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Post by coveyboyz1 on Sept 15, 2012 0:48:07 GMT -6
I'm having a very difficult time trying to decide who to be! My son has elite speed a willing and effective blocker on the kick-out and the best hands on the team is playing fullback in the double-wing! I have no problem with that and neither does except we only run trap and wedge. No off-tackle and the wings well are slow! I understand how important the kick-out is but how do you take one the fastest kids in a large county and bottle him up by running him into the most congested and least consistently blocked part of the field in youth football? He says is cool with blocking as long as they are winning. He only touched the ball twice and busted 60 yd run the second time touched the ball. Am I being to sensitive about this situation I'm the O-line coach I don't want to come off like Dad or be divisive but OC and I have not seen eye to eye on anything philosophy wise and the HC is intimidated by him. What do you think?
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Post by coachseth on Sept 15, 2012 0:57:49 GMT -6
I run a Wing T Offense and our best player is put at Fullback.
He's also the fastest kid in the league, but he was put there because he gets a bulk of the carries.
I'll say this, as a Coach nothing pisses you off more than when a parent comes up to you and tries to tell you how to do your job. The only thing that remotely comes close is when someone acts like youth football isn't important in the development of players.
That being said, it would be best to keep quiet. A lot of coaches will bench your son if you're causing a problem. If you're unhappy with the coaching than you can simply take him to another league next season, but for now complaining likely will get you nothing but trouble.
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Post by coveyboyz1 on Sept 15, 2012 1:07:21 GMT -6
Yeah this is his last year of rec ball anyways they don't let 6th graders play school ball here. We come from the wing-t mecca in Fla but he has played the 1 back in the single wing and rushed for 23 tds at 12 yards a clip. He is a stud I don't get any genetic credit as he is adopted but I taught him the game. He is the ultimate team player and that is why I'm concerned he has never said anything about his role ever but this one time. I was duped into bringing him to this org by being told I was going to be the HC and when the older team did'nt make I got bumped by some coaches that had there for a few years.
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Post by coachdoug on Sept 15, 2012 3:00:21 GMT -6
If I were the head coach I would have no problem with you bringing your concerns to me - I am always happy to explain my decisions to any player's parent - it really makes no difference if that parent is a coach or not, but I generally always explain everything to the coaches anyway. Don't be surprised if the answer is something along the lines of, "Yes, obviously your son can play WB and he would probably do very well there. I get that playing that position would showcase his abilities better. But, you have to remember that we're not here to showcase any one kid - we're here to try to win as a team and I have to make decisions that are in the best interest of the team, not just one player. We've got 3 other kids that can play WB, probably none of them as well as your son could, but they are all serviceable. However, your son is really the only viable option we have at FB, and FB is the key to this whole offense. If I don't have a reliable FB that can make that kickout block consistently, the whole offense goes to hell. I know it's not where your son wants to play, but it's where we need him."
Now, I'm pretty reasonable and I try to be perceptive, so I would like to think that I would have seen this situation developing long before you ever had to come talk to me, so I would have addressed it with your son long ago - asking him to make the sacrifice for the team and promising him (as a thank you for doing so) some carries at WB (or wherever) once we have games under control.
You'll have to use your own judgement as to whether or not talking with your HC is a good idea.
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Post by dsqa on Sept 15, 2012 5:22:23 GMT -6
Another perspective Doug is what you mentioned as a Father...This is a great opportunity to build character in your son and to prepare you for potentially similar frustration in High School. My son was a D1 wideout and was told by his HS coach that in order for him to touch the ball He would be required to play tailback. With arguably the best QB in town, my son was relegated to Iso and Toss Sweep...It was a long year, but as I looked back trying to take something positive out of it and walk him through it, he got tougher and more resilient...just saying. I'm not Wishing these kind of things on you, but it sounds like you are already Having these kinds of discussions with your son...BTW, decisions like this will always mess with your head more than your son's. Just seems that the kids have perspective we don't as fathers and fans...I've seen this a lot. Let it play out...if its the wrong move, it will be seen by more coaches and said...tough on Dad, I know...It's Passio!
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Post by silkyice on Sept 15, 2012 6:22:27 GMT -6
dsqa,
Great reply!
I would talk with the coach. You sound very level headed and it sounds to me that your thinking is that moving him would be what is best for the team. When you talk with him, don't bring up any former stats. That just doesn't go over well.
Is there a way you can just ask for some reps at WB in practice or as backup WB in the game? Then the OC can decide how he want to do it.
I am in a very similar situation right now with my sons.
I am head coach on the varsity team and we are really good right now. My 9th grade son is the backup guard on varsity and plays some with the varsity. He also is the starting FB/MLB on the JV. I actually am trying to talk my JV coach into moving him to guard on the JV. He is our best FB, but our QB is our best athlete. The way things are working out, the QB just isn't really being that productive at QB. We need to move a 5'2 90 kid who can run the offense to QB and move the QB to FB and my son to guard. I think that might actually make us better. That is your problem in reverse.
My 6th grade son was on a travel baseball team this past spring. We were new to town. He was left field or bench and batted last. It drove my wife crazy. I mean crazy. She was fine in public, but drove me crazy about it. I never said a word and told her it would all work out in the end. We were 0-13 at the time.
She said they are ruining his confidence. I told her it was good for him, and no one can ruin real confidence once you have it. Real confidence comes from within.
Long story short, some changes where made without me saying anything. My son started batting first, pitching, catching, and playing 3rd base. At the end of the season, he led the team in batting by over 150 points, led in runs, stolen bases, rbi's (yes from leadoff), and hits. We went 15-2 over that period and won three tournaments. It all worked out.
This fall he is playing peewee football at our school. In my mind he is clearly the best QB. But we have another QB starting, and you know what - that QB is good also and throws well. My son throws the ball much better, but that isn't as important on peewee. My son is playing WB and DB. He is carrying the ball, catching the ball, blocking like a madman, and hitting hard on defense. They are undefeated and I am not saying a word. It is cool that people notice how well he is doing and say stuff all the time after games how good he is.
Two things bother me: one is that I believe the starting QB's dad has met with the coaches a few times to get them to play his son at QB.
The second is that my son will probably be the starting JV qb next year and isn't getting reps on peewee. He can throw a high school ball better than the peewee QB can throw the little ball - but again the peewee QB throws well. What bothers me is that if he wasn't my son, I would be telling the coaches to play him at QB for this reason. But I ain't saying a word.
ADVERSITY is good.
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Post by coveyboyz1 on Sept 15, 2012 15:02:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback he was just a little frustrated as was I that we were up big and he still didn't get touches. The OC knows what he is because put in a play where he motions from his spot at FB and runs a wheel route and roasted the corner twice,once underthrown and the other went 50 for a TD. We have an athletic QB that constantly claims that the play was broken and ad-libs which costs my son touches because it is always when the play call is to him but nothing is said. He had 15 tkls and 2 picks at MLB last game. He said it's okay as long as they win it probably is more me than him. Like I said before he is the ultimate team player and leader he tried all summer to get on a very good travel baseball team by coming to tournaments and basically just pinch running. He was cheering them on and assisting the Catcher in getting his gear on and it paid off with invite for the Fall season. He knows how it pays off I think I will remain silent and allow it to play out thanks guys!
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 29, 2012 8:15:48 GMT -6
dsqa, Great reply! I would talk with the coach. You sound very level headed and it sounds to me that your thinking is that moving him would be what is best for the team. When you talk with him, don't bring up any former stats. That just doesn't go over well. Is there a way you can just ask for some reps at WB in practice or as backup WB in the game? Then the OC can decide how he want to do it. I am in a very similar situation right now with my sons. I am head coach on the varsity team and we are really good right now. My 9th grade son is the backup guard on varsity and plays some with the varsity. He also is the starting FB/MLB on the JV. I actually am trying to talk my JV coach into moving him to guard on the JV. He is our best FB, but our QB is our best athlete. The way things are working out, the QB just isn't really being that productive at QB. We need to move a 5'2 90 kid who can run the offense to QB and move the QB to FB and my son to guard. I think that might actually make us better. That is your problem in reverse. My 6th grade son was on a travel baseball team this past spring. We were new to town. He was left field or bench and batted last. It drove my wife crazy. I mean crazy. She was fine in public, but drove me crazy about it. I never said a word and told her it would all work out in the end. We were 0-13 at the time. She said they are ruining his confidence. I told her it was good for him, and no one can ruin real confidence once you have it. Real confidence comes from within. Long story short, some changes where made without me saying anything. My son started batting first, pitching, catching, and playing 3rd base. At the end of the season, he led the team in batting by over 150 points, led in runs, stolen bases, rbi's (yes from leadoff), and hits. We went 15-2 over that period and won three tournaments. It all worked out. This fall he is playing peewee football at our school. In my mind he is clearly the best QB. But we have another QB starting, and you know what - that QB is good also and throws well. My son throws the ball much better, but that isn't as important on peewee. My son is playing WB and DB. He is carrying the ball, catching the ball, blocking like a madman, and hitting hard on defense. They are undefeated and I am not saying a word. It is cool that people notice how well he is doing and say stuff all the time after games how good he is. Two things bother me: one is that I believe the starting QB's dad has met with the coaches a few times to get them to play his son at QB. The second is that my son will probably be the starting JV qb next year and isn't getting reps on peewee. He can throw a high school ball better than the peewee QB can throw the little ball - but again the peewee QB throws well. What bothers me is that if he wasn't my son, I would be telling the coaches to play him at QB for this reason. But I ain't saying a word. ADVERSITY is good. Been a very tough off season for me. Going through alot with my son and what will happen with him. This helps me out a ton. Love the last line.
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Post by coachseth on Jan 7, 2013 20:35:30 GMT -6
I don't have a son, so I'll speak from a coaching standpoint.
Coaches love extra help, but if you're going to be a coach you damn well better act like one. What makes me bad about "daddy coaches" is that some of them give their kid special attention instead of giving the team full attention. They also don't put in the full work that serious coaches do. To some coaches this isn't just a hobby, it's what we do and what we love to do. Some coaches go to clinics, some coaches read books, and some coaches do whatever they can to get better. What angers me is when someone wants to help, and aren't willing to put in the work. I take football very seriously, and I want the kids to learn everything they can but when father coaches step in it can cause some serious problems.
Long story short, if you wanna coach then coach...but if you coach be prepared to bust your tail to get better and don't play favorites.
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