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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 3, 2012 7:14:48 GMT -6
We lost big last night to a team who is athletically our equal.. We are 3-6, probably going to finish 4-6 again for the 3rd straight year.. Which is good considering the school had just won 3 games in 5 years prior to our arrival and was the last team to lose to a school that is now winless in the last 36 games. We have changed the culture of the program. How ever everytime I think we are climbing the letter, I feel like I do now. 5 of the 6 loses have come to playoff teams, the teams we need to be to get in. We started making strides, we had never scored more than 14 on our alma mater lost 28-21, our number 2 seed had beating us by 30+ 4 out of the last 5 years lost to them 42-28, it was 35-28 with 40 seconds left when scored. But then the wheels look like they have come off, with the playoffs on the line the #3 seed beat us 56-21. It was 49-21 at half, hell on offense we had 383 yards total offense and 14 points! Last night playing what will be the #4 seed with a chance to be the #4 seed with a win last night and 1 next week. We get beat 40-0 at home on Senior Night! We their backup QB playing I knew we were in for it, (we are starting a Soph at QB now because he is completing 62% of his passes and has 10 TDs and 3 INTs, he earned the job when the senior got hurt he was completing 42% of his passes and 4 TDs and 4 INTs) The Soph played in those 2 games I spoke of, but what do some of my senior WRs ask, can we play the Sr. QB because it is senior night and then put the Soph in.. WHAT?!?!?!?! We are close and I thought we were ready to climb the ladder, but they won't get over the hump!
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Post by mariettablue on Nov 3, 2012 7:36:32 GMT -6
IMO Coach there is really nothing to be concerned about because it seems like you have the system together and some of your future core players in place. If you can, continue to implement your philosophy but just get it introduced to the players at the middle school level so when they get to you they are already familiar with the demands of the program. You improved the program basically having to break things down from someone else's system and rebuild it to your standards so I say keep it going.
The soph. you have today can be the senior leaders that you help shape. I'm not saying that this years seniors are a bad group, I'm just saying they are a product of the previous staff.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2012 9:57:08 GMT -6
The soph. you have today can be the senior leaders that you help shape. I'm not saying that this years seniors are a bad group, I'm just saying they are a product of the previous staff. He has been coaching there for 3 years if I read correctly... not sure that argument really fits here. Dawhip--I think you picked a pretty accurate topic heading. Sometimes it REALLY IS just a matter of "getting over the hump", and some factors are just beyond your control. Timing is a big one. One of the best coaches I know here in Louisiana (Wing T guru) had a very solid public school program. Top 8 in the state yearly.. but sadly for him, the two best teams he ever had coincided with Evangel Christian's "rise" to national power with the best athletes from a 3 parish (County) area.... Regarding those 6..anyway you could schedule your way out of 1 or 2 of them? Anything in common in all 6?
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Post by mariettablue on Nov 3, 2012 10:08:23 GMT -6
The soph. you have today can be the senior leaders that you help shape. I'm not saying that this years seniors are a bad group, I'm just saying they are a product of the previous staff. He has been coaching there for 3 years if I read correctly... not sure that argument really fits here. Dawhip--I think you picked a pretty accurate topic heading. Sometimes it REALLY IS just a matter of "getting over the hump", and some factors are just beyond your control. Timing is a big one. One of the best coaches I know here in Louisiana (Wing T guru) had a very solid public school program. Top 8 in the state yearly.. but sadly for him, the two best teams he ever had coincided with Evangel Christian's "rise" to national power with the best athletes from a 3 parish (County) area.... Regarding those 6..anyway you could schedule your way out of 1 or 2 of them? Anything in common in all 6? The seniors were freshmen when he got there. No change is overnight and the kids he inherited had to conform along with the staff and everyone involved so I think three years is an adequate amount of time to see your efforts. I agree with the scheduling efforts though.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2012 10:14:16 GMT -6
He has been coaching there for 3 years if I read correctly... not sure that argument really fits here. Dawhip--I think you picked a pretty accurate topic heading. Sometimes it REALLY IS just a matter of "getting over the hump", and some factors are just beyond your control. Timing is a big one. One of the best coaches I know here in Louisiana (Wing T guru) had a very solid public school program. Top 8 in the state yearly.. but sadly for him, the two best teams he ever had coincided with Evangel Christian's "rise" to national power with the best athletes from a 3 parish (County) area.... Regarding those 6..anyway you could schedule your way out of 1 or 2 of them? Anything in common in all 6? The seniors were freshmen when he got there. No change is overnight and the kids he inherited had to conform along with the staff and everyone involved so I think three years is an adequate amount of time to see your efforts. I agree with the scheduling efforts though. Don't follow your statements here. I am saying that the fact that the class of 2013 (seniors) played only one year under a different coach is pretty irrelevant. You seem to disagree, but then say 3 years is an adequate amount of time to see efforts.
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Post by mariettablue on Nov 3, 2012 10:44:46 GMT -6
Coach5085, I am stating that he had a greater influence on the kids that had no experience with the previous coach because no one knows how much impact the previous coach had on those freshmen. It is very valid because if this coach stays, all the kids will be impacted by THIS coach. How many seniors are we talking about? What was their relationship with the previous staff?
Way too many variables to focus on the kids that he inherited. He did the right thing by working on the program. I think the fact that it was done in three years shows that they believe in the coach and that things are working. If they didn't I believe he would be exiting now?
Plus if you read the coach stated that the "Seniors" were more concerned with starting the "Senior" QB than playing to win the game. So I stand by what I Thought.
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 3, 2012 11:49:35 GMT -6
1 of them was non-conference the others we got to man up with, we are in the SEC of our classification. Our county has produced usually produces 3 of the final 8 teams left. I'm just a little disappointed by the effort last night
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 3, 2012 14:31:46 GMT -6
Trust me I know how you feel
My team is driving me absolutely insane this year...
We will still make the playoffs but a win we choked away will hurt us big time in seeding and put us up against a really dominant team in the first round.
Last night we got whooped... moved the ball well on offense but had 3 trips to the red zone we didnt score on... Final score was 42-14... we get those 3 extra Scores and we are solid
We fumbled a QB sneak at the 1 foot line, and then got a false start the next play and werent able to get in
We dropped a TD in the end zone
We had a WR who stopped running his corner route... just flat out stopped... QB put a perfect back pylon ball up... it should have been a TD
and we dropped a few other passes throughout the night that stopped the chains from moving...
I had such high hopes for this year, and for taking over the offense... we are so much better than last year, and so much more consistent... Our passing numbers are about the same as a year ago and we are going to rush for over 1,000 more yards than a year ago
But we have actually scored less points this year... We are allergic to the red zone... We arent the typical spread team that cant punch it in because we lose our vertical threat... we dont have a vertical threat... all we run are the staples of most red zone offenses... we run the ball well, play action passes, sprint outs, quick slants... our problem is ourselves
We have dropped TDs, gotten penalties to take points off the board or back us up, fumbles, interceptions...kids just flat out having mental lapses
It has been the most frustrating season I have ever experienced
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Post by dubber on Nov 3, 2012 19:13:07 GMT -6
When you take a walk in the park, and you find a drinking fountain, you are pleased.
When you are drug out of your house in the middle of the night, a burlap sack is thrown over your head and someone knocks you out. Then you awake in the middle of the desert with the only thing to dull your thirst is the consistent pain you find with every step. You set your sights on the horizon and start to marching. The sun beats down, the buzzards circle, you stagger, but onward you go. You crest that first hill, and your heart sinks as all you see is an endless expanse of desert valleys. Still, onward you go. You crest that next hill, which seemed a hundred miles away, and find the same.
The idea of curling up and waiting for death crosses your mind, with a seriousness you never thought it would.
Then, you resolve to move on. The next hill, then the next, then the next....at the top of each hill that decision-to lay down and die or to go to the next hill-faces you. You spend the night in the desert, sun burnt, throat as stratchy as your sand pillow, body broke and exhausted. You awake back in hell, and again, the choice is there. A litany of hills, then finally, you crest one and see a town. A town!
You run/roll down the dune, feeling like your sprinting, though actually you are hobbling at a high rate. You can taste water. Precious, life giving water....the cool drops that will restore your sandpaper tongue.
When you get to the town, you heart sinks. If there were any excess liquids in your body, tears would stream down your face. It's a ghost town. No plumbing, no people, no relief.
You move on. Another night in the desert. You arise, and it's hill, hill, hill, hill, hill, hill........choice, choice, choice, choice, choice.
At this point, your resolve, your refusal to voluntarily yield to the elements is all that propels you.
Then, at the top of one hill, when you expect to see more desert, you see a road. A little two lane highway running through the middle of nowhere. With your last ounce of strength, you limp toward the road. You stumble and fall......your legs have failed. Gasping, you pull yourself to the shoulder of the road, collaspe, and pass out.
You awake to the sound of a car door closing. You look up and see a man, or what you think is a man, because all of your focus is on the ice cold water bottle in his hand. He gives it to you, the cap comes off, and you put the bottle to your lips.
Whatever the hell that level of appreciation is---------for all the stuggles and set backs you experienced----------THAT surpasses a 1,000 walks in the park.
That sweetness is enhanced by the stuggle. Hell, the stuggle MAKES the sweetness.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2012 22:52:21 GMT -6
Coach5085, I am stating that he had a greater influence on the kids that had no experience with the previous coach because no one knows how much impact the previous coach had on those freshmen. It is very valid because if this coach stays, all the kids will be impacted by THIS coach. How many seniors are we talking about? What was their relationship with the previous staff? Previous staff? If the previous Varsity head coach had ANY real interaction with a large number of freshmen I would be pretty surprised. I believe you currently coach youth ball, have you ever spent any time working with HS kids in a HS environment. It has been my experience in that environment that : One--most HS varsity coaches aren't coaching freshmen anyway. Two-coaching a player for his soph, jr, and sr years generally outweighs anything that occurred his freshman year. That is not such an uncommon issue. There are QB (and other position) controversies within in teams at all levels. And this wasn't even a controversey...this was just the boy's peers looking out for a classmate. I have heard of several schools starting SR's on Sr night in football and other sports and then putting in the starting underclassmen after the first drive or first few minutes etc. When I read the original post, it didn't seem like a class problem, but an overall team issue..they just aren't ready to be winners yet.
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Post by mariettablue on Nov 4, 2012 23:15:49 GMT -6
I currently coach at youth level but my experience ranges from youth to the semi pro or developmental level. I have a few years experience as an AC at the HS level.
I am from Valdosta, Ga where football is religion. Many things have changed there since my playing days but the things that made our program strong was because the HS level was the ultimate goal. The HC of the VARSITY visited the elementary schools talking to the upcoming MS kids about playing football so they could eventually play on those friday nights. This is nothing that I'm guessing will work. This is what I went through as a kid in 6th grade until I graduated.
The winning attitude was implanted in the kids at an early stage in their football lives, not just when they got to HS. It's apparent even more today that if a kid has a preconceived notion that a particular HS "sucks" they either:
A- Find a way to go to a competitive program or B- They go to the school because they know they can be one of the best players on that team.
Coach Whip I think if you can get the kids looking up to being able to one day play on your team, that will help you progress faster. Where I'm from the MS kids work hard to have a chance to play for our HS teams and they know that they have to be competitive and they come in with the right attitude. They look up to the program. You can have that also just keep pushing forward.
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