish to do.
The mark of a grown up is how you change this to your benefit by either accepting your limititaions or changing yourself to exceed them.
And a quick reminder that football is neither a democracy nor a popularity contest never goes a miss.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 17, 2006 5:05:46 GMT -6
Here is one simple key nthat some coaches forget make sure to take attendance every day! i have a small binder, 3x 5 cards. there is one card for each kid. i keep attendance, discipline, comments, practice grades, notes, attitude remarks etc on these cards. any parent that wants to see my cards surely could. the ones full of notes are the ones whos kids get the least playing time. i have kids that dont miss a football event for 3 or more years at a time and then theres the ones who cant seem to make football a priority. attendance is very important obviously.
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Post by coachveer on Oct 17, 2006 5:14:15 GMT -6
We tell them that their son lacks courage.
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Post by los on Oct 17, 2006 7:19:37 GMT -6
I like coach Huey's general philosophy on this subject, and we always tried to do the same. But, I can see the dilema for coaches from large programs with lots of borderline players. We tried to work guys in on special teams first, starting with ko return- 2nd tier outside positions were kinda reserved for newbies. Some never graduated from special teams expert the rest of their career. My favorite polite explanation to parents was- "Your son is a really good kid, trys hard, is improving every day but "needs more work" to become an every play starter on offense or defense." "Meanwhile though, were gonna really need him to be a good special teams expert and fill in where he can!" It has been a tough "sell" at times, if the kid excelled at some other sport such as baseball or something and his parents can't understand why he isn't "The Man" in football too! But most will understand the "needs more work" deal much better than just calling the kid a wimp, slacker, chicken $hit loser! Don't you think? los
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 17, 2006 8:33:37 GMT -6
Keep in mind, without parents, kids won't sign up. It's the parent's money.
If you want to have # problems, be terse with the parents.
Being a little diplomatic, even if the parent/kid doesn't deserve it, can go a long way for your program.
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Post by brophy on Oct 17, 2006 8:42:45 GMT -6
agree with wingt74. If you sell all the kids on contributing....whether its just practice squad or what not (we don't do stickers, because we feel the practice squad player.....the secondary....all had a part in developing that DE to get his sack) .....some guys are JUST THAT....practice squad players and their reward is being a part of the TEAM's success, no matter how small.
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Post by los on Oct 17, 2006 9:05:42 GMT -6
Good point brophy, in hs a lot of our (not very good at football) friends came out, suffered thru all the tough practices, did everything the guys who played did but seldom got in a game. We, as players tried to make them feel like an important part of the teams success. One of my best buddies who was thinking about a career in journalism, (later became a teacher) came out as a senior, worked hard but rarely got in a game, but he sure did write some nice "first hand" stories for the sports section of the local paper. lol ! Kind of an amateur "George Plimpton".
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Post by joebradshaw on Oct 17, 2006 12:58:21 GMT -6
If anyone has a player/parent contract they are willing to share, my email is joedbradshaw@bellsouth.net
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Post by indyball on Oct 17, 2006 14:26:33 GMT -6
Wow, I never thought of the implications when a school makes students "pay to play"...and realize no one ever named the program "pay to practice and ride the bench". Is there an extra set of problems that goes along with this scenario where a parent says, "I didn't pay x amount of dollars to watch my kid not play."
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Post by coachcb on Oct 17, 2006 14:45:46 GMT -6
you actually talk to parents? we have a policy, a kid has to talk to the coach first before we will even consider a parent. kids need to learn how to fight their own battles. infact we have a caoch who if he gets a call on a kid before the kid talks to him, the kid does not play the next game. I'm with airman on this one- force the kids to take sccountability for their actions (or lack there of). You have no responsibility to the parents, your relationship is with the kids, period. You never want the parents as a medium in communication.
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Post by bigdaddyd on Oct 17, 2006 14:49:50 GMT -6
Best way (IMO) to tell a parent about their sons playing time is to just tell them: "there son isn't ready yet, and if he steps on the field against the more experience opponent, he may get injured and until he proves himself in practice; he will not see ANY playing time. "When I told this to certain parents, they were understanding, and realized I had nothing but the best intentions for their son. The bickering and whinning stopped...[glow=red,2,300]FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR SO... THEN I HAD TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.[/glow]
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 18, 2006 6:39:38 GMT -6
that their kid sucks and that is why he doesn't play list em off boys heres a response i sent after a person complained about our eligibility policy (this person called my home and emailed me at least 3 times to try and get us to allow his son to play) xxxxxxx- regarding xxxx I did get your phone message this am.... I can sense your frustration over the policy however I am holding xxxx accountable for his grades. He is to turn in his gear at this time. I do not think we would serve xxxxx well by bending the rules.In addition to failing xxxxxby bending the rules we would make a mockery of the other policies we have in place for the benefits of our team and program. Once again, xxxxxhas been a pleasure to coach and teach. He is quite capable and if he applies himself as a student he can become a fine football player. Our policy will remain student first, athlete second. You might be interested in knowing that wrestling season is fast approaching and if his grades allow, he would do well to join that team for the fitness benefits. I anticipate that xxxxxx will try football again as a freshman. thanks for your support - Coach Calande
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Post by brophy on Oct 18, 2006 7:40:00 GMT -6
sounds like a fat kid, Calande....why ya gotta pick on the fatties?
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 18, 2006 8:12:54 GMT -6
parents main concern was their sons health, wanted football for fitness benefits...
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Post by blb on Oct 18, 2006 11:02:56 GMT -6
"If your kid were any lazier, he'd need somebody to breathe for him."
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 18, 2006 11:38:55 GMT -6
"If your kid were any lazier, he'd need somebody to breathe for him." If your kid ran any slower, he'd be running backwards. love it
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 18, 2006 11:44:19 GMT -6
your son is very slow, fortunately hes also very small
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