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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 23, 2012 14:08:07 GMT -6
A high scoring offense, or a dominant defense? We are the smallest team in our region, and one of the only ones who can't 2 platoon. As such, we opted to have our defense be stronger and pay for it on offense. As a result, we went 1-9 but lost several low scoring games by a field goal, or a touchdown. 2 of those came in overtime.
In the past, this is a team that was consistently blown out by 40+ points on a weekly basis.
With that said, just curious as to what you all would prefer.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 23, 2012 14:24:38 GMT -6
I think looking at these as mutually exclusive or compartmentalized phases of the game will almost ALWAYS result in less than desired success
That said...it is generally "easier" to play offense than defense. Reacting is harder than initiating.
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Post by pvogel on Nov 23, 2012 14:42:20 GMT -6
I'd rather have a good D. Best athletes should be on D.
Offense can make up for athletic shortcomings by playing disciplined and taking care of the ball. If youre outmatched on D sometimes youre just screwed.
Most importantly a good defense keeps every game close. Youre going to be in every game and have a chance.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 23, 2012 14:55:23 GMT -6
Dominant defense for sure and I'm an OC saying this
Our defense was terrible this year and I felt it put so much more pressure on the offense and myself to score every possession
It sucked if we scored and the other team would answer right back each time
Or worse if we didn't score first to take a lead we pretty much knew we were screwed
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Post by lochness on Nov 23, 2012 14:58:13 GMT -6
Defense. All day, every day. And, like bdud, that's coming from a guy who's spent his whole career on the offensive side.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 23, 2012 15:30:13 GMT -6
I'm an offensive minded coach, but I'd rather have a dominant defense. There's nothing more intimidating than a hard hitting nasty defense.
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Post by brophy on Nov 23, 2012 16:02:03 GMT -6
You can manufacturing scoring and tempo control on offense. You can't so much on defense. Invest in a sound defense and you'll win most HS games
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 23, 2012 16:04:06 GMT -6
Defense 1st... Can't do anything if the other team is running iso/power for 5 yds a pop and your QB/WR/RB are wathing for 2/3 of the game.
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Post by kyle on Nov 23, 2012 16:28:18 GMT -6
A high scoring offense, or a dominant defense? We are the smallest team in our region, and one of the only ones who can't 2 platoon. As such, we opted to have our defense be stronger and pay for it on offense. As a result, we went 1-9 but lost several low scoring games by a field goal, or a touchdown. 2 of those came in overtime. In the past, this is a team that was consistently blown out by 40+ points on a weekly basis. With that said, just curious as to what you all would prefer. Having just made the highlight film, I'd take the defense. Big runs get old really fast in highlight films, but big tackles never seem to. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 23, 2012 17:44:54 GMT -6
DEFENSE!
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 23, 2012 19:25:23 GMT -6
CQ, we can't do anything when your backup QB is slicing through us like we aren't even out there either.
I think the same way, would rather have a strong defense, but our inability to score at critical times really killed us too. I'm an offensive guy, but have been a defensive guy. As much as I love scoring points, I sure would love to avoid shootouts.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 24, 2012 10:06:07 GMT -6
I've been the head and offensive coach for 32 years and our best athletes have to play defense 1st. I can rotate on the O.
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Post by tog on Nov 24, 2012 12:12:45 GMT -6
I would rather win.
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Post by davishfc on Nov 24, 2012 12:33:11 GMT -6
I suppose you could call me greedy. But I choose both  |
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Post by davishfc on Nov 24, 2012 12:33:49 GMT -6
And case closed. This thread is done. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 24, 2012 13:37:29 GMT -6
Good call. I'll just take winning.
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Post by airman on Nov 25, 2012 0:37:19 GMT -6
I would rather have a dominate offense this way my defense can be an aggressive attacking defense who pressures the other teams offense and creates turnovers. a defense like this does not have to worry if they give up a td because they know the offense will pick them up.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 25, 2012 2:55:06 GMT -6
Defense.
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Post by mcrsa75 on Nov 25, 2012 7:56:25 GMT -6
It is a false choice. The objective is to win the game. On one team I coached, we had at least 5-6 players going both ways. We would select the appropriate time to utilize designated personnel (pass rushers, formations, 2 minute offense, short yardage.... ). Also, we made a point to rest/rotate the OL/dL as much as possible.
Coaches, you must be creative and willing to think outside of the box. You know which players can handle going both ways without taking a play off. You must find a way to utilize the talents/skill set of your second tier players. In essence, what/how can they contribute although they are not a starter? (Receivers are not very fast but run great routes, DL not very big but can penetrate gaps and make plays, QB does not have great arm but reads the coverage well and makes the right decision). Bottom line, UTILIZE THEIR SKILLS AND FIND A WAY TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
Just a few of my thoughts.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 25, 2012 7:59:36 GMT -6
We all seem to agree that offensive players can be created while defensive players must be born that way. If you have no natural defenders you better spend your time and effort getting the most out of what you can create and not what you can't. I prefer to win the Lottery but I am stuck working 3 jobs at times.
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Post by blb on Nov 25, 2012 8:10:38 GMT -6
Defense, Kicking Game, then do what you can on Offense.
Avoid losing first.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 25, 2012 8:18:29 GMT -6
Play to win!
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Post by newt21 on Nov 25, 2012 8:42:00 GMT -6
I prefer to have a stellar defense, however I have to play to the kid's strengths. If I have a kid who is lightning fast but won't tackle a pillow, then he's playing offense and if I have a kid that runs slower than frozen molasses but will stick it in there and make plays then he plays defense.
Sometimes you just shouldn't try to fit the square peg in the round hole.
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Post by davishfc on Nov 25, 2012 10:46:16 GMT -6
Your post made me think of this... |
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Post by blb on Nov 25, 2012 10:56:39 GMT -6
And yet - 4 out of 5 Football games are lost, not won.
Think of all the talking heads that get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to tell us, "The team that makes the fewest mistakes and turnovers will win!"
What exactly does "Play to Win!" mean anyway?
Always "go for it" on 4th Down, never punt? Go for two after scoring TD and trailing by one in 4th Quarter? Other?
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Post by davishfc on Nov 25, 2012 11:25:14 GMT -6
What exactly does "Play to Win!" mean anyway? I believe "play to win" means go out and play to your greatest potential and compete at the highest possible level and see where you end up. Sometimes that's good enough to win, sometimes it's not. But at least you gave yourself the best opportunity to win. We're in a competitive situation against an opponent who is attempting to keep us from our goal. Ultimately, we're competitive people who want to beat our opposition which, like Herm Edwards said, "you play to win the game." That's what I believe the phrase means. Always "go for it" on 4th Down, never punt? Go for two after scoring TD and trailing by one in 4th Quarter? Other? When you "play to win," you're right, you need to be smart and avoid losing as well. Don't give the game to your opponent by being careless. So decisions made in each of the situations you described above need to be made carefully in an effort to avoid losing the game. |
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 25, 2012 14:08:06 GMT -6
Defense, Kicking Game, then do what you can on Offense. Avoid losing first. Forget where I read this, but I liked it a lot: "Stop losing games first. Then, start winning games." IN MY OPINION, you stop losing games by playing the best defense possible, winning the kicking game, and minimizing mistakes on offense (fumbles, ints, missed assignments). Everyone is going to have a different recipe for doing that, but at the end of the day you've got to nail those things down before you can turn the corner into a winning program. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 25, 2012 14:55:03 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2012 15:23:22 GMT -6
But if you put your best on defense and still suck canal water, then what? Then you suck. Chicken salad...chicken poop... I agree with the poster who said it is a "false choice". I don't really think the original post is a valid question for the majority of High Schools. It is not like the NFL where having a potent offense is so heavily linked to QB play He wasn't asking "how do you place your personnel" he asked do you prefer high scoring offense or dominant defense. I would say that at the HS level, you probably won't have one but not the other ..because having one or the other is generally caused by having a superior amount of quality football players. If you have enough quality football players to give up less than a TD a game (dominant defense) and you are two platooning and not scoring points...you are a foolish coach. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 25, 2012 15:28:39 GMT -6
This was us. We chose to field our best defense and then rotate people on offense as we needed them. We were stellar on first and second down, but loved giving up huge 3rd down plays. In one event we had a team at 3rd and 25 in overtime, and gave up a 45 yard TD play. |
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