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Post by jbizzz5 on Jun 23, 2007 9:30:57 GMT -6
Im on the ground floor on this idea, but Im hoping maybe some of you can help out with some advice.... We are 95% shotgun spread (4 wide) and have been for the past 5 years, I now want to run primarily all of my stuff out of no huddle but I also want to implement a formation shifting concept this year called "Scramble" The Scramble idea will allow my players to line-up in exotic formations nearly anywhere on the field (with some basic rules to make the formations legal) If the defense does not adjust (or over adjusts) to these formations we can signal in (or use armbands) our quick game, uncovered passes or any run play. If the scramle formation is covered properly, or if we just want to create defensive confusion and movement we can signal a base formation and play..... Has anyone used this before, has it been effective, will I have enough time to signal in formations and plays from the sideline?  ?? One of my fears is that without real structure the kids may get flustered with indecision....One of my hopes is that teams will have to prepare all week for 100 different formations that they think we run..... Thanks in advance, J. Bizz |
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Post by mander on Jun 23, 2007 17:20:34 GMT -6
I used a concept that was similar. it went like this: Both TE's had to stay on their normal sides, but could line up anywhere on the line, all other backs and receivers could line up where ever they wanted...
we would tag one or two players for a designed play - maybe an option with the ability to switch sides on the line, maybe a QB Draw, maybe a Smash pattern combo...
We would run this 5 to 6 times a game just to keep people puzzled. In reality, it was our exact base play we had run a million times, but the new formation threw some people off...
I would not make "new" plays for this, just adapt our regular plays.
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Post by easye17 on Jun 23, 2007 17:39:31 GMT -6
We used it as a way to create confusion for defenses. What we did was have the TE switch sides of the field, our F and H could line up where ever they wanted in the backfield or out of the backfield, and our Z and X had to stay on their respective sides of the formation but could move in and out.
We combined this massive shifting with motions to just create more confusion and things to look at for the defense. It was especially good vs. defenses that checked a lot of things to certain formations cause we would be shifting strength sometimes three times (with the shift and motion) on one play.
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Post by dubber on Jun 23, 2007 18:38:02 GMT -6
Are you talking about letting the kids line up wherever they want?
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 23, 2007 19:23:17 GMT -6
Coach, I call this little thing "jump."
I don't let them line up anywhere they want, but I do line up in doubletight doublewing right out of the huddle, before we say set.
On set everybody jumps to whatever formation they are to do to. At least 1 person will shift on set every single play.
It's really easy for us, we are never late because I send the plays in with arm band numbers.
The shifting causes lots of defensive issues and lots of jumping off sides on their part, not ours.
If you are sending in your plays via player I don't think you would have time to shift. However, if you can do what you are saying here, it will help you offensively.
I say this because I run over 20 variations of formations, if you however are only running 2, such as 2x2 and 3x1 you won't get the defense to do much. They'll just stand there and wait on you to quite playing around.
OJW
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Post by easye17 on Jun 23, 2007 19:52:45 GMT -6
We call it scatter. They line up within those guidelines above, and on set, they go to the formation called in the huddle. Then we run whatever is called. Its not lining up where you feel like, we make it look like certain formations.
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Post by coacha65 on Jun 25, 2007 16:38:41 GMT -6
I've seen a team line-up as follows: TE to one side, bunch form to the other and Back and QB in shotgun depth. They have a small package out of the bunch and will shift to spread or trips. I believe they did this to us because we called the D after they got set , they would take 15 sec. to get the play giving us time to call. I'm pretty sure they call two plays, one bunch and one spread (2X2) and check based on what they see. It limits us a bit.
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Post by tigerpc on Jul 1, 2007 5:20:38 GMT -6
We do this and call it "Burst". The TE lines up on the opposite side & the backs line up in a different formation. The SE lines up tight & then goes out to his wide position or vice-versa depending on the play called.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 1, 2007 5:40:27 GMT -6
I have used scramble for awhile. The players know where they have to be on "set" and can line up anywhere they want. Defenses tend to become very vanilla when they see so many formations.
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Post by mander on Jul 1, 2007 9:22:08 GMT -6
The kids could line up where ever they wanted...
Only rules:
1. the left te had to be on the LOS on the left side.
2. The right TE had to be on the LOS on the right side.
3. The tagged player had to lineup in the correct position to run the called tag.
4. Snap it quick while they are trying to figure out why they have never seen this formation on film.
Remember, we were not doing this all the time... just a few plays, and a few more where we shifted into a base formation.
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jul 1, 2007 10:09:48 GMT -6
NC State and Norm Chow..what a master!
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?? One of my fears is that without real structure the kids may get flustered with indecision....One of my hopes is that teams will have to prepare all week for 100 different formations that they think we run.....
