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Post by mariettablue on Sept 28, 2012 0:44:14 GMT -6
I can go in so many directions with this but I will get to the point. I am the Off. Coach and my HC assists me by setting up my O line. Our team is 11-12 and we have more 12's getting playing time but the QB I started is 11. He is not the biggest , fastest or strongest kid but he knows all the plays. Our best athlete plays TB but he has a cannon arm but we don't really have more than one good receiver. Our starting center broke his thumb and is out. Since he has been out we tried a couple of other kids at center which has not worked well with the exchange. Instead of the HC working on a center he wants to put our most versatile athlete at QB because he can handle the snap. I am against it because we lose so much from the overall game because he can play all the other skilled positions better than the rest of the kids and it puts our best guy 5 feet closer to an aggressive defense.
The HC wants to over ride my decision but I heard that he was getting pressure to put another kid at TB because he has the physique to be a good back but it's his first year ever playing and we constantly have to tell him the plays. The kid that he wants to run is 20 lbs heavier than our best athlete but doesn't break any tackles and doesn't run well in traffic.
The best athlete plays any position but doesn't want to play Qb. I have considered stepping down from running the O and the best athlete is losing his desire to play for the team. The best athlete is my son and we are 5-0 with our present set up.
The HC still believes that wishbone rules even though he doesn't teach the blocking principles for the plays based on the D's alignment. He believes brute force wins the match ups everytime which I know is not always true. Last year he never punted and it cost so many points against us especially when its 4th and 20 from your own two and you run a reverse???
Our last three games are the toughest and I don't know what I should do because I studied our upcoming opposition and I know he has not so what should I do? Step down and let things fall or step in?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 28, 2012 1:23:48 GMT -6
well coach.
your in an interesting position.
I tell my HC every day: you put me in this position (DC), let me own it.
but it is his team..if he says i want jonny and nose..but jonny is a great corner..well its his team...
now...as OC it is YOUR job to make sure all coaches including your HC/Oline coach is teaching proper technique. you need to confront him about that.
if hes not going to let you be the coordinator...you need to ask him what your roles are.
even at the youth level..a team needs a reporting structure...just like work.
HC - is the CEO
Coordinators are the VPs
Position coaches are the directors
Team Captains are the Managers
and the rest of the team are clock punchers.
I explain this to my team at Day 1. even though I am apart of a small staff and we do double duty:
I am not only the DC but the DB and RB position coach.
our HC is the OC and the LB and QB position coach
our Special Teams Coordinator is also our OL and DL position coach.
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Post by mariettablue on Sept 28, 2012 7:36:32 GMT -6
well coach. your in an interesting position. now...as OC it is YOUR job to make sure all coaches including your HC/Oline coach is teaching proper technique. you need to confront him about that. if hes not going to let you be the coordinator...you need to ask him what your roles are. even at the youth level..a team needs a reporting structure...just like work. I tried to talk with him about it, I even got advice from a well known Coach in the area (31 yrs and 20 championships) who he told me that he got advice from and that Coach agreed with me. I keep talking to him about setting up the line but he hasn't put a full hour into the line including every practice we have had all season. Because for one he is the HC, the association President, a board rep for the league, equipment director, tows and stocks the concession stand and two he believes girth will conquer skill and technique. Taking all that in consideration I just utilized the power I as a base and designed plays to add the skilled position blocks to help make up for the line play just to have a start. Then his problem was that I didn't have enough plays but I told him that once the line understood the blocking rules that I can install what we need to compete with these teams that basically all run a 5-3 cov 1 or 4-4 cov 1or 3. I started working with the line and then he changed the personnel around (by girth) and then our center broke his thumb and then he ran a kid off the team that was a stout guard and....... you get the picture. So I had to resort to basic line play. I am going to make a decision this weekend about what I am doing because his pride is running the organization and I'm not sure about being a part of it anymore. Thanks for your input. |
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Post by coachstephen on Sept 28, 2012 10:30:18 GMT -6
It seems like the main issue is not each individual issue, it is that there in not a clear chain of responsibility with how decisions will be made with the offense. You think you know better, and he thinks he knows better.
Are you running your system or the HC's system? If there is an offensive philosophy in place you guys should be able to agree on where each kid plays based on skill set, the only variable is a disagreement regarding skill set.
At the end of the day if you guys are 5-0 I agree that you just need to find a new center and move on , not reinvent the wheel and come up with a new offense. I will say that your son should not be losing desire to play for an an undefeated team due to issues that the grown ups are having. If you end up losing the position battle with the head coach, tell your son why YOU put him where he is to help the team win.
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Post by coachdoug on Sept 28, 2012 10:33:40 GMT -6
I'm not sure just quitting sends a very good message to either your son or any of the other kids on the team. However, I do understand your frustration. If you're at the point where ready to jump ship, I would have one final sit down with the HC and issue him the ultimatum that either you be allowed to run the offense as you see fit or you'll have to resign, but you can't have him continually undermining you. Then it will be his decision.
Good luck.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 28, 2012 11:36:53 GMT -6
Our last three games are the toughest and I don't know what I should do because I studied our upcoming opposition and I know he has not so what should I do? Step down and let things fall or step in? At forum.officiating.com there are certain cases that are put up for discussion verbally that get the response, "You have to be there." That is, words, especially from a single observer, can't convey the situation well enough for us to judge by. This is one of those cases. From your description, your HC could be anywhere from an inattentive schlub -- in which case you could run things the way you want without telling him, and he'll never know the difference -- to an expert who just hasn't managed to convey his wisdom to you. However, with that monster of a disclaimer in there, I'm on the side of your sticking it out. You're 5/8 of the way thru your season anyway, and if you play once a week, that time will whiz by. |
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Post by mariettablue on Sept 28, 2012 14:58:02 GMT -6
I tried to compromise with a little of both but we oppose when it comes to practice planning and play calling. He calls plays by Our teams personnel. I call plays based on what the defense gives us or I set up the plays I want to run against teams I scouted. He likes to run a hundred plays during practice I'd rather run 3 using the step method to make sure everyone gets their assignments. I like to teach all my backs all the backs positions. He wants them to learn just the one they play.
Last year he called plays and we had a 1-9 season. Our first three games we only scored 12 points total. This year our lowest points were 12 in the first game and averaging about 32 in the other 4 including giving the MPP an entire quarter. We could have scored more if the O-line knew the rules sooner.
We are going to meet with a mediator who the HC trusts because he has 31 yrs and 20 Championships to his credit. I already spoke to him once and he agreed with my strategy but this will be the deciding factor. I really want to stick it out because I know that I can give the kids more help by being there. We are meeting this Sunday so he can see the film that I have from each game and it should be resolved one way or the other. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Post by coachstephen on Sept 28, 2012 18:05:44 GMT -6
Worst case scenario: let the HC keep the offense and stay on in some other type of capacity. Quitting the team and/or letting your son quit the team would set a poor example for him and the other kids.
Good luck with the mediator, so far I have split your disagreements right down the middle with who I agree with.
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Post by coachseth on Sept 28, 2012 23:13:44 GMT -6
I've always heard it's wise to put your best athlete at quarterback until they get to high school.
Our second best athlete is our quarterback now, but it's obvious he's going to be a WR/DB in high school next year. In terms of quitting the team, I'll say this. Being a head coach is one of the more difficult things to do, you've got to multitask every little thing about the team. The last thing I think any of us want as a head coach is to be argued with about anything. I'm not saying every head coach is always right, but I am saying there is a reason the head coach is in the position he is in. One of the things that use to piss me off more than anything was when a dad tried to tell me how to do my job. The dad wasn't there when I was at clinics, he wasn't there when I was scouting players, he didn't pull the late nights with me to design our scheme, so who is he to tell me how to do my job?
Long story short, walk carefully you're treading on very thin ice when you argue with a head coach.
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Post by mariettablue on Sept 28, 2012 23:55:03 GMT -6
I do understand Coach Seth about the HC position because I was one at another organization. I never allowed anyone I wasn't going to support and stand behind a chance to be part of my staff because that is a distraction waiting to happen. I can tell you that our HC has been influenced by a few parents who left him for greener pastures and ended up coming back two years later. They are not a part of the coaching staff and they are standoffish from the team. One kid is never on time and always leaves early while the other is never on time and also plays basketball during the football season. Their parents stay in the HC ear all the time and it seems like they have influence over his decisions.
When I was HC I protected my Coaches from blatant disrespect by offering those same parents a coaches application so they can help the situation. Some would grumble for a few but they soon stopped.
I am one of the favorite Coaches to the kids and I don't really argue but when the HC wanted to make a change because some people (parents) had something to say!!! what would you do? I would have pulled out my coaches application and.......
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Post by fantom on Sept 29, 2012 17:00:18 GMT -6
I can go in so many directions with this but I will get to the point. I am the Off. Coach and my HC assists me by setting up my O line. Our team is 11-12 and we have more 12's getting playing time but the QB I started is 11. He is not the biggest , fastest or strongest kid but he knows all the plays. Our best athlete plays TB but he has a cannon arm but we don't really have more than one good receiver. Our starting center broke his thumb and is out. Since he has been out we tried a couple of other kids at center which has not worked well with the exchange. Instead of the HC working on a center he wants to put our most versatile athlete at QB because he can handle the snap. I am against it because we lose so much from the overall game because he can play all the other skilled positions better than the rest of the kids and it puts our best guy 5 feet closer to an aggressive defense. The HC wants to over ride my decision but I heard that he was getting pressure to put another kid at TB because he has the physique to be a good back but it's his first year ever playing and we constantly have to tell him the plays. The kid that he wants to run is 20 lbs heavier than our best athlete but doesn't break any tackles and doesn't run well in traffic. The best athlete plays any position but doesn't want to play Qb. I have considered stepping down from running the O and the best athlete is losing his desire to play for the team. The best athlete is my son and we are 5-0 with our present set up. The HC still believes that wishbone rules even though he doesn't teach the blocking principles for the plays based on the D's alignment. He believes brute force wins the match ups everytime which I know is not always true. Last year he never punted and it cost so many points against us especially when its 4th and 20 from your own two and you run a reverse??? Our last three games are the toughest and I don't know what I should do because I studied our upcoming opposition and I know he has not so what should I do? Step down and let things fall or step in? The "Head" in Head Coach means that he gets the final say. The title of coordinator does not mean that you have complete control of the offense. I've been a defensive coordinator for a long time and have never considered it "my defense". |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 29, 2012 19:40:13 GMT -6
I can go in so many directions with this but I will get to the point. I am the Off. Coach and my HC assists me by setting up my O line. Our team is 11-12 and we have more 12's getting playing time but the QB I started is 11. He is not the biggest , fastest or strongest kid but he knows all the plays. Our best athlete plays TB but he has a cannon arm but we don't really have more than one good receiver. Our starting center broke his thumb and is out. Since he has been out we tried a couple of other kids at center which has not worked well with the exchange. Instead of the HC working on a center he wants to put our most versatile athlete at QB because he can handle the snap. I am against it because we lose so much from the overall game because he can play all the other skilled positions better than the rest of the kids and it puts our best guy 5 feet closer to an aggressive defense. The HC wants to over ride my decision but I heard that he was getting pressure to put another kid at TB because he has the physique to be a good back but it's his first year ever playing and we constantly have to tell him the plays. The kid that he wants to run is 20 lbs heavier than our best athlete but doesn't break any tackles and doesn't run well in traffic. The best athlete plays any position but doesn't want to play Qb. I have considered stepping down from running the O and the best athlete is losing his desire to play for the team. The best athlete is my son and we are 5-0 with our present set up. The HC still believes that wishbone rules even though he doesn't teach the blocking principles for the plays based on the D's alignment. He believes brute force wins the match ups everytime which I know is not always true. Last year he never punted and it cost so many points against us especially when its 4th and 20 from your own two and you run a reverse??? Our last three games are the toughest and I don't know what I should do because I studied our upcoming opposition and I know he has not so what should I do? Step down and let things fall or step in? The "Head" in Head Coach means that he gets the final say. The title of coordinator does not mean that you have complete control of the offense. I've been a defensive coordinator for a long time and have never considered it "my defense". Sounds like your under a micromanaging HC. Ive been the DC for the last 5 seasons and it is my defense. I control the overall scheme and direction. My position coaches handle depth chart. Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards |
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Post by fantom on Sept 29, 2012 22:48:48 GMT -6
The "Head" in Head Coach means that he gets the final say. The title of coordinator does not mean that you have complete control of the offense. I've been a defensive coordinator for a long time and have never considered it "my defense". Sounds like your under a micromanaging HC. Ive been the DC for the last 5 seasons and it is my defense. I control the overall scheme and direction. My position coaches handle depth chart. Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards Not hardly. |
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Post by mariettablue on Sept 30, 2012 0:38:46 GMT -6
Unfortunately our best player hurt his big toe and wasn't going to play at all so we had to use the QB that the HC didnt want to use. We played a team that we should have blown out but we won 25-6 without our best player really playing.
I let the HC play call this game because he wanted to run some plays he wanted to see. He has a script of plays and we set up a strong side of the O-line and he felt like we would score by play 4 because of our personnel. When I call plays we scored on every first possession. Today we went two four and outs in a row giving them the ball on our half of the field because he doesn't believe in punting. I suggested a toss sweep out of the formation he likes because their team almost had 10 in the box and he kept trying to run I slot Left 25 lead and we only gained about 5 yds in 8 plays. The first toss sweep went for 60 and the score.
Our best player couldn't run but I suggested to the HC to run spread let him get 2-3 yds deeper in shotgun and run 4 plays to get that D to open up on next change of possession cause I noticed their defense stayed huddled until our Off. lined up. It was 4th down and they called time so we brought the team over and setup the personnel for the spread and I told them as soon as they make the stop go straight to the ball and run the play. It took only 1 play, a well thrown and caught 65 yd go route TD from our hobbled best player. I know he is hurt but that's my son and he's never missed a single game since he started playing football so I found a way to get him in.
Now I'm not saying who's better as off. coach but results speak. I called 5 plays in the game 1 run for a score 3-4 passing 1 TD - 1 INT. The interception never would have happened if our best guy wasn't hurt. We only had 1 other offensive score and 1 on D.
If you take away the two long runs our rushing would be less than 20 - 25 yards between 5 running backs. The QB I want to use had one bobble and played well enough to not cost us the game which I can guarantee if he had our best guy to hand off to we would have won by a whole lot more.
If the HC would just let me do what I can do we will be fine. This was our last easy game and I feel like his decisions will cost us the game against the upcoming opponents because they are good and they are undefeated also. My HC really believes that you can beat a team with your playlist no matter what they setup on defense. He refuses to deviate from his scripted plays even if the defense calls for a change.
This is why I am really trying to stay in the drivers seat for the O because I feel like I give the team the better chance at coming out on top. I respect him as HC but as an HC you should give the team the best chance to succeed because at the end of the day the better the team looks the better the HC looks.
Give me your take coaches. All feedback is appreciated one way or another.
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Post by coachstephen on Sept 30, 2012 10:57:43 GMT -6
It is hard to gather everything that is going on here. I am catching that the HC seems to be a Wishbone guy, and you like the spread, is this correct?
You 2 need to sit down away from the field and agree on how the offense is going to be run going forward, what style and formation you are going to run, what kind of player you need in each position, and which players have the abilities to fill certain roles.
It seems like you 2 cant agree on anything. Is there any type of experience factor that clearly defines who is presenting the most educated opinion?
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Post by fantom on Sept 30, 2012 11:15:52 GMT -6
I respect him as HC but as an HC you should give the team the best chance to succeed because at the end of the day the better the team looks the better the HC looks. Give me your take coaches. All feedback is appreciated one way or another. Obviously, in the HC's mind his way is giving yourteam the best chance of winning. Somebody has to ask this: If the player in question wasn't your son would this matter to you as much? |
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Post by coachbuck on Oct 1, 2012 1:28:02 GMT -6
You say you respect him but it sounds as if you dont. You may not like his play calling but he is the hc. He gets last word. There are no more arguments. You should have had this figured out before the season started, "his philosophy". I have an assistant on my youth team whom Im about to ax because everything is an argument with this guy and Im over it. From an HC perspective. I handle all the paperwork. I deal with all the parents. I attend all the chapter meetings, I help set up the field, therefore I make the final decisions. Im guessing your HC is along those lines. Dont get me wrong I listen to my coaches but if I disagree we are going to do it my way.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 1, 2012 8:39:41 GMT -6
First I have to say that the player being my son was never an issue because bottom line he is a football player. He has played every position on the field except center. His football I.Q. surpasses his age and I know he can play under the most extreme adversity because he has been the spark every year through his play. He has never been given anything but a chance and he demonstrated what he can do. He works on things that I showed him years ago and it's good to see him finally get to use it on the field. Visually he gets taken for granted and at the end of the day his play speaks, not his dad.
There are a select few parents that have things to say to the HC and he tells me that they say I'm playing daddy ball but these are people that are looking for the glory for their son instead of teaching them to work hard and earn what they get. There are only a few that I'm 100% sure are the ones talking and I try to find a way for their kid to get some reps. One wants to be a running back but I'm sorry, if you are 11 yrs old, don't know your holes, barely know left from right and tell me "Coach, I don't like to run up the middle, I want to run outside", what am I supposed to do? The other main talkers son is about 5'11" and not that fast. he is a good blocker, plays MLB and the HC wanted him to play on the OL only. I saw that he could catch so I fought to use him at TE so I could extend my front and have a big target to pass to but that's not taken into consideration.
The problem I have with the HC in this aspect is that last year when he called plays my son got the ball in his hands 90% of the time and my son scored every TD except 1 last year because when it came down to it he called my son's number because he knew that he would make a play. Now I'm the play caller and so far we have 6 different players that have scored. Some games my son might get 4 carries and scores on 2 of them and he'll get a score on special teams or a defensive TD and I'm playing daddy ball?
We stuck with the team last year when we went 1-9 under his guidance. We make a few coaching changes and under my watch we went 5-0. Me and my son could have went to any team in the area and played. The last three teams to win the championship hounded us all summer about joining them. Three different middle school programs wanted him to play with them and he would have played at the eighth grade level instead of the 7th. I got offered the OC by these organizations as well because they have seen how I can set up and make adjustments during the game. They see me scouting and at clinics and they see the product of my teachings but my HC wants to be the in charge of what's going on when he already is in charge.
One other thing I do everything involving football activities that the HC does( minus league paperwork and meetings) plus pick up and drop off for practice and games. I set the fields, recruit and I was a HC for 4 years so I understand but I respected my coaches and I results are more accurate than an idea. My son was injured off the field and couldn't play but 4 plays on Saturday. We used the kid that has been playing QB and two others for a couple of plays and we had one bobble. We used 5 backs and if you take away the 3 long runs we only had about 20 rushing yards and 2 first downs against a team that was beaten by our next three opponents by more than 44 points each game. The team we beat is a passing team and they scored 6 points in those three games total. These are results not I believes or I thinks.
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Post by CS on Oct 1, 2012 10:13:23 GMT -6
Fact of your 5-0 under your watch is a misleading statement to say the least. Lots of factors can contribute to the success of the team. Also it sounds, and excuse me if this is rude, like your just being a titty baby about the situation. He's the head coach end of discussion! I have disagreed with head coaches before and we talked about it but at the end of the day his name goes in the paper not mine. Of course you're in youth so I doubt any bodies name is going in the paper. Just do your job the best you can and if the head coach is wanting to do something it is probably for a good reason. You're going to end up getting fired and not being involved at all
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Post by flingt on Oct 1, 2012 11:06:25 GMT -6
First I have to say that the player being my son was never an issue because bottom line he is a football player. He has played every position on the field except center. His football I.Q. surpasses his age and I know he can play under the most extreme adversity because he has been the spark every year through his play. He has never been given anything but a chance and he demonstrated what he can do. He works on things that I showed him years ago and it's good to see him finally get to use it on the field. Visually he gets taken for granted and at the end of the day his play speaks, not his dad. There are a select few parents that have things to say to the HC and he tells me that they say I'm playing daddy ball but these are people that are looking for the glory for their son instead of teaching them to work hard and earn what they get. There are only a few that I'm 100% sure are the ones talking and I try to find a way for their kid to get some reps. One wants to be a running back but I'm sorry, if you are 11 yrs old, don't know your holes, barely know left from right and tell me "Coach, I don't like to run up the middle, I want to run outside", what am I supposed to do? The other main talkers son is about 5'11" and not that fast. he is a good blocker, plays MLB and the HC wanted him to play on the OL only. I saw that he could catch so I fought to use him at TE so I could extend my front and have a big target to pass to but that's not taken into consideration. The problem I have with the HC in this aspect is that last year when he called plays my son got the ball in his hands 90% of the time and my son scored every TD except 1 last year because when it came down to it he called my son's number because he knew that he would make a play. Now I'm the play caller and so far we have 6 different players that have scored. Some games my son might get 4 carries and scores on 2 of them and he'll get a score on special teams or a defensive TD and I'm playing daddy ball? We stuck with the team last year when we went 1-9 under his guidance. We make a few coaching changes and under my watch we went 5-0. Me and my son could have went to any team in the area and played. The last three teams to win the championship hounded us all summer about joining them. Three different middle school programs wanted him to play with them and he would have played at the eighth grade level instead of the 7th. I got offered the OC by these organizations as well because they have seen how I can set up and make adjustments during the game. They see me scouting and at clinics and they see the product of my teachings but my HC wants to be the in charge of what's going on when he already is in charge. One other thing I do everything involving football activities that the HC does( minus league paperwork and meetings) plus pick up and drop off for practice and games. I set the fields, recruit and I was a HC for 4 years so I understand but I respected my coaches and I results are more accurate than an idea. My son was injured off the field and couldn't play but 4 plays on Saturday. We used the kid that has been playing QB and two others for a couple of plays and we had one bobble. We used 5 backs and if you take away the 3 long runs we only had about 20 rushing yards and 2 first downs against a team that was beaten by our next three opponents by more than 44 points each game. The team we beat is a passing team and they scored 6 points in those three games total. These are results not I believes or I thinks. Maybe I am wrong, but this sounds very daddy-ballish to me. How many times is the word "son" in this post? It seems like this is all about how good your son is. My son, a junior in high school, plays for me and I couldn't tell you how many times he touched the ball or if he's even scored. I am much more concerned about my players than my son getting his "touches". Stop worrying about your sons stats. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 1, 2012 11:22:42 GMT -6
Fact of your 5-0 under your watch is a misleading statement to say the least. Lots of factors can contribute to the success of the team. Also it sounds, and excuse me if this is rude, like your just being a titty baby about the situation. He's the head coach end of discussion! I have disagreed with head coaches before and we talked about it but at the end of the day his name goes in the paper not mine. Of course you're in youth so I doubt any bodies name is going in the paper. Just do your job the best you can and if the head coach is wanting to do something it is probably for a good reason. You're going to end up getting fired and not being involved at all Titty Baby....LOL!!! I wasn't trying to be misleading I'm just saying what the difference in this year and last is. There are always factors and I factor in on play calling. The DC this year is better also. Last year we had a young team. Those are all factors but if I can ask a question, How many coaches will not punt under any situation because you as a HC don't believe in punting? even 4th and 20 from your own 2. I don't care about the spotlight and I am not doing this for myself or my son. I want this team to have a chance to go all the way and I'm basing things on facts. Also to let you know we could be 0-5 under my watch and the thing I can promise is that we would have not lost any game because I made a decision based on my personal preference. My first year as a HC I won 0 games but we gave up the second least amount of points in our association. We only had 17 kids and only 3 had played before. We were overwhelmed our first game but we gave up less and less and we scored more. To me that was a successful season because we progressed. That was a win. I can't make a kid into a stud but I can make them better than when they started the season guaranteed if they want to do it. I don't want to sound like a know it all because I'm not but If I'm fired or whatever because I'm right then I'll accept that rather than be a pawn for bad decisions. |
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Oct 1, 2012 12:41:36 GMT -6
How many times can you say "I" "me" "my" and "my son" in a series of posts?
Stop, take a breath, and realize its not about YOU. And, for all intensive purposes, its not about YOUR SON. Its about a TEAM that is 5-0.
Be happy with being 5-0 and keep teaching FUNDAMENTALS. Build a LOVE FOR THE GAME, and help them progress.
11-12 year old football is not the SEC.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 1, 2012 22:35:02 GMT -6
How many times can you say "I" "me" "my" and "my son" in a series of posts? Stop, take a breath, and realize its not about YOU. And, for all intensive purposes, its not about YOUR SON. Its about a TEAM that is 5-0. Be happy with being 5-0 and keep teaching FUNDAMENTALS. Build a LOVE FOR THE GAME, and help them progress. 11-12 year old football is not the SEC. Thank everyone for responding and I, if I can say I will make it clear that what it is about is the team. I make no excuses for what the football player that I'm related to can do. This started about a disagreement in positioning a player and through telling the story it was revealed that this player is my son. I was trying to give a description of the differences in the HC and myself and what I get out of this is basically leaning towards him being the HC and what he says goes. This has never been about me....it's about giving these kids a chance to learn and win while learning. I stepped down from running the offense today and I am reluctantly staying but only for the kids. We are playing the toughest team we will face so far this season and today the HC decided that we would spend 40 minutes on running because the kids didn't line up fast enough when we took team pictures this past sunday...... IDK ... I guess it's his way of .....who knows! |
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Post by coachstephen on Oct 2, 2012 7:32:06 GMT -6
40 minutes of conditioning, or 40 minutes of executing the running game?
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 2, 2012 7:45:35 GMT -6
Went from warm ups to sprints, running laps and then running "The Hill".
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Post by CS on Oct 2, 2012 19:34:24 GMT -6
How many times can you say "I" "me" "my" and "my son" in a series of posts? Stop, take a breath, and realize its not about YOU. And, for all intensive purposes, its not about YOUR SON. Its about a TEAM that is 5-0. Be happy with being 5-0 and keep teaching FUNDAMENTALS. Build a LOVE FOR THE GAME, and help them progress. 11-12 year old football is not the SEC. Thank everyone for responding and I, if I can say I will make it clear that what it is about is the team. I make no excuses for what the football player that I'm related to can do. This started about a disagreement in positioning a player and through telling the story it was revealed that this player is my son. I was trying to give a description of the differences in the HC and myself and what I get out of this is basically leaning towards him being the HC and what he says goes. This has never been about me....it's about giving these kids a chance to learn and win while learning. I stepped down from running the offense today and I am reluctantly staying but only for the kids. We are playing the toughest team we will face so far this season and today the HC decided that we would spend 40 minutes on running because the kids didn't line up fast enough when we took team pictures this past sunday...... IDK ... I guess it's his way of .....who knows! I disagree. I feel like it has been about you the whole time. First of all if it wasn't you wouldn't be giving us your résumé every time you post. Plus you just keep complaining about your header even when most of the replys on here have told you to get over it or get out. If you can't see I to I with the guy and are going to complain all the time then why do you even coach under him. It obviously makes you unhappy so quit. If your kid is as good as you say he is then it won't hurt him any and you being there obviously isn't changing the hc's mind about anything. Looks to me like you just want someone to agree with you |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 2, 2012 21:06:06 GMT -6
You know what coaches it's not that serious. I was asking thoughts about differing opinions on whether to play your best player at QB. It has turned into something way beyond opinions about what I asked. All the information that was given was not to be used to judge me but to explain why I disagreed with the HC. Some coaches read the posts from the middle and assumed that they understood the whole post. All I can say is that I already stated that I handed the offense back over to the HC but I guess that wasn't READ? so in closing i will tell you that my little man plays his heart out and plays bigger than his physical size and he doesn't need me to make it in this game.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 2, 2012 21:17:31 GMT -6
First I have to say that the player being my son was never an issue because bottom line he is a football player. He has played every position on the field except center. His football I.Q. surpasses his age and I know he can play under the most extreme adversity because he has been the spark every year through his play. He has never been given anything but a chance and he demonstrated what he can do. He works on things that I showed him years ago and it's good to see him finally get to use it on the field. Visually he gets taken for granted and at the end of the day his play speaks, not his dad. There are a select few parents that have things to say to the HC and he tells me that they say I'm playing daddy ball but these are people that are looking for the glory for their son instead of teaching them to work hard and earn what they get. There are only a few that I'm 100% sure are the ones talking and I try to find a way for their kid to get some reps. One wants to be a running back but I'm sorry, if you are 11 yrs old, don't know your holes, barely know left from right and tell me "Coach, I don't like to run up the middle, I want to run outside", what am I supposed to do? The other main talkers son is about 5'11" and not that fast. he is a good blocker, plays MLB and the HC wanted him to play on the OL only. I saw that he could catch so I fought to use him at TE so I could extend my front and have a big target to pass to but that's not taken into consideration. The problem I have with the HC in this aspect is that last year when he called plays my son got the ball in his hands 90% of the time and my son scored every TD except 1 last year because when it came down to it he called my son's number because he knew that he would make a play. Now I'm the play caller and so far we have 6 different players that have scored. Some games my son might get 4 carries and scores on 2 of them and he'll get a score on special teams or a defensive TD and I'm playing daddy ball? We stuck with the team last year when we went 1-9 under his guidance. We make a few coaching changes and under my watch we went 5-0. Me and my son could have went to any team in the area and played. The last three teams to win the championship hounded us all summer about joining them. Three different middle school programs wanted him to play with them and he would have played at the eighth grade level instead of the 7th. I got offered the OC by these organizations as well because they have seen how I can set up and make adjustments during the game. They see me scouting and at clinics and they see the product of my teachings but my HC wants to be the in charge of what's going on when he already is in charge. One other thing I do everything involving football activities that the HC does( minus league paperwork and meetings) plus pick up and drop off for practice and games. I set the fields, recruit and I was a HC for 4 years so I understand but I respected my coaches and I results are more accurate than an idea. My son was injured off the field and couldn't play but 4 plays on Saturday. We used the kid that has been playing QB and two others for a couple of plays and we had one bobble. We used 5 backs and if you take away the 3 long runs we only had about 20 rushing yards and 2 first downs against a team that was beaten by our next three opponents by more than 44 points each game. The team we beat is a passing team and they scored 6 points in those three games total. These are results not I believes or I thinks. Maybe I am wrong, but this sounds very daddy-ballish to me. How many times is the word "son" in this post? It seems like this is all about how good your son is. My son, a junior in high school, plays for me and I couldn't tell you how many times he touched the ball or if he's even scored. I am much more concerned about my players than my son getting his "touches". Stop worrying about your sons stats. I was asked a question about the player being my son and would it be different. The quote you read was an answer to someone else. I care less about stats and touches at this point but the thing that pisses me off is how someone can discredit my kids ability by saying I'm playing daddy ball. He has never missed a day of practice or a game since he first started playing and never quits whether winning or losing. I used the stats to explain how last year the HC called on my kid all the time and he scored all the TD's except one and this year when I play call there are 5 kids that have scored. I stated this to show that I distribute the "touches" to many kids and not just my own. |
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 2, 2012 21:41:11 GMT -6
Thank everyone for responding and I, if I can say I will make it clear that what it is about is the team. I make no excuses for what the football player that I'm related to can do. This started about a disagreement in positioning a player and through telling the story it was revealed that this player is my son. I was trying to give a description of the differences in the HC and myself and what I get out of this is basically leaning towards him being the HC and what he says goes. This has never been about me....it's about giving these kids a chance to learn and win while learning. I stepped down from running the offense today and I am reluctantly staying but only for the kids. We are playing the toughest team we will face so far this season and today the HC decided that we would spend 40 minutes on running because the kids didn't line up fast enough when we took team pictures this past sunday...... IDK ... I guess it's his way of .....who knows! I disagree. I feel like it has been about you the whole time. First of all if it wasn't you wouldn't be giving us your résumé every time you post. Plus you just keep complaining about your header even when most of the replys on here have told you to get over it or get out. If you can't see I to I with the guy and are going to complain all the time then why do you even coach under him. It obviously makes you unhappy so quit. If your kid is as good as you say he is then it won't hurt him any and you being there obviously isn't changing the hc's mind about anything. Looks to me like you just want someone to agree with you I guess you have never had to make a decision that affected people other than yourself? I have been involved with my kid all his life and we have not missed a day of practice or a game from the first time he began playing until now, his last year of youth football. There are other kids with us that played together from their first year playing so please, don't make it seem like it's that simple. There is a lot more to it than I revealed. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 3, 2012 5:59:46 GMT -6
I guess you have never had to make a decision that affected people other than yourself? I have been involved with my kid all his life and we have not missed a day of practice or a game from the first time he began playing until now, his last year of youth football. There are other kids with us that played together from their first year playing so please, don't make it seem like it's that simple. There is a lot more to it than I revealed. Coach--it IS that simple though. You disagree with the the HC regarding playcalling, team administration, personnel, practice time usage, offensive structure etc. There are 2 options 1) shut up and deal with it 2) tell him "coach, I disagree with you, and I just cant be associated with this anymore" and stop coaching Nothing that you have posted changes those simple facts. |
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