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Post by redrobins on Sept 11, 2012 19:40:21 GMT -6
We're in week 4 now and I've still got kids that want to join the team, they have no chance of seeing the field at this point and only those who have put in the off-season commitment have seen playing time this year. Kids who come out late(we've had a few each week) are required to pass a conditioning test to be able to practice so they're not total bums if they do make it. My question is do I keep letting kids join the team this late in the season?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Sept 11, 2012 20:21:10 GMT -6
What are the rules/requirements in order to be on the team? We don't have a conditioning test or anything like that. If a kid wants to play for us, and he has a physical, emergency form, and pay to play, we pad him up. He then has to practice three times without pads, then I think 9 or 10 practices before playing in a game. Yea, they're PT will definitely be limited, but the more the football population grows, the better. If a kid joins the team, just let him know how his playing time will be very limited, or maybe even no time at all if late enough. It doesn't mean they can't help though. Find ways to get them involved/make them feel like they're a part of the team and contributing.
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Post by wybulldogs on Sept 11, 2012 20:56:34 GMT -6
I have two weeks of camp before school starts. Generally if the kid is not already a team member by the 1st day of school, they cannot join the team. Obviously the exception to this rule would be kids that are just moving into the district. It just isn't fair to the kids that put in the hard work and fought through 2 weeks of camp.
Also the number of weeks you missed directly relates to the number of games you will not play in. Miss that first week of camp, you'll sit in the first game.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2012 5:08:37 GMT -6
Freshman/Sophomores come on out join the team! Juniors...ehhhhhhhh....depends a lot on the kid. Seniors....hit the road kid.
We have had kids join late like you mentioned and become very good players for us, now they didn't do much that first year but they were another body for us. Now of course we average 40-50 players 9-12 so we are always looking for numbers to fill in the roster.
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Post by blb on Sept 12, 2012 6:30:53 GMT -6
Am philosophically opposed to it except in case of move-in.
Football is about making a commitment and letting kids come out late not fair to those who were there from the beginning.
Tried it once, let Freshmen come out when school started. Ten more kids to issue-collect equipment from. None of them contributed and none made it to Varsity.
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Post by coachklee on Sept 12, 2012 7:30:42 GMT -6
I'd say the cut-off is the start of school...and that is only for under classmen. And if attendance by them isn't perfect, then hit the road.
For some reason freshman don't seem to remember being told by coaches or on announcements that football starts the 1st full week of August!?!
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 12, 2012 8:03:25 GMT -6
We're a new program with a horrible reputation in years 1 and 2. Year 1 we played in practice uniforms, had no off-season program, etc etc.
Now at the start of year 3, with our off-season program seeing 12 kids a day (21 on the roster), and our 2nd highest roster # ever (2 springs ago we had 26), we were inclined to take kids until after the KOC. I had a feeling after the rumors went flying around about the improved coaching (my 1st year here as HC), the buses and team meals (didn't have them), brand new uniforms, full schedule (no 3 week breaks between games) etc etc. We needed to get those rumors going and let a few late adds in.
However, 2 years from now, I won't let a kid come in after Monday of the 1st day of school. After that you've ducked the off-season prog, and the camp weeks, we can't have that.
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Post by fantom on Sept 12, 2012 9:17:21 GMT -6
Am philosophically opposed to it except in case of move-in. Football is about making a commitment and letting kids come out late not fair to those who were there from the beginning. Tried it once, let Freshmen come out when school started. Ten more kids to issue-collect equipment from. None of them contributed and none made it to Varsity. What about Jimmy Chitwood? |
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Post by blb on Sept 12, 2012 9:24:44 GMT -6
Am philosophically opposed to it except in case of move-in. Football is about making a commitment and letting kids come out late not fair to those who were there from the beginning. Tried it once, let Freshmen come out when school started. Ten more kids to issue-collect equipment from. None of them contributed and none made it to Varsity. What about Jimmy Chitwood? He ran Cross in the Fall to get ready for hoops. |
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Sept 12, 2012 9:27:02 GMT -6
We let Juniors-Freshman come out whenever they want.
They have to make up TWICE as many practices as they miss starting the first week in August.
"Coach I really want to be out with my friends. I love being part of a TEAM..."
"REALLY? good. You have missed 4 weeks of practice...you have to make 8 weeks before you play in a game. What? The season will be over? Its OK you will still be a part of the TEAM"
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Post by coachdennis on Sept 12, 2012 9:29:02 GMT -6
Like most of you, it drives me nuts to have kids and/or their parents calling and e-mailing this time of year, looking to join late. Kids are funny, though, and you never know why they may be joining late. I always think it's worth checking out - sure, most of the kids can't help you, but every once in a while you uncover a gem who for whatever reason, didn't come out for football before now. I live north of the border where we are always battling hockey for kids. (We are willing to share kids with hockey, but rep hockey coaches aren't quite so accommodating.) Some of our late sign-ups are kids for whom the hockey dream has gone sour, and they finally get to try football after wanting to play for some time.
If it is a younger player, the late sign ups can also help you populate your roster for next year, even if a kid can't contribute this year. It's sort of like getting them a head start on next year's Spring ball...
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Post by jonnyjon on Sept 12, 2012 9:30:20 GMT -6
I just can't imagine why some people say football numbers are down...
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Post by blb on Sept 12, 2012 9:36:41 GMT -6
I just can't imagine why some people say football numbers are down... Can't speak for everybody but in our case might be related to an 18% drop in enrollment last three years. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 12, 2012 9:57:16 GMT -6
I just can't imagine why some people say football numbers are down... Seriously? Because people don't want to hand out equipment week 4 for a kid who has no clue what you are doing and has no sweat equity put in??? And what if he actually is better than your starters and you are obliged to play the best 11, then you just showed those kids that while you preach commitment and teamwork it's not what you really mean. Having a kid come out first day of camp without offseason workouts or even first day of school without camp is a TON different then letting someone out 4 weeks into the season. Personally I'd rather not hassle with it past that first day of school, in my experience it's just a rotating door of equipment exchange. Do treat the 9th graders a bit different as they (most of them) start the first week of school. And obviously move ins are a whole different beast, come out, learn what to do and how to do it and we will see where your talent takes you. |
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Sept 12, 2012 10:52:47 GMT -6
Is the reason alot of kids don't play football, or come out late for football because we as coaches PUSH the year-round aspect of it?
OF COURSE off-season weights are important. OF COURSE summer and camp practices are important....
But maybe just maybe that kid can help win some games. Is it fair to those who have worked so hard to win LOSE the games because the COACH was too set in his ways to give him a chance? Maybe the kids want that kid on the team?
Maybe you let your captains decide whether the kid comes out? There are some good athletes in our school who we recruit every year. Most do not come out, but the players know those kids can help us win...so if we do convince them to play how am I supposed to tell the TEAM that I turned down one of the best athletes in the school? How is that fair or honoring their committment?
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Post by jonnyjon on Sept 12, 2012 11:06:50 GMT -6
I wasn't necessarily talking about the 4 week add but the solution is pretty simple. He's missed 20 practices so he owes 20 "days" of after practice conditioning before he can play or something similar.
Kids make mistakes.
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Post by wybulldogs on Sept 12, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -6
You make a habit of doing it, and you'll quickly put the power into the hands of the players. Being part of the football team is a commitment to the team and the coaching staff. Skipping camp, and still being allowed to join the team is a slap in the face to the coaches and the kids that put in the time during camp.
Kids that move into the district are one thing. However, recruiting "athletes" after camp has already passed only tells the rest of your team that even though they've worked their butts off, they aren't good enough. You're only going to replace them with a mercenary, who has been allowed to skip all of the hard work that the rest of the team was put through.
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Post by newhope on Sept 12, 2012 12:57:40 GMT -6
Transfers can come out when they move in. Freshmen can come out up until when school starts (but if they start late, they miss games=the number of weeks since practice began.) Nobody else. They had the opportunity to come to offseason workouts and it was publicized when practice started. The hard work is early on in the heat---you're not going to miss that and then get to come along for the fun times.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 16, 2012 6:00:05 GMT -6
Had a 2 way starter quit after spring and come back for week 3. He owes 4 weeks of conditioning and had to find someone to do it with him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 16, 2012 10:58:11 GMT -6
But maybe just maybe that kid can help win some games. Is it fair to those who have worked so hard to win LOSE the games because the COACH was too set in his ways to give him a chance? Coach, be careful when using the "f" word here (fair). Is it "fair" to those who "have worked so hard to win" not PLAY the games because the coach let someone else who just showed up have a chance? Maybe the kids want to run wishbone? Maybe the kids want to do bull in the ring? Maybe the kids think practicing 2 hours is too long... Situations are different at all schools obviously. However, a quote from either Walsh or Parcells ( I think) has stuck with me in almost EVERYTHING I do. "You can't build a championship program with an 8-8 blueprint" Bringing in kids later in the year "because they can maybe help you win games" is absolutely an 8-8 blueprint. |
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