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Post by spreadopt on Oct 23, 2012 7:53:44 GMT -6
General question for all of you out there. I have noticed that the total number of multiple sport athletes at the school I coach at has been dropping dramatically over the last few years. I have a theory or two as to why. But what I want to know is what can I do as a football coach to help promote and increase the total number of multiple sport athletes in our school? Yes I would love to have more basketball players on the football team just as I am sure the track team would love more football players. The question is, how do we make this happen?
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 23, 2012 11:47:44 GMT -6
All sports are turning into year-round things... Summer and spring football & 7on7, basketball leagues all year, Fall & Spring baseball, club & school soccer, etc...
Sports are on a very thin wire right now and I hope that our society changes quickly and more of an emphasis is placed on sports and athletics in general and it gets picked up or some of our favorite sports could be in jeopardy of being dropped within the next few years.
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2012 11:57:15 GMT -6
General question for all of you out there. I have noticed that the total number of multiple sport athletes at the school I coach at has been dropping dramatically over the last few years. I have a theory or two as to why. But what I want to know is what can I do as a football coach to help promote and increase the total number of multiple sport athletes in our school? Yes I would love to have more basketball players on the football team just as I am sure the track team would love more football players. The question is, how do we make this happen? One thing I'd suggest is that you don't expect them to be football players 12 months out of the year. Unless they're in a conditioning class don't expect them to work out for football during basketball season. I'm not saying that you should allow them to miss practice during the season for basketball stuff but be aware that they will miss some summer workouts. If you want them to give a little you need to give a little.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:18:19 GMT -6
Honestly, if you want multi sport athletes, be a multi sport coach and have multi sport coaches on your staff. I am the head football and head wrestling coach and I have a HUGE carryover from football to wrestling. Probably 30 wrestlers from a program with 50-55 football players.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 23, 2012 17:09:32 GMT -6
General question for all of you out there. I have noticed that the total number of multiple sport athletes at the school I coach at has been dropping dramatically over the last few years. I have a theory or two as to why. But what I want to know is what can I do as a football coach to help promote and increase the total number of multiple sport athletes in our school? Yes I would love to have more basketball players on the football team just as I am sure the track team would love more football players. The question is, how do we make this happen? One thing I'd suggest is that you don't expect them to be football players 12 months out of the year. Unless they're in a conditioning class don't expect them to work out for football during basketball season. I'm not saying that you should allow them to miss practice during the season for basketball stuff but be aware that they will miss some summer workouts. If you want them to give a little you need to give a little. Agreed. It has to be a two-way street, you can't just complain about basketball guys not playing for you. It has to be an effort between multiple coaches. I think this year-round sports thing is actually making teams weaker, from what I've seen with it. A few kids become very well-educated in a sport, but the natural-born talent in a school is spread so thin you end up worse-off.
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Post by spreadopt on Oct 24, 2012 5:13:33 GMT -6
We have been very accommodating to the few multi-sport athletes that are in our program. We, to the best of our ability, schedule summer events around the basketball programs events. After working with the basketball program, we gave them June to focus on their summer events and we would take July to focus on ours. Is this perfect, no. But it did work for a short time. For whatever reason, we began losing basketball players. They are not playing AAU or any year-round seasons, they just aren't coming out for football. I do not understand it. It is not like our basketball program is any good anyways (usually bounced in the 1st round of the play-offs).
I am wondering how much of this is due to Pay-to-Play. Our school is in an area of the state that is struggling more than most economically and I know that we have a large percentage of our players (and student body for that mater) that are on a free/reduced lunch program.
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2012 6:31:52 GMT -6
All of the previous posts make good points.
We encourage all our players to be involved in as many sports-activities as they have interest and aptitude in. It's High School, they should do everything they can-want to.
In the Off-Season we do the bare minimum I deem necessary to be competitive come Fall.
Kids need time to be kids and play In-Season sports.
After that, I don't worry about who isn't playing anymore than who our opponents have because I can't do anything about either, only those who are on our team-care about Football and to whom it means something.
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 24, 2012 7:21:41 GMT -6
Honestly, if you want multi sport athletes, be a multi sport coach and have multi sport coaches on your staff. I am the head football and head wrestling coach and I have a HUGE carryover from football to wrestling. Probably 30 wrestlers from a program with 50-55 football players. I hired the head Lax coach as an assistant...wasn't the most knowledgeable about football but was just a good coach. I was also friendly w/ the basketball coach, so we would plan camps so we wouldn't conflict..Our school also had multiple sports lift together. I opened the weightroom in the am and had a team of guys open it in the PM
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 24, 2012 7:33:23 GMT -6
It's tough when the basketball coach is telling kids to NOT play football. Our HC in football has told all of our kids though that he expects them to play more than one sport. He was a 3-sport athlete in high school and he feels that was what got him an athletic scholarship.
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 24, 2012 8:14:46 GMT -6
Here is my completely un-scientific theory on what is happening to the participation levels in High School sports these days. First of all, I don't blame kids 100%. I believe that coaches and the "sports attitude" of the school system carry the burden of a lot of this situation.
Say a kid is a basketball player (or whatever sport you want to insert here), loves the game no matter who is coaching. Just wants to play basketball. You will never run him off from the program, but it is the kids who are playing for the fun of playing HS basketball that get ran off or put off because of a dictator type of coach. At a small school, you have to have those type of kids in your program. Say the coach is one of those "You have to commit year 'round to my program!" type of guys. Guess what, the kid makes another choice of activities. If there isn't a payoff for the kid, he will not participate. That payoff may be being with his friends, game night, brotherly bonding who knows, but you can not run him off.
This happens all of the time and you hear it all of the time from kids you are trying to recruit for another sport at your school. And before you say, "Well, kids are just soft or can't take coaching or blah blah blah". Think about it, we all have kids who could be playing another sport, but everyone who is in that sport hates it. I can't blame a kid for that.
Coaches have to make the activity/sport rewarding. We have to be involved and interested (genuinely interested) in the kids. We have to articulate what they will be gaining in their life long term by being in your program. They have to know that there will be hard work, bruises and blood, but it will be worth it.
And all of the sports have to be on that same marketing path, because that is what you are doing is marketing athletics in your school. That is where the administration comes into play. All AD's should be more in tuned to marketing the sports programs to the kids, parents and community-in that order. Get coaches together, see what works and what doesn't in each sport. Put together a recruiting plan and get to work. If you have coaches who run kids off, identify the problem and solve it.
Another topic is that I think kids are so convinced these days that even if they are 5' 1" 120 lbs, they are going to get called by Mack Brown any moment to be a starting line backer. But that is a whole 'nother topic.
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Post by coachklee on Oct 24, 2012 13:09:14 GMT -6
All sports are turning into year-round things... Summer and spring football & 7on7, basketball leagues all year, Fall & Spring baseball, club & school soccer, etc... Sports are on a very thin wire right now and I hope that our society changes quickly and more of an emphasis is placed on sports and athletics in general and it gets picked up or some of our favorite sports could be in jeopardy of being dropped within the next few years. I think tradition will keep sports programs at most schools, but I've been thinking the same thing in regards to high school sports...especially in districts that are in financial trouble, I could see sports programs cut completely. Up here in Michigan, I'm pretty sure very few basketball and football programs at the many small school districts that are still open pay for themselves. I do know that many schools have either cut coaching paying, cut all coaching salaries and cut back the funding for their sports programs. A few schools have put it on all of their sports teams to find their own transportation for away events (either fundraising money goes towards paying for the school bus operation and bus driver or coaches find enough parents/guardians to car pool). I suppose I'd coach for free, but my wife wouldn't let me do that...and not sure that coaching some AAU type team would be the same as coaching the team that represents a school and it's community. Ultimately, I believe that some schools...especially smaller schools...are absolutely devestated by having coaches fight over athletes to become committed year round to their sport. In the supposedly better situations it results in one sport maybe being state champion caliber with the other sports being extremely lousy, but in most cases it often results in all of the sports programs struggling to compete. Getting more multi-sport athletes is all about people. Like others have said the key is relationships with student-athletes and relationships with the coaches of other sports.
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Post by brophy on Oct 24, 2012 15:31:56 GMT -6
Anybody suggest just showing up to other sports kids are playing at your school and maybe take an interst in those players? I know when basketball players see asst fb coaches at their games they actually take notice and feel like they can approach those.coaches later
Help the other sports out (volunteer for.fundraisers/concessions,etc) and they will be.more.willing to.see football as an entire school sport
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 24, 2012 18:27:00 GMT -6
Anybody suggest just showing up to other sports kids are playing at your school and maybe take an interst in those players? I know when basketball players see asst fb coaches at their games they actually take notice and feel like they can approach those.coaches later Help the other sports out (volunteer for.fundraisers/concessions,etc) and they will be.more.willing to.see football as an entire school sport I actively recruit for other sports, just the other night I worked on a kid to play baseball this year who didn't play last year. I had a conversation with the new baseball HC and he was one of the kids he wanted, I had him at football and talked him up. We work a lot with the wrestling, and I personally go to as many sports as I can (I am not a teacher). I won't recruit for basketball though, you can't find that coach around here during the off season with a search warrant!
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Post by silkyice on Oct 24, 2012 19:06:08 GMT -6
Simple:
Everyone lifts year round.
We encourage every kid to play any sport he wants to play.
If a coach encourages a kid to not play a sport, he will be fired.
We have tons of baseball players that play football. 4 of those guys also ran track during baseball season. Baseball played in the state championship series and track won state and football won the region last year. Most of my best football players play basketball. Have a 9th grade RB that won varsity tennis state championship as an 8th grader. It can be done.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 25, 2012 2:58:15 GMT -6
Simple: Everyone lifts year round. We encourage every kid to play any sport he wants to play. If a coach encourages a kid to not play a sport, he will be fired. Yup. I understand that some places don't have football as a class, so year round lifting can cause issues with other sports, but I don't believe in discouraging kids from playing other sports so missing some lifts would be the compromise in those situations. There's no reason to have conflicts between sports from your end, provided you're willing to compromise and be creative/industrious. You can't control the other coach, though.
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