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Post by dowens66 on May 29, 2006 18:58:26 GMT -6
In the past we have had a problem with our teams being less physical than our opponents. I was wondering if it is possible to coach players to be more physical (and if so, how?) or if you are just dealt the hand you got.
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Post by phantom on May 29, 2006 19:42:16 GMT -6
I think that you can coach players to be tough. We have very physical practices.We're also lucky in that we've done this for a while so that there's a lot of peer pressure. Don't be stupid but let them hit each other. There's a reason they came out for football.
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Post by los on May 30, 2006 6:53:02 GMT -6
I agree Phantom. Just try to remember what kind of practice you preferred as a player. One where you come out in just helmets/helmets and shoulder pads and do mostly walk thrus or minimum contact stuff or days when you practice in full equipment and everything is live and more like a real game? Even now as a coach, I have to really motivate myself to make the 40 mile round trip to practice, if I hear "Helmets and shorts only tommorrow"! My 1st instinct now as back when I played is " Awww Sh----t! " a bunch of standing around and talking , LOL!
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Post by wingtol on May 30, 2006 8:04:18 GMT -6
I think the only way to set that tone is to practice physical. People worry about injuries and all that but if you use your head and do things right there should be no worries. We have always hit a ton during practice and ahve had very few injuries just make sure you match kids up right and dont have any mismatches in hitting drills. The more they hit the more they become use to it, we try and make the games feel easy to them by the way we practice.
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Post by cqmiller on May 30, 2006 8:12:28 GMT -6
I have found that when you have a more physical attitude in practice, then that translates to more physical play on Friday night. Best drill I've seen is the 1-on-1 "board drill".
Get a line of each of these:
1) OL/TE
2) DL
3) RB/TE
4) LB
5) WR
6) DB
one player from #1 & 1 player from #2 line up with 1 yard between them in a 3 pt. stance. Then on the whistle, they try to drive the other player backwards. If any of you have been to a college practice, they do these at least 2 times a week. It gets the players fired up, and is one of the most physical drills you can do.
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Post by coachjd on May 30, 2006 9:10:56 GMT -6
Every Tuesday we do the board drill. We call it the "MUST DRILL". Every player goes according to postion. We call it the MUST DRILL, because we tell the kids if we cannot get off the ball and deliver a blow and stay aggressive to the whistle we will not be successful. It is a MUST for us.
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Post by groundchuck on May 30, 2006 9:13:09 GMT -6
Board drill is key for us too. I have gone as far as to say I will pick my 5 OL starters this week based solely on who kicks whose butt on the board drill.
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Post by realdawg on May 30, 2006 12:30:19 GMT -6
I believe that kids are made either as aggressive or passive people. However, you can make either type more aggressive by doing these drills. However, I dont think you can turn some pansy into Tarzan over night, its something you have to work on, b/c it may be changing the makeup of a kid.
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Post by coachcalande on May 30, 2006 18:10:26 GMT -6
In the past we have had a problem with our teams being less physical than our opponents. I was wondering if it is possible to coach players to be more physical (and if so, how?) or if you are just dealt the hand you got. 1) Double teams.... 2) Pulling linemen/superior numbers 3) angles, traps/leverage 4) package plays in series to make blocks easier- know your keys 5) keep defenders in conflict, keep em guessing 6) cut blocks 7) big backs/fast guards 8) 4 downs everywhere 9) pass to score, not to keep em honest 10) tight splits and compressed formations. |
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Post by los on May 30, 2006 18:28:37 GMT -6
You said it right wingtol , the more you hit the more you get used to it, then if you miss a day you feel like you're getting soft!
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Post by ramsoc on Jun 3, 2006 9:12:21 GMT -6
We do a 1 on 1 drill we call "sumo" Sounds similar to the board drill, but the difference is, each player can call out anyone on the team to challenge, so you get WRs calling out D lineman. We get the team in a big circle and they go at it in the middle. The rest of the team gets all jacked cheering for one kid or the other and its fun for them.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 3, 2006 9:40:42 GMT -6
We do a 1 on 1 drill we call "sumo" Sounds similar to the board drill, but the difference is, each player can call out anyone on the team to challenge, so you get WRs calling out D lineman. We get the team in a big circle and they go at it in the middle. The rest of the team gets all jacked cheering for one kid or the other and its fun for them. We do the same drill. We call it "king of the hill" b/c you stay in the middle until someone beats you. If a guy in in there a while he gets dog tired but he has to keep going. |
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Post by sls on Jun 3, 2006 19:48:47 GMT -6
We do a good one called the Gauntlet.
We put 3 bags 5 yards apart with a protector in font of each bag. The player must cover the 20 yards and touch all 3 bags whie the protector tries to prevent the bag from being touched. After the runner gets by the first bag the first protector gets the help the 2nd and so on. By the time you get to the 3rd bag there are 3 guys fighting you.
Kids love this drill.
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Post by jhanawa on Jun 4, 2006 14:28:22 GMT -6
We get a lot of kids that haven't played before, so we MUST teach them to hit every day. We hit every day throughout the season, we limit taking down our backs and don't allow hanging onto ankles, etc, but other than that, hit as much as you can.
SLS, we do an open field drill kind of like that, 3 defenders spaced 10 yards apart, one ball carrier, on a field 10 yards wide by 30 yards long, a defender on the 10,20,30. BC has to make it past them, 2nd, 3rd defender can't move till the back gets up or past #1 defender, we don't allow #1 or #2 to help after the BC has past them though.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 5, 2006 13:32:22 GMT -6
We've really had a long standing reputation as a physical team. A lot of times, our reputation has preceded us... but has been there. We emphasize being physical mostly in the off season. That is why we are in the weight room. It is why we run hills, do extra lifts on the last set, come in at 6AM, etc.
There are some great drills mentioned, but I don't know if drills have as much to do with it as the continual emphasis on the state of mind. We used to do Oklahoma drill... I thought "this will make us tough"... but what it did was force us to look for a few backups who needed to start for the rest of the year (3 broken legs in that drill)
The Sumo, the Gauntlet, Oklahoma... all good. We do a drill with the team in a circle- inside there are 2 OL and 1 RB vs 1 defender. Defender has 8 seconds to make a tackle: no illegal blocks and no double-teaming is allowed.
All these things help with toughness, but I really do believe that it has to go back to effort and intensity every time they are working at football- so that includes weight room, conditioning and practice. We, like anyone else, have a lot of "soft" people (basketball player types), but when we train we train to be fighters (we do a lot of ab work,, jump rope, wrestling, sumo, buddy carries up stairs) because I want them to think of themselves AS fighters. And fighters are tough and physical.
We never practice without pads- and we don't kill each other out there, but even on pre-game where we mostly fit in, we need to be able to simulate contact/follow through. I think that helps us a lot too.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 5, 2006 13:41:13 GMT -6
one player from #1 & 1 player from #2 line up with 1 yard between them in a 3 pt. stance. Then on the whistle, they try to drive the other player backwards. If any of you have been to a college practice, they do these at least 2 times a week.
I don't remember doing anything like this in college. We seemed to stand around and play "grab ass" a lot, but we were pretty physical on Saturdays. Maybe if you recruit enough people with a criminal record, you don't have to practice being tough... they get enough of that in the bars ;D
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 5, 2006 13:47:01 GMT -6
one player from #1 & 1 player from #2 line up with 1 yard between them in a 3 pt. stance. Then on the whistle, they try to drive the other player backwards. If any of you have been to a college practice, they do these at least 2 times a week. It gets the players fired up, and is one of the most physical drills you can do. ALMOST every college team runs some variation of this drill. I mis-spoke when I implied that ALL colleges run this. I've been to a handful of college spring practices at different schools since I quit playing, and all the ones I've gone to have run it. I first ran it when I played in college. |
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Post by swarm2ball on Jun 5, 2006 14:04:22 GMT -6
We did something called the "PACK ATTACK" in college. Set up a box, maybe 6 X6 or 8X8 yds. One guy has a ball and he is behind two players. Those three players in a line are facing another player (defender). At the whistle, the first player attacks the defender and he must shed him off. Once the defender sheds the player, the second guy attacks the defender. While this is happening, the first player is peeling behind the second player, waiting for him to attack the defender. Once the defender sheds the second guy, the first player attacks the defender. THIS KEEPS GOING.
The object of this drill is for the defender to tag the ball carrier. Obviously, the ball carrier is following his blocks and avoiding being touched, while the defender keeps hitting and shedding until he either touched the ball carrier or PASSES out. I have seen a kid just fall to his knees and get blasted. Once a defender falls to the ground, whistle blows. But this is a great workout for toughness and stamina.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 5, 2006 14:08:00 GMT -6
Just giving you a hard time CQ... college was a LONG time ago. We probably did something similar in the pre-season at least. We do some 1 on 1 stuff now, but usually get it in group time- everyone is a 2 way player here so OL and DL are the same guys for the most part (except the Guard who is a Corner... seriously).
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 5, 2006 14:15:00 GMT -6
We've got a few OG/OLB personel, but not a OG/Corner guy. That must be pretty interesting.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 5, 2006 18:19:49 GMT -6
We've got a few OG/OLB personel, but not a OG/Corner guy. That must be pretty interesting.
Best available athlete. Slow CB, but pretty quick G. He was a backup QB, but was a better FB player than anyone else we could put at Guard at the time... he did a good job last year and will play there again (may be a LB this year on D though).
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Post by brophy on Jun 6, 2006 9:28:28 GMT -6
TEACH a kid his job and your expectations and he will grow in confidence. A confident player is an AGGRESSIVE player. nuff said.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 7, 2006 14:59:10 GMT -6
TEACH a kid his job and your expectations and he will grow in confidence. A confident player is an AGGRESSIVE player. nuff said.
Good point... on the flip side, players lose aggressiveness when confused.
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Post by brmurf on Jun 11, 2006 10:18:12 GMT -6
We've got a few OG/OLB personel, but not a OG/Corner guy. That must be pretty interesting.Best available athlete. Slow CB, but pretty quick G. He was a backup QB, but was a better FB player than anyone else we could put at Guard at the time... he did a good job last year and will play there again (may be a LB this year on D though). Had a similar kid bout 5 yrs ago. played WR/DB for first 2 yrs.....asked him to move to OL as a JR he started then made All conf as a SR one of the best I ever coached boughtinto the OL mentality absolutely killed people when he pulled |
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