osceola
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Post by osceola on Nov 25, 2012 23:28:47 GMT -6
I have an offensive lineman that is going to be a 3 year starter, and be a senior next season. He is the best player I have coached. The problem with him is he is 6'2....and as I have come to know.....there are a lot of good 6'4 and less kids who do not get noticed because of there height and most colleges looking for the 6'4 and up guys.
Besides shipping his highlight tapes all over hudl.....what are some good Lineman camps, and other ways to get him out there and get him noticed? I am sure you have all had them, but I really want to work hard for this kid to get a chance to play at the next level at a quality place.
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 26, 2012 7:19:22 GMT -6
Film some practice. Real tight stuff to show off his foot work/technique.
Include overlays on each video of what to look for, or if it's footwork for a specific play, overlay that.
i.e. Outside zone, inside zone, pass pro, maybe even a screen. Keep the camera tight on him, some one on one stuff, etc.
Post it all to HUDL.
Think like a coach...what would you like to know about a kid? Include GPA, bench, 40, weight room work ethic, etc as small overlays on the entire video.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 26, 2012 9:35:11 GMT -6
I had a kid just like him.....best hardworking player I have ever coached....very difficult...IMO he needs to go to some camps and just be seen..that being said unless he weighs 300 and is a man killer he is probably not going d1a unless he gets a preferred walk on.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 26, 2012 11:39:49 GMT -6
It is difficult. A few years back I had a stud offensive/defensive lineman. He was 6'2" 280. Benched 405 squatted 550 cleaned over 300. He ran a hand timed 4.89. He was mean also. I had a coach at Samford in B'ham have him as his 5th out of four offensive line positions for a scholarship. I could not believe it. We played some div 1 players that year and he destroyed all those guys. Louisville was going to offer but backed out on signing day.
He ends up walking-on at Auburn earning a scholarship and being the starting center on Auburn's 2004 undefeated team. He was 2nd team All-SEC. Not bad for someone who couldn't get offered from a crappy D-1AA school. I honestly do not know what coaches look for sometimes.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 26, 2012 12:57:53 GMT -6
I honestly do not know what coaches look for sometimes. these D1 guys make a lot of money...every year a certain % of recruits are busts..if you are going to make a mistake (and lose your big salary) make a mistake on a BIG guy
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Post by wingtol on Nov 27, 2012 9:37:39 GMT -6
Several years ago we were blessed with a once in a life time team. Had like 9-10 D1 kids. One of our linemen was the top recruit in the state, ended up winning state player of the year award. Offers from everywhere. As the playoffs continued college coaches were coming and watching us during one of their live recruiting periods. The OL coach from a big time program was up to see this kid. As he watched practice he told us "That left guard you guys have is the best OL I have seen all year!" Then made some other comments about how sound he was, tough and nasty. It was not the player of the year kid. So our HC said "Wow great you need film on him or anything like that?" The coach laughed and said "No I can't recruit him he's 6'2 275. We only offer guys 6'4 300+ per the HC"
Kinda hard to fight that battle. Not sure that has anything to do with the OP but I like the story LOL
Film and camps are all you can really do for any kid. Just cause he is 6'2 doesn't mean no school will want him. Plenty of D2/3 places have guys that size. Look up some schools around you and their rosters. Find schools with guys his size and concentrate on those schools with film, emails, calls, etc. If he is good someone will want him.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 27, 2012 9:45:08 GMT -6
Yep concentrate on DII and NAIA unless you have a very strong connection to a DI coach.
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Post by mholst40 on Nov 27, 2012 11:42:20 GMT -6
A couple of years ago we had a kid who was a 2-time O-linemen of the Year in our league. A strong kid, but he lacked size and most coaches (even D2) wouldn't look at him.
He ended up playing for a D3 program.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 27, 2012 13:46:48 GMT -6
D1AA/FCS schools will offer him a scholarship if he's good enough. They didn't offer my guy who ended up being an All-SEC selection. And he was not a late bloomer or a kid that drastically got better or bigger or stronger. They just flat out missed him.
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Post by tog on Dec 4, 2012 11:06:13 GMT -6
what database are you guys using to get recruit lists and video links out to the smaller colleges around the country these days?
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Post by John Knight on Dec 4, 2012 14:00:27 GMT -6
tog, I just go to the website of these smaller schools, click on coaching staff and send them an email after I determine who is the recruiting guy. I then send a hudl recruiting package to the email address. They will get back to you. They don't always offer money but they will try to get the kid to come there and if he is talented they will make a play for him.
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Post by tog on Dec 4, 2012 14:29:13 GMT -6
I can do that, just looking for a bigger list of the smaller schools, a true database that keeps up with who to actually get in touch with with all of the movement in each school
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Post by John Knight on Dec 4, 2012 15:25:12 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 4, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -6
Great site
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Post by dubnicks on Dec 4, 2012 21:27:54 GMT -6
I've always felt that kids like this are really at the mercy of where they grow up. Being from Kansas, the NJCAA Jayhawk conference is in our back yard. Coaches from each of those schools scour the smaller communities looking for these type of kids (especially big farm boys for OL/DL). It's a win/win situation in the state. The coaches get these kids into their programs to show work ethic to the truly gifted athletes that show up at JUCOs because they can't test high enough for D1 schools, and the kids get the benefit of having major recruits coming to see the teams on a constant basis.
I can still remember 5 or 6 of us from my HS sitting down with JUCO coaches to discuss going and playing JUCO ball, and then the subject of education comes up and he found out 3 of us wanted to be engineers. The coaches flat out told us they wanted our "farm boy mentality" to come in and beat up on some of the other kids they bring in, and maybe you'll get a chance to get noticed. I no longer live in KS, but I can't imagine this has changed too much over the years.
Good luck to your kid and hope the best for him.
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Post by shields on Dec 5, 2012 4:49:23 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I have also had luck getting a kid noticed at one of the larger camps (still do all the leg work as far as film, etc.) but Coach Caldwell at Clemson has been around forever and knows everybody. Clemson's one-day senior camps for example are worked by over 20 college coaches at various levels. It has been a good way for me to get a kid seen in person by say a school where I don't have any connections and have them ask for film. Plus, Coach Caldwell will call me the day after camp to fill me in on the "buzz" on the kids so I will know what direction to push the kid his senior year.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 5, 2012 6:01:39 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Dec 5, 2012 6:10:11 GMT -6
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Post by pitt1980 on Apr 2, 2013 12:49:11 GMT -6
advice I have,
shoot clear video, preferably from the endzone
alot of time its hard to evaluate lineman off of video shot from the sideline, especially if its at a low angle or not real good quality
send it out to as many places as possible
beyond that, not really all that much you can do
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Post by simione916 on Apr 3, 2013 18:59:18 GMT -6
I honestly do not know what coaches look for sometimes. Coach, AMEN to that! Last year the best offensive lineman that I have EVER coached didn't get a sniff. 6'1" 295...strong, agile, and plays with a motor and a mean streak. He will have to go the long route (jc football), which he is okay with. But it smarts to have a kid do everything you ask and more, but no offers at the end. I also don't know what some of these guys look for. Actually I do (height/weight, what they PROJECT the kids to be even if he stinks right now, who else has offered the kid, and internet hype), but I hate to think about it. What I have noticed is that what we as coaches have to say about a kid is pretty much meaningless to these guys:)
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Post by austinator on Apr 3, 2013 20:38:51 GMT -6
I've covered recruiting for a Rivals.com affiliate and know of instances where people have run across talented individuals and forward highlight video to a recruiting coordinator at a FBS school. Not too long afterward, the FBS school was recruiting this kid and nearly offered but they got a commitment at that position before the players test scores came back, IIRC.
Here's what I've noticed in my time covering recruiting for the Rivals.com affiliate Send his film to the recruiting coordinator at FBS schools - IMO, send one to the big state BCS school, a few local FBS schools, local FCS schools, region D3 schools, etc Go to camps - Don't wait until the summer before their SR year, start before their JR (or SO year if they are talented enough) Don't send every all region player to a FBS recruiting coordinator - make sure they are legitimate prospects Appoint an member of your staff as a recruiting coordinator - responsible for maintaining highlight film and getting it to local colleges, a HS in GA did this and several players (I want to think it was 19) signed scholarships in one year for multiple levels
Some of you guys have been coaching longer than I have been alive. Most of you have forgotten more football than I'll probably ever know. Please don't take this as a young guy telling you what to do
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Post by simione916 on Apr 3, 2013 22:29:28 GMT -6
I've covered recruiting for a Rivals.com affiliate and know of instances where people have run across talented individuals and forward highlight video to a recruiting coordinator at a FBS school. Not too long afterward, the FBS school was recruiting this kid and nearly offered but they got a commitment at that position before the players test scores came back, IIRC. Here's what I've noticed in my time covering recruiting for the Rivals.com affiliate Send his film to the recruiting coordinator at FBS schools - IMO, send one to the big state BCS school, a few local FBS schools, local FCS schools, region D3 schools, etc Go to camps - Don't wait until the summer before their SR year, start before their JR (or SO year if they are talented enough) Don't send every all region player to a FBS recruiting coordinator - make sure they are legitimate prospects Appoint an member of your staff as a recruiting coordinator - responsible for maintaining highlight film and getting it to local colleges, a HS in GA did this and several players (I want to think it was 19) signed scholarships in one year for multiple levels Some of you guys have been coaching longer than I have been alive. Most of you have forgotten more football than I'll probably ever know. Please don't take this as a young guy telling you what to do far from it, austinator. I might be old, but I appreciate the heck out of stuff like this because the recruiting process seemingly is beyond me. Thanks for the tips, man. Really!
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osceola
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Post by osceola on Apr 3, 2013 22:43:22 GMT -6
Wow forgot all about making this thread.
Believe it or not, my guy made the first team Texas 3a AP All state team. Also was selected as lineman of the year for our district.
Right now he is 6'2 290
He went to the Rivals camp in Houston, and is going to a few junior days, Tulsa being one he is attending this weekend.
Not sure how interested anyone truly is in him right now....but he is signed up to attend several camps.
I put together a decent highlight tape of him, and have sent a copy of two games to almost every division 1 and 1-aa school in Texas.
Will see what happens.
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Post by dubber on Apr 4, 2013 16:24:53 GMT -6
Coach, if he wants it, he can try to go and get it.
Right now, if "junior days" are all he's getting invited to, he is looking at a preferred walk-on offer at best.
But, he may catch someone's eye at the camp. That is his only real shot.
I wish him the best of luck.
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Post by newhope on Apr 4, 2013 17:28:27 GMT -6
Go to one day camps at schools he is interested in. Talk to the coaches at those schools after he attends the camp. Get an honest evaluation from them. He's probably going to end up FCS or D2. Can he snap? They're more likely to take a center who is a little shorter.
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Post by wolfden12 on Apr 4, 2013 21:05:44 GMT -6
Coaches, Great stuff. I have a RB who is in a similar situation and need some advice. He is your run of the mill kid. We are a mid-level school by classification, Division 4 out of 6 in Ohio. He is an African American 5'8 190. Strong as an ox, great character, solid grades, 2 year starter, captain, etc. A "program" kid. The problem is we are struggling to get him some looks. He attended several camps as a junior and a descent showing. He wants to play D1 and is frustrated by no one showing interest. I personally think he could play, but think he is ideally a solid D2 kid. We have put a plan together and are working hard with the process. My advice was to narrow his schools 1A where he thinks he could play and pursue using visits, camp, etc. Secondly, have a backup plan 1AA, D2, D3. My question is: If I have a coach's cell #, is better for me to call or the player? Can you truly do anything more for a kid then film and contact coaches? Is being persistent a negative when looking for interest from schools?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 4, 2013 21:17:11 GMT -6
At that size he'd better run like the wind if he wants to play 1a. Pushing the issue on a kid who doesn't have the talent is going to hurt your reputation long term for other kid.
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Post by wolfden12 on Apr 4, 2013 21:22:39 GMT -6
He is looking at MAC schools only. He is understanding the process more as he goes through it. I do not want to let a kid down by not making an effort.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 4, 2013 22:14:44 GMT -6
An effort is good, as long as everyone stays realistic.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 5, 2013 6:32:17 GMT -6
Coaches, Great stuff. I have a RB who is in a similar situation and need some advice. He is your run of the mill kid. We are a mid-level school by classification, Division 4 out of 6 in Ohio. He is an African American 5'8 190. Strong as an ox, great character, solid grades, 2 year starter, captain, etc. A "program" kid. The problem is we are struggling to get him some looks. He attended several camps as a junior and a descent showing. He wants to play D1 and is frustrated by no one showing interest. I personally think he could play, but think he is ideally a solid D2 kid. We have put a plan together and are working hard with the process. My advice was to narrow his schools 1A where he thinks he could play and pursue using visits, camp, etc. Secondly, have a backup plan 1AA, D2, D3. My question is: If I have a coach's cell #, is better for me to call or the player? Can you truly do anything more for a kid then film and contact coaches? Is being persistent a negative when looking for interest from schools? Any help is greatly appreciated. We had a similar situation this year with our RB. Sounds like it could be the same kid. The sentence in your post that is the issue is "He wants to play D1 and is frustrated by no one showing interest." Guess what , everyone wants to play D1. When I would suggest a camp or a small school to contact when he was a jr, it was always the same repsponse from him "Can you send my tape to Oregon, Texas...etc. etc.". The reality was that he was a good D2/NAIA fit and possibly a D3 stud, but he wasn't wanting to hear any of that from me. He recently "committed" to a great D3 program, but a lot of time and resources were wasted by him on chasing a D1 scholly. The reality is that as coaches, you have to have a recruiting program in place with, my opinion, a single coach as your recruiting coordinator. Just as any other aspect of your team, you need to have a plan in place for recruiting just as you do a game plan for your next opponent. We started really making this a priority about 4 years ago and have had very good success at getting players names out there, forging relationships with college programs as well as creating a buzz about our football program in our community. This year with 12 seniors, we will end up with 6 of them playing ball, all at the D3 level, but still playing and going to great acedemic schools. Think about it, some kid tells his mom he wants to play football in high school and they have a program in place to help kids get to college, it sure makes an easier sell to that kids parents on whether they allow him to play or not. We start them as sophomores. Identify the kids who have an interest in playing ball after HS. Most kids will not jump on board with what you ask them at first, so you absoloutely have to get the parents involved as well. Get them info and suggest camps to attend as a sophomore and junior. One other thing that is extremely important (I am dealiing with my own sons recruiting grade related issues right now) is to tell them to GET YOUR GPA UP AND KEEP IT UP. Also, take the ACT as many times as you can and get that score as high as possible. With Hudl, there really is no need for the recruiting services anymore in my opinion, plus the kids can make their own highlights. (I kind of view them as the horseshoe being replaced by the automobile.) Put together a list of all schools in your tri-state area D1 to D3. American Football Monthly just published a list of every college in America a few months ago. Once you have your list, generate an email list of the recruiting coordinators at those schools and start sending out emails with player info and links to their Hudl highlights. Another thing about Hudl and film, if you have some dad in the stands doing your filming and the end product looks like the game was filmed duriing an earthquake, you have a problem. Get someone dedicated (we use an ex-player who still wants to be involved) to do your filming. If the film sucks, your highlight is going to suck. Hope this helps.
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