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Post by mrjvi on Nov 30, 2012 10:38:44 GMT -6
This might not be a long thread but after 31 years of coaching, 24 as a head coach there are still some major things I can't get to happen. As evidence from some of my rants, one of mine I can't seem to get is the whole school buying into progressive strength training for all sports.
I'm wondering from any coaches who have alot of years in coaching, who by now probably have many if not most things figured out or at least have a good workable system (reason for coaching so long) , what thing(s) have still eluded you.
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Post by kylem56 on Nov 30, 2012 15:20:18 GMT -6
Getting players to believe TEAM first when dad is constantly in their ear about how they need to go to camp X and Y and need better stats to get a scholarship
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Post by airman on Nov 30, 2012 16:57:23 GMT -6
stupidity!!! I keep trying but are am starting to think Forest Gump is right when he says " stupid is as stupid does " and comedian Ron White's statement " you can fix stupid."
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Post by statueleft on Nov 30, 2012 19:35:25 GMT -6
1)Battling the varsity o-line coach who is hoarding 8 olinemen vs letting 2-3 of those backups playing some quarters during the jv game. Wish I had the answer.
2) Throwing the bubble route to the slot recievers...in theory it seems like an easy throw but the qb's pass is often inaccurate. Low reward vs ( high ) risk throw for our qb's for some reason.
Sincerely, JV Offensive Coordinator
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Post by wvcoach on Nov 30, 2012 23:19:19 GMT -6
Getting players to believe TEAM first when dad is constantly in their ear about how they need to go to camp X and Y and need better stats to get a scholarship +100 Sent from my iPhone using ProBoards |
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Post by airman on Nov 30, 2012 23:43:28 GMT -6
Getting players to believe TEAM first when dad is constantly in their ear about how they need to go to camp X and Y and need better stats to get a scholarship It is hard to get people into the Team First because it goes against this country so to speak for a few reasons. 1. One of the beliefs in this country is that we are rugged individualists or at least should be. 2. It goes against our animal instinct of self preservation 3. From a religious standpoint people are taught they are selfish sinners. It is the original sin aka fall of man. sin nature is a tendency towards sin without collective quilt. 4. It goes against darwinism or evolution because the goal for the individual species to survive. 5. It goes against pop culture " no one is going to control me man " says the 16 yr old then 30 years later he has a wife, kids, two mortgages one on the home and on for the home on the lake home plus credit cards debt up to his eyeballs. now he his a slave to the system. |
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 1, 2012 0:44:13 GMT -6
1. Getting the entire program to buy in to the weight room
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Post by cvaughan598 on Dec 1, 2012 2:08:34 GMT -6
Statue left, I here you on bubble screen! I started running now/qk screens instead of bubbles. May also consider having bubble run to depth and back pedal. Then QB can put it right on them.
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 1, 2012 6:28:20 GMT -6
My wife....no disrespect intended.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 7:27:14 GMT -6
Getting kids into the right positions. Also self-doubt. The older I get the less confident I am for some odd reason. Getting kids to buy into the weight room was another big one too.
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 1, 2012 7:30:44 GMT -6
Getting kids into the right positions. Also self-doubt. The older I get the less confident I am for some odd reason. Getting kids to buy into the weight room was another big one too. Duece Deuce Im like you I have more self doubt. Here is why I think that is. When your young and dumb you think you can out scheme out coach everyone. The older you get you realize you need alot of things to be successful. You analyze way more than you used to....would be my guess. |
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 1, 2012 11:35:42 GMT -6
Getting kids into the right positions. Also self-doubt. The older I get the less confident I am for some odd reason. Getting kids to buy into the weight room was another big one too. Duece Deuce Im like you I have more self doubt. Here is why I think that is. When your young and dumb you think you can out scheme out coach everyone. The older you get you realize you need alot of things to be successful. You analyze way more than you used to....would be my guess. I feel this some as well... I feel like I need more reassurance than I used to 2 years ago when I ran the JV offense I felt like a genius, I could do no wrong and every play call I made was right This year I feel like I put a ton of pressure on myself to be perfect |
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Post by 33coach on Dec 1, 2012 12:14:54 GMT -6
This might not be a long thread but after 31 years of coaching, 24 as a head coach there are still some major things I can't get to happen. As evidence from some of my rants, one of mine I can't seem to get is the whole school buying into progressive strength training for all sports. I'm wondering from any coaches who have alot of years in coaching, who by now probably have many if not most things figured out or at least have a good workable system (reason for coaching so long) , what thing(s) have still eluded you. How to get players 'stronger' and 'mentally tougher' at a middle school program that doesnt allow weight room work or time as a team outside of practice. Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards |
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 1, 2012 12:22:30 GMT -6
Great stuff. Deuce-right on as another one for me.
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Post by wvcoach on Dec 1, 2012 14:12:06 GMT -6
How to get players 'stronger' and 'mentally tougher' at a middle school program that doesnt allow weight room work or time as a team outside of practice.
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Post by pirates2012 on Dec 1, 2012 15:02:41 GMT -6
Getting kids into the right positions. Also self-doubt. The older I get the less confident I am for some odd reason. Getting kids to buy into the weight room was another big one too. Duece Agree on getting kids into the weight room. had 5 the other day. 5. And the self doubt. I'm still youngish with another year and a half before I hit 30 but its still there. I either am confident or doubtful, I don't seem to have a middle ground |
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Post by amthd45 on Dec 2, 2012 17:55:51 GMT -6
the weight room is a funny thing. Sometimes you will have a group of kids that really buy into it and the dividens pay off in the form of good teams. Other times you have kids that are so use to being "athletic" they dont see how lifting weights can benefit them. Plus weightlifting, by nature is hard. It is not that "fun". It hurts, its painful, and soreness can last for days. Kids dont want to do such things by nature. But if you can get them to give it a solid go for about 6-8 weeks and when a few them start to "grow" due to the weightlfiting, they will buy in and see how beneficial it is. It also builds a competitve nature where you find out who is not wanting to get beat in the weightroom will not want to lose on the field either. Then there are a few kids that are so weak when they first start, they get intimidated when they see other kids lifting so much more than them. Those kids need lots of TLC and you gott show them they are making progress. Lastly, weightlifting HAS to be done during school hours. Make it a class and the kids would rather workout than take physics. No Championships schools in my neck of the woods would be CHamps if they had to get their kids in the weightroom before or after school only.
Oh and to answer the ? originally posted, i have yet to figure out how to make chicken salad out of chicken S###!!! :LOL
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 2, 2012 18:15:57 GMT -6
Leadership!
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Post by pvogel on Dec 2, 2012 18:49:38 GMT -6
Finding a complete staff and kids that understand that games are not won and lost on friday nights... but on the other 360 somethin days.
So that ties in to weight room buy-in.
I am constantly frustrated that it seems no one understands this concept... that what you do in february, what you do on the weekends, what you do during the week in practice, and what you do in 3rd period math all contributes to the success and failures of this program
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 2, 2012 20:56:31 GMT -6
Finding a complete staff and kids that understand that games are not won and lost on friday nights... but on the other 360 somethin days. So that ties in to weight room buy-in. I am constantly frustrated that it seems no one understands this concept... that what you do in february, what you do on the weekends, what you do during the week in practice, and what you do in 3rd period math all contributes to the success and failures of this program That's the difference between the top1% and everyone else... The other 364 days matter a heck of a lot more than the play call on 3rd and 3 |
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Post by pirates2012 on Dec 2, 2012 21:09:46 GMT -6
we have a weight room coach now ( assistant). AD doesn't want football coaches in there a lot because he's afraid that means that other coaches will feel that the only reason we're having them lift is for football.
I've been in a few times but now the assistant's supposed to have the weight room and be the weight room coach, I guess. IDK.
There are a few little things that strike me as odd and have made me take a closer look at things
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 22:48:21 GMT -6
Getting the kids to buy into the weight room is my biggest struggle right now. We have 3 weightlifting PE periods during the day and if you aren't in one of them, you are expected to be at after school weightlifting if you are not involved in sport during winter and spring.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2012 23:42:57 GMT -6
Finding a complete staff and kids that understand that games are not won and lost on friday nights... but on the other 360 somethin days. So that ties in to weight room buy-in. I am constantly frustrated that it seems no one understands this concept... that what you do in february, what you do on the weekends, what you do during the week in practice, and what you do in 3rd period math all contributes to the success and failures of this program That's the difference between the top1% and everyone else... The other 364 days matter a heck of a lot more than the play call on 3rd and 3 This is one of my biggest pet peeves as well, with parents as well as kids. Got myself in a little trouble years ago as a jr high coach for a successful (and very affluent) k-12 school in New Orleans. The Varsity was losing to their big rivals, and some parents were complaining about the coaching. I was young and brash at the time (and per LHSAA rules of the day, you had to be a teacher to be a varsity coach, so I was just helping out with the jr high while working on my degree) and didnt know anybetter, so I somewhat gruffly ;D mentioned that "#73 in white was lifting weights all summer while your boy was taking a family trip to Europe for 3 weeks. Don't get me wrong ma'am, your son works hard and does what is asked , but for #73...this is the most important thing in his life. And your son isn't naturally gifted enough to compete with that kind of desire...and it isn't important enough to him or you to make up the difference." |
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 3, 2012 2:02:48 GMT -6
Finding a complete staff and kids that understand that games are not won and lost on friday nights... but on the other 360 somethin days. So that ties in to weight room buy-in. I am constantly frustrated that it seems no one understands this concept... that what you do in february, what you do on the weekends, what you do during the week in practice, and what you do in 3rd period math all contributes to the success and failures of this program Pat I just had this conversation with one of my coaches today. We are very frustrated at our school. The var hc could care less in weight lifting. Doesnt believe in it. I used this analogy with him. I raced cars all over the state. Race day everyone at the race track is trying to win. I told him that is not who wins the race. Its the guy that prepared all off season and that has prepared his car to hit the track full speed. Come friday nights everyone wants to win, the question "cliche" did you put the time in to win. I know preaching to the choir. |
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Post by pvogel on Dec 3, 2012 8:27:00 GMT -6
buck-
You tell him its gotta be more important to you than it is to that team in blue!
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 3, 2012 9:42:54 GMT -6
buck- You tell him its gotta be more important to you than it is to that team in blue! Pat Im moving on to purple.....serioulsy. lol |
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Post by silkyice on Dec 3, 2012 12:00:00 GMT -6
That's the difference between the top1% and everyone else... The other 364 days matter a heck of a lot more than the play call on 3rd and 3 This is one of my biggest pet peeves as well, with parents as well as kids. Got myself in a little trouble years ago as a jr high coach for a successful (and very affluent) k-12 school in New Orleans. The Varsity was losing to their big rivals, and some parents were complaining about the coaching. I was young and brash at the time (and per LHSAA rules of the day, you had to be a teacher to be a varsity coach, so I was just helping out with the jr high while working on my degree) and didnt know anybetter, so I somewhat gruffly ;D mentioned that "#73 in white was lifting weights all summer while your boy was taking a family trip to Europe for 3 weeks. Don't get me wrong ma'am, your son works hard and does what is asked , but for #73...this is the most important thing in his life. And your son isn't naturally gifted enough to compete with that kind of desire...and it isn't important enough to him or you to make up the difference." LOVE IT! |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 3, 2012 13:06:00 GMT -6
1. Toughness
2. Competitiveness
3. Team versus me. Too many "I, me, myers" out there.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 3, 2012 13:31:59 GMT -6
That's the difference between the top1% and everyone else... The other 364 days matter a heck of a lot more than the play call on 3rd and 3 This is one of my biggest pet peeves as well, with parents as well as kids. Got myself in a little trouble years ago as a jr high coach for a successful (and very affluent) k-12 school in New Orleans. The Varsity was losing to their big rivals, and some parents were complaining about the coaching. I was young and brash at the time (and per LHSAA rules of the day, you had to be a teacher to be a varsity coach, so I was just helping out with the jr high while working on my degree) and didnt know anybetter, so I somewhat gruffly ;D mentioned that "#73 in white was lifting weights all summer while your boy was taking a family trip to Europe for 3 weeks. Don't get me wrong ma'am, your son works hard and does what is asked , but for #73...this is the most important thing in his life. And your son isn't naturally gifted enough to compete with that kind of desire...and it isn't important enough to him or you to make up the difference." In my last gig, I was cornered by a mom in the post-office over lunch. Her son was a good kid but hadn't been getting much playing time. So I asked her, "What did Alex do to get better last spring and last summer? He didn't do track, he didn't take a weight training class, he wasn't with me lifting in the mornings so where was he?" |
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