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Post by 19delta on Oct 8, 2012 13:02:30 GMT -6
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 8, 2012 13:30:54 GMT -6
It's Michigan...not sure about the whole story but from the article I would say that the coaching staff at the losing school should be punished. They never should have confronted the other coaching staff and definitely never should have let the players come with them. I have been a part of things getting scrappy on the field and there are some things coaches can't control but confronting the other staff definitely isn't one of them.
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Post by newhope on Oct 8, 2012 13:39:00 GMT -6
Both coaching staffs are to blame. You score to make it 50-28 with only a few seconds left? You need your butt kicked (of course, not by a player and not at the game--you just need somebody somewhere to kick your butt). The losing staff lets players come on the field and join in a confrontation? In my humble opinion, the player should not be the only one who does not get to continue the season. There are plenty of adults here who need to join him.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 8, 2012 14:03:34 GMT -6
It's Michigan...not sure about the whole story but from the article I would say that the coaching staff at the losing school should be punished. They never should have confronted the other coaching staff and definitely never should have let the players come with them. I have been a part of things getting scrappy on the field and there are some things coaches can't control but confronting the other staff definitely isn't one of them. Sorry...I saw "Oakland" and just assumed it was California.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 8, 2012 16:07:27 GMT -6
I think sometimes I'm in an alternate universe where football coaches don't think their actions have ANY effect on the kids. That their bad sportsmanship of blowing people out and running up the score is JUST FINE and teaches great sportsmanship?
Then, you get jack wagons like the losing side?
I don't know guys, are the inmates running the asylum? This past week I had the HC of our opponent talking trash to MY players during the game? Really? What planet did this jerk fall off of...Uranus?
No excuse for running up the score, no excuse for starting a fight. Everybody should be fired in all direction.
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Post by coachbuck on Oct 8, 2012 16:23:42 GMT -6
I've been experiencing this at the youth level. Coaches trash talking our players. It got so bad one game I called timeout and called the white cap and game field commisioner over to stop the incident. The opposing coaches response was I can say whatever I want. This was a game we where up 21 nothing first qtr. I took out my starters and used second offense rest of game. 4th qtr coach will not stop running his mouth we win 28 to 14 nd could hve been 50 to zero. Im also seeing alot more coaches trying to run up the score. Up over 30 points and onside kicking the ball. It irritates the heck out of me.
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Post by airman on Oct 8, 2012 16:38:35 GMT -6
I am confused? It says with stoney creek leading 35-7 late in the 4th quarter. Then they say it was 50-28 final? Must be late in the 3rd quarter. That must have been an interesting 4th quarter as 43 points were scored.
Another sentence I find interesting is" some witnesses say the situation was egged on by the stoney creek coaching staff"
I realize what passes for journalism is garbage these days but making such an accusation with out proper evidence is cause for possible slander.
I do not consider this game a blowout to be honest. 43 points were scored between the two teams in the 4th quarter alone. It is appears WB was trying hard to get back in the game.
I also think this is an excellent example of how failure to control your thoughts gets you into situations which can have legal consequences.
You alone are responsible for your thoughts and thoughts lead to actions. It is tuff this free will thing.
Stoney Creek coaches should have just walked away. He who shuts his mouth ends the argument.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 8, 2012 17:48:09 GMT -6
I think sometimes I'm in an alternate universe where football coaches don't think their actions have ANY effect on the kids. That their bad sportsmanship of blowing people out and running up the score is JUST FINE and teaches great sportsmanship? Then, you get jack wagons like the losing side? I don't know guys, are the inmates running the asylum? This past week I had the HC of our opponent talking trash to MY players during the game? Really? What planet did this jerk fall off of...Uranus? No excuse for running up the score, no excuse for starting a fight. Everybody should be fired in all direction. Coach, I have to respectfully ask, who clearly ran up the score? Remember, the losing team was the team that kicked the meaningless onsides. It didn't say how the one team scored or who was doing the scoring (could have easily been the seconds running their base plays). If you are not purposely blowing people out then how is that bad sportsmanship? Sometimes you just have your nights where you are better than the other team or you are clicking far more than the other team, most coaches don't leave their firsts in and chuck it deep when they are up big or onside kick it just to onside kick it. What's the cut off on an OK amount to win by? I have been on the wrong side of blowouts more than I'd like to admit and most if not all times would I say that the coaches on the other side where not purposely running it up or being poor sports.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 8, 2012 17:53:07 GMT -6
As far as coaches talking smack to players, completely inexcusable and appalling. How some of them find it ok or hold on to jobs is beyond me.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 8, 2012 21:40:02 GMT -6
I also don't think 50-28 is a blowout. 50 now-a-days isn't that big a score. I recently read where some team down here in Florida won 92-6 now THAT should be banned right there.
Yeah, fballcoachg I got kinda' confused on that article myself, it's not well written. I've been on the wrongside of blowouts myself, it's ugly. BUT, when you are winning by this much, don't go in to score with seconds left, take a knee-have some class.
What makes me upset is when we are getting beat bad, and I put in "the little boys" and the other team continues with their starters heavin' it deep. THAT right there is a "fire starter"
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Post by fantom on Oct 8, 2012 22:04:13 GMT -6
I also don't think 50-28 is a blowout. 50 now-a-days isn't that big a score. I recently read where some team down here in Florida won 92-6 now THAT should be banned right there. Yeah, fballcoachg I got kinda' confused on that article myself, it's not well written. I've been on the wrongside of blowouts myself, it's ugly. BUT, when you are winning by this much, don't go in to score with seconds left, take a knee-have some class. /quote] It was the losing team that scored late.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 8, 2012 22:34:43 GMT -6
Read the article, lemme see if I'm fully understanding the events:
SC is up 35-7 in the 4th quarter, final score is 50-28. So, both side traded scores 3 times in the fourth quarter, implying that the game wasn't exactly competitive since SC was basically scoring at will.
WB attempts an onside with ~15s left on the clock, during which there are 2 personal fouls assessed against WB. No word on who recovered?
Refs call the game, declaring SC winner.
SC coaches order their players off the field.
WB coaches take offense and confront SC coaches, WB players are in the vicinity.
During the altercation, WB coach is knocked out and a SC player is locked up.
My thoughts: Without knowing exactly what transpired with the WB coaches during the game, the WB coaches' conduct indicates that while they may not have been entirely 'sportsmanlike' for nixing the postgame handshake, they were ultimately concerned with player safety and moving on from an ugly game. SC coaches were out of line for confronting the WB coaches with players present. The escalation of the situation to where someone needed to be separated physically is both sides fault, but the initial fault of the SC coaches is magnified by this.
If we are supposed to be the leaders and role models of our programs, this kind of behavior is inexcusable.
I'll offer this question: putting yourself in the shoes of the SC (winning coaches), what options do you have in this kind of situation where a game has ended on an extremely chippy, sour note? How do you handle the immediate aftermath of such a game in a way that is non-offensive and safe for your players?
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Post by contrariancoach on Oct 9, 2012 0:11:38 GMT -6
Somewhat related question here:
Coaches, from your individual perspectives, what is a bigger indicator of a coach attempting to run the score up, the personnel in the game or the plays being called/clock management?
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Post by coachseth on Oct 9, 2012 2:31:15 GMT -6
What makes me upset is when we are getting beat bad, and I put in "the little boys" and the other team continues with their starters heavin' it deep. THAT right there is a "fire starter" I don't know, personally I like having my younger guys in there against their first team starters...it gives them good experience even when we are losing, and at the end of the day experience is the best teacher. Back on topic. We've been blown out, and we've blown people out but at the end of the game we always shake hands because that's just the right thing to do. Most of the time when I have a problem with something it happens between myself and the officials, I find that the officials are more irritating than the other coaches. Ran up scores don't bother me as much as people taking a knee on us. I feel like every play is a chance to learn, and when you take a knee we don't hardly learn anything. I normally don't confront other coaching staffs, there never really is a reason to do so. But when I do, I always find a way to do it AWAY from the action.
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Post by newhope on Oct 9, 2012 5:57:52 GMT -6
I read the article wrong and didn't get it right which team scored at the end. That might change the "running up the score" perspective. There's still plenty wrong with the adults at this game.
Sometimes we also get more involved with what's running up the score rather than what's good sportsmanship. Sometimes as coaches we let our own emotions make things personal that adversely affect our behavior and that of our players.
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Post by gdoggwr on Oct 10, 2012 10:22:42 GMT -6
So the losing team scores late and onsides, gets two personal fouls, then comes across the field and knocks out a 67 year old coach from the winning team because the didn't shake hands with a team who just ended the game with two personal fouls on the same play while down by three plus touchdowns... I'm having a hard time finding much wrong with Stoney Creek's actions (other than the assistant coach who was in the scuffle that the old man was breaking up). Without A LOT more info it sound like WB was pretty out of line.
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Post by jlt on Oct 11, 2012 8:45:20 GMT -6
Somewhat related question here: Coaches, from your individual perspectives, what is a bigger indicator of a coach attempting to run the score up, the personnel in the game or the plays being called/clock management? Definately Personnel. My play calling doesnt change but the players do. Therefore Im going to get all the guys reps on all the playbook. And that does include running long plays for TDs 50 points up, because the backups need pratice running it too in a game situation.
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Post by WTR on Oct 12, 2012 11:20:27 GMT -6
Somewhat related question here: Coaches, from your individual perspectives, what is a bigger indicator of a coach attempting to run the score up, the personnel in the game or the plays being called/clock management? Definately Personnel. My play calling doesnt change but the players do. Therefore Im going to get all the guys reps on all the playbook. And that does include running long plays for TDs 50 points up, because the backups need pratice running it too in a game situation. Nope, thats not a good enough reason to embarrass your opponent. If you are 50+ points up and are still scoring TDs you clearly have the other team out manned and therefore should alter your play calling, period.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 12, 2012 12:39:33 GMT -6
I'll offer this question: putting yourself in the shoes of the SC (winning coaches), what options do you have in this kind of situation where a game has ended on an extremely chippy, sour note? How do you handle the immediate aftermath of such a game in a way that is non-offensive and safe for your players? We had something similar happen. We lined up without helmets on. The other team did have helmets on. One of my rookies was headbutted and nose was broken. But we couldnt identify which player did it. So here is what i would do. Announce. To both teams to go to the locker rooms. After a cooling off period. Meet back at the 50 and shake hands. Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards
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Post by jlt on Oct 15, 2012 6:06:40 GMT -6
Definately Personnel. My play calling doesnt change but the players do. Therefore Im going to get all the guys reps on all the playbook. And that does include running long plays for TDs 50 points up, because the backups need pratice running it too in a game situation. Nope, thats not a good enough reason to embarrass your opponent. If you are 50+ points up and are still scoring TDs you clearly have the other team out manned and therefore should alter your play calling, period. SO you would rather keep the starters in and call 3 plays? What are they learning from that? Nothing. Whereas you can keep your playcalling and get the backups in and they get to learn and practice in a game situation. And the starters get rested and dont risk injury. To be honest I dont care if the other team gets embarassed. Even less so if a starter gets injured because im running 3 plays to keep the score down.
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