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Post by wildcat on Mar 31, 2007 19:06:06 GMT -6
Any of you guys down in Chambana this past weekend?
About 90% of the coaches who sat in on Gannaway's presentation were in favor of supporting the elimination of football enrollment and using the school's actual enrollment (or multipled enrollment for non-boundried schools) to determine playoff classifications.
Other thing I thought was shocking was the number of coaches who were willing to give up lower body pads in exchange for gaining the ability to scrimmage against other teams during summer contact days.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 20:12:43 GMT -6
Was at the clinic, but didn't go to Gannaway's meeting. I've never felt both that both FE and multiplier are necessary. In terms of the other issue, personally, i've never had a problem with scrimmaging in only uppers during the summer if it is a college or unversity camp--plenty of supervision and a pretty controlled environment. It seems to me that something could be done other than doing away with summer scrimmaging totally.
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Post by nydc on Apr 1, 2007 4:01:39 GMT -6
We are from NY and use school enrollment. Could you explain football enrollment?
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Post by wildcat on Apr 1, 2007 6:15:36 GMT -6
nydc -
"Football Enrollment" is calculated based on the size of the schools your school plays. So, if your school is the smallest school in the conference, you will probably get bumped up a playoff class once the playoffs roll around. If, on the other hand, your school is bigger than the other schools in your conference, your football enrollment won't be effected.
For instance, the school I am going to coach at next year has about 1400 students. If the school's actual enrollment was used, that would place us in the 5A playoffs. However, this is the smallest team in the conference, so they typically have been bumped up to the 6A playoffs.
Basically, you get "penalized" in Illinois for playing schools with larger enrollments by getting bumped up to a higher playoff case. If the "football enrollment" method is discontinued, playoff classification would be determined by the actual enrollment (or the "multiplied" enrollment for open-enrollment schools) of the school only.
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Post by mrigg on Apr 3, 2007 12:41:42 GMT -6
I'm happy the football enrollment is gone. We play a couple of schools close to twice our size and always seem to be on the 3a-4a bubble. I think they did a study and found it was hurting around 20 teams and placing 2 teams in the right class by moving them up.
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Post by phantom on Apr 3, 2007 13:01:30 GMT -6
Please excuse us non-Illinoisans (is that the right word?) but some of this stuff is totally foreign to us. You've explained the FE, a concept that I found strange. It seems like it's meant to penalize private schools, true? By summer scrimmages do you mean pre-season scrimmages during 2-a-days in the weeks before your opener?
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Post by coachf on Apr 3, 2007 13:27:05 GMT -6
Good riddance football enrollment. You suck. I am sick of having to bump up a class for playing better/bigger teams. That is stupid. Teams in the NCAA tournament and bowl teams in CFB are given breaks for playing a tough schedule. They are given a privileged position. If our association were one big class, then I could understand the bump up, because it would be a reward. Instead, we get penalized for this tough schedule and are presented with an even tougher road.
BTW, is this a done deal? Or are they still deciding it?
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Post by marv on Apr 3, 2007 14:10:27 GMT -6
Sorry Coaches. IHSA Board has NOT done away with the football enrollment. FE and the multiplier will both be in full effect again next season.
Phantom, football enrollment was put in place to prevent schools from playing larger teams all season and then feasting upon small teams come playoff time. I believe Bloomington Central Catholic was a big reason for this. As I heard it, they used to be an independent and played a regular season schedule filled with teams from much bigger schools. They would always win enough games to get in, and since their enrollment was small, they would dominate class 2A and 3A. It may be targeted toward private schools, but it effects everybody. This really hurts my team. Our enrollment would put us in 1A but after the FE and the multiplier we are now on the 3A/4A bubble.
Also, note to other Illinois guys - I read on Edgytim that there are indeed some new rules regarding summer contact. Haven't found anything solid but I will post it if I find it. I don't know the specifics but it was something to the effect that "Summer Camps" in which you wear uppers and comete against other teams is now against the rules. Also, no more than two players from the same team may attend the same speed camp, QB camp, Lineman Camp, etc... Like I said, just the rumor mill at this point but I will see what I can find out.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 3, 2007 18:38:51 GMT -6
Also, note to other Illinois guys - I read on Edgytim that there are indeed some new rules regarding summer contact. Haven't found anything solid but I will post it if I find it. I don't know the specifics but it was something to the effect that "Summer Camps" in which you wear uppers and comete against other teams is now against the rules. Also, no more than two players from the same team may attend the same speed camp, QB camp, Lineman Camp, etc... Like I said, just the rumor mill at this point but I will see what I can find out. Marv - The summer practice rule change is a done deal...heard it from Dave Gannaway himself. No padded contact with other teams, period. The only thing your team can do against other schools is 7 on 7. Any kind of padded scrimmage situation is now prohibited. (No 9 on 7/inside hole/outside run/etc, etc...) If you want to put pads on YOUR kids and have them compete against eacj other, that is fine. But no scrimmaging against other teams other than 7 on 7. As far as FBE being done away with...might not be THIS year, but that is the way the wind is blowing. It will be gone sooner than later.
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Post by coachchance on Apr 9, 2007 14:48:20 GMT -6
i think the summer rule states that you canot coach anyone on your team against another team other than 7on7. your kids can go to a camp and compete against other schools but they will be coached by the instructors/coaches at the camp.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 9, 2007 15:00:18 GMT -6
Too complicated....head hurts......thank goodness we just have a simple 4 class system here in PA based on enrollment. Personally I think some of these states have way too many classes and that is why some of these problems arise. I think PA has 570 or 600 schools playing football and 4 classes makes it real easy. You dont have to worry about 6, 7, or 8 classes and multiplers and so on and so on.
Am I also reading this correctly in that there are no pre-season scrimmages in IL?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2007 17:35:01 GMT -6
Almost everyone runs a scrimmage the week before Game 1, but it is intrasquad. No scrimmages against other schools.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 9, 2007 18:09:44 GMT -6
Too complicated....head hurts......thank goodness we just have a simple 4 class system here in PA based on enrollment. Personally I think some of these states have way too many classes and that is why some of these problems arise. I think PA has 570 or 600 schools playing football and 4 classes makes it real easy. You dont have to worry about 6, 7, or 8 classes and multiplers and so on and so on. Am I also reading this correctly in that there are no pre-season scrimmages in IL? Wow...talk about watered down! Pennsylvania and Illinois have roughly the same population, yet Illinois has twice as many classes! Sounds like it is much tougher to win a state championship in Pennsylvania than it is here in Illinois. How do the playoffs work in Pennsylvania?
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Post by wingtol on Apr 9, 2007 18:46:57 GMT -6
Basically in football you need to win your District playoff, I think there are 12 now with Philly, then you advance to the innner district playoffs. The brackets are set up East vs West. Some districts have longer playoffs, like the WPIAL (Pitts. suburbs) and the bigger Disticts outside philly. There are four rounds in the inner-district
I like the way its set up. Works out pretty easy no points system brackets are pretty much the same each year, for which district champ you will play. I think its great there are 4 classes. I have seen some states where there are like 20 teams in their top division, just seems to watered down. there is usually alot of parody there have been very few back to back champs so its nice to see for the most part different teams each year.
So there are no scrimmages in IL? Wow we get two pre-season one for each week of full pad pre-season practice.
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