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Post by mariettablue on Oct 9, 2012 23:39:59 GMT -6
Let me paint the picture real quick. We played our (by virtue of record) toughest opponent this past weekend. We were both 6-0 and seemed to be pretty evenly matched. We on defense had only given up 26 points in the 6 wins and avg about 30 ppg. We were behind 20-6 at halftime and ended up 32-32 at regulation. We had a chance to win with the extra point but we ended up losing in OT. That haunted me because our kids didn't quit and our top two players came in the game injured and they played a heck of a game as they combined to score all our points.
After I thought about what else could I have done as OC to get us on top I realized that something was missing..... I didn't remember the DC calling out one single blitz the entire game. In every other game we played we blitzed several times except this one. The other teams off line was big but they were slow. Their backs were pretty fast and didn't really break tackles but we allowed them to hit their top speed before our defense was in position.
I talked to the DC about it and he felt like we didn't need to blitz them but I disagreed especially because all their scores from one of their backs came from the same play and formation. So if any coach wants to chime in and give your opinion because I am still dumbfounded as to why he never made that adjustment.
I was blaming myself as far as if I could have done more on the off side but I feel like the lack of aggression on Def is what hurt us......Comments and Thoughts..
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Post by realdawg on Oct 10, 2012 4:09:48 GMT -6
My opinion is its a team game. Lay off your dc. It will only cause problems on your staff. Set the example for the kids. You win or lose together. I am sure at some point you are gonna lose a game 6 to 0. Just get over it
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Post by pb77 on Oct 10, 2012 4:40:42 GMT -6
Agree, its the offense's job to score one more point then the defense gives up and vice versa.
Look at it this way......what if the DC came to you and asked "Well why didn't we do__________ more? Because I feel if we ____________ more, we would had won the game."
How would you react, how would you feel?
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Post by blue22 on Oct 10, 2012 5:40:40 GMT -6
I rarely know what my DC calls I let him have full reighn its his baby Sure sometimes I wouldnt make some of the calls he does but i keep my mouth shut. I might make a scouting reminder in situations, but thats how coaches grow by learning not having someone looking over your shoulder its always easier to look at the game afterwards in 20/20 vision I do it every time i watch film of the game.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 6:00:53 GMT -6
I know it's a team game win or lose so that is not in question. It doesn't matter after the fact but you do have to analyze what needs to be done or what could have been done different.
There was no big discussion or anything with the DC. I looked over everything that I was responsible for and yes I could have done a few different things but I take full responsibility. All I did was bring that to his attention and all he could say was "we couldn't have...."
Myself and other coaches ,I found out after the game, pointed out that they were attacking our weakest DE when they ran that one formation. No change was made until the end of the third.
The only thing that bothered me during the game was that he jumped into three offensive timeouts that were called and talked about when "we get back out on defense......" I was trying to set up strategy to move the ball and he cut my time. I didn't say anything because it wasn't the conducive to bring up but the HC said something about it to the DC.
I'm not jumping on or coming down on the DC but if the player didn't do his job because he didn't try, who's responsibility is it?
These were my thoughts and I didn't discuss any more with the DC. I accepted what he said but I'm asking the board.
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Post by blb on Oct 10, 2012 6:35:06 GMT -6
The head coach is the only one who can go into another coach's area and criticize or comment.
If you feel another unit's performance is affecting yours, discuss it with the header.
Otherwise just do your job.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 10, 2012 6:54:53 GMT -6
I would let the HC discuss it with him, not the OC....Now you may be very good friends with the DC and have the relationship where you can have a couple beers and talk about what both of you did that worked and what didn't, but if your relationship with him ends when you leave football then just let it go and let the HC handle it.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 10, 2012 7:21:43 GMT -6
So you missed the PAT to win the game and you want to blame the DC??
WOW!
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 7:24:28 GMT -6
Agree, its the offense's job to score one more point then the defense gives up and vice versa. Look at it this way......what if the DC came to you and asked "Well why didn't we do__________ more? Because I feel if we ____________ more, we would had won the game." How would you react, how would you feel? Well to tell the truth the extra point play was questioned by the DC because it would have won the game for us. The HC and DC felt like my extra point play should be different. They felt like we should run power and get the sure one (which there is no sure). I liked having the option for the 1 or the 2 (WB fake 26/45 power, TE flats and 4/2 back flare). I went with the suggestion and at the end of the day it was on me because I made the call and felt bad cause my gut instinct said otherwise, but it's still on me. So when I was asked all I said was yeah I thought about it several ways but when you tie it up with only 2 seconds on the clock and no time outs, I did what I could. I'm not mad because It comes with the position. |
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Post by veerman on Oct 10, 2012 7:25:33 GMT -6
Agree with most, not your place. If problems with something talk to your boss. Not a fan of him coming into huddle during timeout, but do most of your players play both ways? How many timeouts does DC usually take to make adjustments? If he does not get to talk to his players that much and sees an opportunity can't blame him for trying to make adjustments...just trying to get a cleaner picture.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 7:36:43 GMT -6
So you missed the PAT to win the game and you want to blame the DC?? WOW! Coach I'm asking for thoughts, not issuing blame! I could have gone with another play and take full responsibility. They scored on every possession except 1 (fumble in the second half). We scored on every one except 2 in the first half (1 punt, 1 fumble). Defense wins Championships |
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 10, 2012 7:38:57 GMT -6
You win as a team and you lose as a team.
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Post by coachroberts99 on Oct 10, 2012 7:54:51 GMT -6
Yeah, close games hurt, but the fact is two 6-0 teams played, someone had to lose and it was as close as it can get.... The fact is, if you had won by 1 you (assuming you're the same as the rest of us, lol) would be talking about a great, gritty win when we had to dig in and get the job done.
As everyone has said, it's the HC's job to discuss prior to the game the strategy, then after the game what went well and if you were on message with the stategy.... But it is what it is, so wouldn't be getting on the DC's case.
Personally I would go after the kicker/holder/long snapper and run him out of town on a rail for wrecking your season.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 8:02:04 GMT -6
Agree with most, not your place. If problems with something talk to your boss. Not a fan of him coming into huddle during timeout, but do most of your players play both ways? How many timeouts does DC usually take to make adjustments? If he does not get to talk to his players that much and sees an opportunity can't blame him for trying to make adjustments...just trying to get a cleaner picture. He actually calls more timeouts than I do in a game because my regular QB doesn't play Def so I can work with him. This game I used 3 because I had to use the third and emergency QB to do the job cause of injuries but most games I may use 1. The only thing I ask is to have the last timeout in both halves and I always take whatever time is leftover at halftime if I get any. I have a read on the defense and I make my adjustments during the play so I don't need as much time. There are key players that play both ways. The starting 4 LB are on my O line. The DE they were attacking doesn't play on offense. I mentioned it to the HC and it's his to deal with but I'm not trying to issue blame. I'm not asking anyone to choose sides. I just feel like if you gave up 4 points a game and it turns to 38 in this game.... that somewhere in there someone has to own it even in a team loss. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 10, 2012 8:06:07 GMT -6
It's not your role to discuss with the DC. If you have an issue over it, discuss it with the HC. It's HIS job.
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Post by gdoggwr on Oct 10, 2012 8:06:52 GMT -6
OK. I've been an OC, and I been in shootouts that have gone both ways. I've also OC'd a goose-egg in a one score game. So I'm going to give you my opinion of the situation from my own experiences.
As soon as you cross that line and say (even to yourself), "the offense played well enough to win, but the defense didn't do their job, its not MY fault." you're not being an OC anymore, buy a ticket and go b!tch at the coaches with the rest of the fans. That may sound harsh but its true.
Were you part of the defensive game-planning? Are you normally a blitzing defense? Are you aware of what situations the blitzes in previous weeks were called? Why they were called in previous weeks? Worry about YOUR job and what YOU can control. Making sure that you don't lose drives because of fumbles for example. I suppose its possible that you called a perfect game, but you clearly didn't execute a perfect game. So STFU and go fix the offensive mistakes... let the DC worry about fixing the problems with the defense.
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Post by kyle on Oct 10, 2012 8:21:07 GMT -6
Let me paint the picture real quick. We played our (by virtue of record) toughest opponent this past weekend. We were both 6-0 and seemed to be pretty evenly matched. We on defense had only given up 26 points in the 6 wins and avg about 30 ppg. We were behind 20-6 at halftime and ended up 32-32 at regulation. We had a chance to win with the extra point but we ended up losing in OT. That haunted me because our kids didn't quit and our top two players came in the game injured and they played a heck of a game as they combined to score all our points. After I thought about what else could I have done as OC to get us on top I realized that something was missing..... I didn't remember the DC calling out one single blitz the entire game. In every other game we played we blitzed several times except this one. The other teams off line was big but they were slow. Their backs were pretty fast and didn't really break tackles but we allowed them to hit their top speed before our defense was in position. I talked to the DC about it and he felt like we didn't need to blitz them but I disagreed especially because all their scores from one of their backs came from the same play and formation. So if any coach wants to chime in and give your opinion because I am still dumbfounded as to why he never made that adjustment. I was blaming myself as far as if I could have done more on the off side but I feel like the lack of aggression on Def is what hurt us......Comments and Thoughts.. Blitzing is a philosophy. Some people love to blitz, and others don't. That's like saying, "I don't like your spread offense because it makes the players soft." It's not really constructive criticism to tell him to challenge his philosophy. If you really want to comment on his defense, then take a genuine interest in what each player is supposed be doing and offer some suggestions on how he can help. And make sure you do it in a polite way. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 8:22:50 GMT -6
OK. I've been an OC, and I been in shootouts that have gone both ways. I've also OC'd a goose-egg in a one score game. So I'm going to give you my opinion of the situation from my own experiences. As soon as you cross that line and say (even to yourself), "the offense played well enough to win, but the defense didn't do their job, its not MY fault." you're not being an OC anymore, buy a ticket and go b!tch at the coaches with the rest of the fans. That may sound harsh but its true. Were you part of the defensive game-planning? Are you normally a blitzing defense? Are you aware of what situations the blitzes in previous weeks were called? Why they were called in previous weeks? Worry about YOUR job and what YOU can control. Making sure that you don't lose drives because of fumbles for example. I suppose its possible that you called a perfect game, but you clearly didn't execute a perfect game. So STFU and go fix the offensive mistakes... let the DC worry about fixing the problems with the defense. Actually I also go and do the scouting for upcoming games Coach. My reports include formations, plays and key players. For this Game there was also another coach who gave a similar report because they scrimmaged this team (Outer League) and beat them 28 - 0. They beat them by stunting the OLB and DE because they are an outside running team and they depended on 1 player. And yes We are a blitzing team. have two main blitzes and we have run them every game at least twice. I do my job so I don't have to STFU. If your DC was told that their RB was the second fastest sprinter in the state and they only run him outside??? In this formation....and you had this info for 3 weeks??? |
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Post by gdoggwr on Oct 10, 2012 8:42:22 GMT -6
OK. I've been an OC, and I been in shootouts that have gone both ways. I've also OC'd a goose-egg in a one score game. So I'm going to give you my opinion of the situation from my own experiences. As soon as you cross that line and say (even to yourself), "the offense played well enough to win, but the defense didn't do their job, its not MY fault." you're not being an OC anymore, buy a ticket and go b!tch at the coaches with the rest of the fans. That may sound harsh but its true. Were you part of the defensive game-planning? Are you normally a blitzing defense? Are you aware of what situations the blitzes in previous weeks were called? Why they were called in previous weeks? Worry about YOUR job and what YOU can control. Making sure that you don't lose drives because of fumbles for example. I suppose its possible that you called a perfect game, but you clearly didn't execute a perfect game. So STFU and go fix the offensive mistakes... let the DC worry about fixing the problems with the defense. Actually I also go and do the scouting for upcoming games Coach. My reports include formations, plays and key players. For this Game there was also another coach who gave a similar report because they scrimmaged this team (Outer League) and beat them 28 - 0. They beat them by stunting the OLB and DE because they are an outside running team and they depended on 1 player. And yes We are a blitzing team. have two main blitzes and we have run them every game at least twice. I do my job so I don't have to STFU. If your DC was told that their RB was the second fastest sprinter in the state and they only run him outside??? In this formation....and you had this info for 3 weeks??? I didn't ask you if you scouted. I asked you if you knew what their game-plan was. Among other things. My point was you've got enough things to worry about as the OC, the defensive game planning isn't one of them. You said that the opponent scored on every possession except one in the second half. Which means they scored off of your offense's fumble. That's a 14 point swing. It unreasonable to expect no punts, but completely reasonable to expect zero turnovers. I know its frustrating. Games like that suck, but its an attitude thing, if the players pick up on it they start doubting the DC or even worse, doubting themselves. Doubt is infectious. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 8:43:07 GMT -6
Let me paint the picture real quick. We played our (by virtue of record) toughest opponent this past weekend. We were both 6-0 and seemed to be pretty evenly matched. We on defense had only given up 26 points in the 6 wins and avg about 30 ppg. We were behind 20-6 at halftime and ended up 32-32 at regulation. We had a chance to win with the extra point but we ended up losing in OT. That haunted me because our kids didn't quit and our top two players came in the game injured and they played a heck of a game as they combined to score all our points. After I thought about what else could I have done as OC to get us on top I realized that something was missing..... I didn't remember the DC calling out one single blitz the entire game. In every other game we played we blitzed several times except this one. The other teams off line was big but they were slow. Their backs were pretty fast and didn't really break tackles but we allowed them to hit their top speed before our defense was in position. I talked to the DC about it and he felt like we didn't need to blitz them but I disagreed especially because all their scores from one of their backs came from the same play and formation. So if any coach wants to chime in and give your opinion because I am still dumbfounded as to why he never made that adjustment. I was blaming myself as far as if I could have done more on the off side but I feel like the lack of aggression on Def is what hurt us......Comments and Thoughts.. Blitzing is a philosophy. Some people love to blitz, and others don't. That's like saying, "I don't like your spread offense because it makes the players soft." It's not really constructive criticism to tell him to challenge his philosophy. If you really want to comment on his defense, then take a genuine interest in what each player is supposed be doing and offer some suggestions on how he can help. And make sure you do it in a polite way. I appreciate your critique of the situation and in the kind manner. I just mentioned it to the DC to get his thoughts on it and because we are normally a blitzing team. Once he answered me I left it alone because at the end of the day it was his call. I'm a Double wing /power I kind of guy and they are wishbone/ spread lovers and I try to input a play or two from what they like because I want them to be involved. There is no problems between the DC and I but I just wanted someone else's take on the situation. Thanks again. I feel like some of the coaches here see the Freshman tag and automatically assume that you have no experience and feel like they can message you any kind of way. |
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Post by blb on Oct 10, 2012 8:48:56 GMT -6
I do my job so I don't have to STFU. Good for you. You asked for "comments and thoughts." You got them, and obviously don't like them because nobody told you you are in the right. In other words you wanted affirmation, not information. So enough of this thread already. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 9:03:33 GMT -6
Actually I also go and do the scouting for upcoming games Coach. My reports include formations, plays and key players. For this Game there was also another coach who gave a similar report because they scrimmaged this team (Outer League) and beat them 28 - 0. They beat them by stunting the OLB and DE because they are an outside running team and they depended on 1 player. And yes We are a blitzing team. have two main blitzes and we have run them every game at least twice. I do my job so I don't have to STFU. If your DC was told that their RB was the second fastest sprinter in the state and they only run him outside??? In this formation....and you had this info for 3 weeks??? I didn't ask you if you scouted. I asked you if you knew what their game-plan was. Among other things. My point was you've got enough things to worry about as the OC, the defensive game planning isn't one of them. You said that the opponent scored on every possession except one in the second half. Which means they scored off of your offense's fumble. That's a 14 point swing. It unreasonable to expect no punts, but completely reasonable to expect zero turnovers. I know its frustrating. Games like that suck, but its an attitude thing, if the players pick up on it they start doubting the DC or even worse, doubting themselves. Doubt is infectious. I agree with this comment. This is why I asked the coaches of this board because I only asked the DC once and when He answered I left it alone and brought it here. There was no more conversation with the DC about it and when I asked him it was just the two of us present. I asked him if he realized that we didn't blitz? He said they would have killed us if we did blitz. I didn't say another word. I picked up on what the other team was doing because I use some of the same strategies so it was familiar. The league we are in and I'm sure others as well tend to place their less experienced players on their own sideline so they can coach them up. I like sending power off tackle and running tosses straight at those players. They found our weak link and attacked it also. They tried to adjust but I kept an eye on their adjustments. I don't think we adjusted enough. And the only thing that's being picked up on by the masses and I agree with them is that "If we would have made that extra point". I don't have a problem with that. I'll take responsibility for that but you still have to go back and look at everything else that could have been a factor. If that kid didn't fumble even though he was playing with bruised ribs (scored 3 tds) we would have____! This kid was a positive and a negative impact on the game but he owns all of it, the good and the bad, Right! Thanks for the comment |
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Post by CS on Oct 10, 2012 9:12:21 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with blb. You did that on the last thread you posted. If nobody agrees with you you make a ton of excuses and talk yourself up like you never make a mistake or the other coaches are just plain fools. I agree as a dc with everyone on here. It isn't your place to talk to me about my calls if you don't know what the plan is. I imagine I would ask why you didn't score on every possession. Or why didn't you keep the ball longer and keep their offense off the field
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 9:45:55 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with blb. You did that on the last thread you posted. If nobody agrees with you you make a ton of excuses and talk yourself up like you never make a mistake or the other coaches are just plain fools. I agree as a dc with everyone on here. It isn't your place to talk to me about my calls if you don't know what the plan is. I imagine I would ask why you didn't score on every possession. Or why didn't you keep the ball longer and keep their offense off the field Obviously you can't read or your just a jerk who thinks they know everything. I took ownership for whatever is that was my responsibility. I said that over and over again. Get your panties out a bunch but I'm guessing that you like that anyways??? I have been a DC and I help provide the scouting reports including film to be used so that we can gameplan. You are an A-Hole who is taking this way to serious and you know nothing about me. I can disagree with anyone as well as you but at least I'm not following you around with some of your dumba$$ posts just so I can have something to say about it. I joined this forum because I thought it was meant for coaches to huddle. I'm not nor will I ever be mistake free and just because I differ in opinion doesn't mean that I think anyones a fool but I do think that your an A-Hole who needs to stay off my posts. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 9:55:44 GMT -6
I do my job so I don't have to STFU. Good for you. You asked for "comments and thoughts." You got them, and obviously don't like them because nobody told you you are in the right. In other words you wanted affirmation, not information. So enough of this thread already. I don't need to be right!!! I didn't ask for Affirmation or information!! I asked for other coaches takes on this situation not to bash the DC. I questioned myself so I have the right to question decisions made by everyone especially if we are a team. If I did something wrong it's my fault! and if I failed to do something and it caused something then that failure was my fault. Some of you guys are just in attack mode I guess because your an Executive member and I'm a Freshmen means that you have the right to belittle my posts. I have as much playing and coaching experience as most of the members on here. I give respect but I don't have to accept disrespect. Enough of you already Thank you |
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 10, 2012 10:12:33 GMT -6
I talked to the DC about it and he felt like we didn't need to blitz them but I disagreed especially because all their scores from one of their backs came from the same play and formation. So if any coach wants to chime in and give your opinion because I am still dumbfounded as to why he never made that adjustment. I'm not familiar with the inner-workings of a youth team coaching staff but seems like he has an opinion, you have a different one. he felt what he did was justifiable. you feel otherwise. outside of him vs you in the discussion nothing else matters. how can i possibly comment on his game plan & decision making without seeing the game. "blitz" is the answer? how could a coach on this board validate your assertion without having seen the game? all we see is someone questioning the coaching ability of another coach on their staff - hence the 'attacking' you are claiming. bottom line, it is a staff dynamic that we can't comment on because I'm not on your staff. all we can go on is what we would do if it happened on our own staffs. better question might be "is it professional for me to question our dc on a public forum?" |
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Post by CS on Oct 10, 2012 10:30:40 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with blb. You did that on the last thread you posted. If nobody agrees with you you make a ton of excuses and talk yourself up like you never make a mistake or the other coaches are just plain fools. I agree as a dc with everyone on here. It isn't your place to talk to me about my calls if you don't know what the plan is. I imagine I would ask why you didn't score on every possession. Or why didn't you keep the ball longer and keep their offense off the field Obviously you can't read or your just a jerk who thinks they know everything. I took ownership for whatever is that was my responsibility. I said that over and over again. Get your panties out a bunch but I'm guessing that you like that anyways??? I have been a DC and I help provide the scouting reports including film to be used so that we can gameplan. You are an A-Hole who is taking this way to serious and you know nothing about me. I can disagree with anyone as well as you but at least I'm not following you around with some of your dumba$$ posts just so I can have something to say about it. I joined this forum because I thought it was meant for coaches to huddle. I'm not nor will I ever be mistake free and just because I differ in opinion doesn't mean that I think anyones a fool but I do think that your an A-Hole who needs to stay off my posts. I'm an a-hole that takes it to serious? Look at your post man. |
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Post by 19delta on Oct 10, 2012 11:10:51 GMT -6
Good for you. You asked for "comments and thoughts." You got them, and obviously don't like them because nobody told you you are in the right. In other words you wanted affirmation, not information. So enough of this thread already. I don't need to be right!!! I didn't ask for Affirmation or information!! I asked for other coaches takes on this situation not to bash the DC. I questioned myself so I have the right to question decisions made by everyone especially if we are a team. If I did something wrong it's my fault! and if I failed to do something and it caused something then that failure was my fault. Some of you guys are just in attack mode I guess because your an Executive member and I'm a Freshmen means that you have the right to belittle my posts. I have as much playing and coaching experience as most of the members on here. I give respect but I don't have to accept disrespect. Enough of you already Thank you |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 11:16:01 GMT -6
Obviously you can't read or your just a jerk who thinks they know everything. I took ownership for whatever is that was my responsibility. I said that over and over again. Get your panties out a bunch but I'm guessing that you like that anyways??? I have been a DC and I help provide the scouting reports including film to be used so that we can gameplan. You are an A-Hole who is taking this way to serious and you know nothing about me. I can disagree with anyone as well as you but at least I'm not following you around with some of your dumba$$ posts just so I can have something to say about it. I joined this forum because I thought it was meant for coaches to huddle. I'm not nor will I ever be mistake free and just because I differ in opinion doesn't mean that I think anyones a fool but I do think that your an A-Hole who needs to stay off my posts. I'm an a-hole that takes it to serious? Look at your post man. Like I stated you Said I make excuses when I clearly said that I take responsibility for whatever mistakes I made and could have called a different play during the game (mentioned several times). I didn't say the O scored on every possession! I didn't say why we didn't other than explaining that the kid that fumbled had bruised ribs but scored three times when he very well didn't have to play or play as hard as he did!! Your opinion was prejudged bv a comment from blb who only pulled one line from what I said and then YOU added "You did that on the last thread, you want to be right......". I didn't ask YOU personally to agree or disagree with me or to even READ it. Someone asked me questions that I answered. They said they asked the questions to give them a clearer understanding and you jump in on the a-hole end and then comment. This is the same thing YOU did on MY last post so yeah!! YOU are an a-hole and a stalker. So I will respectfully give you the last word if you choose and then after that "DON'T COMMENT ON ANYTHING FROM ME, I DON"T NEED YOUR INPUT" but if you do I will respectfully ignore you. Thank You |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 10, 2012 11:22:04 GMT -6
I talked to the DC about it and he felt like we didn't need to blitz them but I disagreed especially because all their scores from one of their backs came from the same play and formation. So if any coach wants to chime in and give your opinion because I am still dumbfounded as to why he never made that adjustment. all we can go on is what we would do if it happened on our own staffs. ; This was the root of my Question Coach Huey. If it happened on your own staff. |
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