bear42
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Post by bear42 on Sept 7, 2012 10:36:01 GMT -6
Our HC has told me recently that my Type B, even tempered, personality will not work on the High School Level. This was four days after he told me I was doing a great job, vital to the program and hoped I was around for a long time. I'm the receivers coach and we lost our first game to a much bigger school He said it was more of a MS, 9th or College type coaching style. He is a very very up and down type of a person. Don't know what that has to do with his view, but we are very different. He feels the whole offensive staff is this way and if things don't go well tonight, he will make drastic changes to the staff.
What are your views both pro and con about being a Type B Coach?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Sept 7, 2012 10:44:16 GMT -6
I didn't know you could categorize personalities. Be the best coach you can be, but at the same time, don't be someone you aren't. I've seen drill sergeant type coaches have success, and fail miserably. Same goes for the laid back casual types. Same goes for the in-between.
Some coaches just don't work well with others. Our basketball coach thinks we're Duke University, and anyone who has a different view, or coach's differently than him is almost sure not to return next season.
Do the best you can. It's not about personality. Could he be talking about enforcing team rules? Are you as a staff following through on rules and coaching expectations?
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2012 10:59:43 GMT -6
Our HC has told me recently that my Type B, even tempered, personality will not work on the High School Level. This was four days after he told me I was doing a great job, vital to the program and hoped I was around for a long time. I'm the receivers coach and we lost our first game to a much bigger school He said it was more of a MS, 9th or College type coaching style. He is a very very up and down type of a person. Don't know what that has to do with his view, but we are very different. He feels the whole offensive staff is this way and if things don't go well tonight, he will make drastic changes to the staff. What are your views both pro and con about being a Type B Coach? What is it that he doesn't like and what does he want? |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 7, 2012 11:05:32 GMT -6
Often, people use type b as a euphemism for lazy. Are you there early? Staying late to work on scheme or watch the locker room? Showing urgency in practice? Doing your jobs before being asked? Offering to do the smaller tasks (laundry, film, equipment, stats)?
^issues for head coaches at all levels.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 7, 2012 11:07:07 GMT -6
I think a staff needs a mix of personalities..if I was hom I might adjust resposibilities...he might want to take a look in the mirror. how long have you been coaching there
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 7, 2012 11:12:22 GMT -6
I agree with cb that all coaches should be type A, and it doesn't mean you have to be a tool. Drill Sgt vs Calm teacher isn't appropriate here. I am both roles depending on when it's needed. I can't and won't yell at the players every minute of every practice. But if someone makes a stupid mistake or wastes my time (big on urgency) I WILL GO OFF.
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Post by blb on Sept 7, 2012 11:13:49 GMT -6
Sounds like your header is Type S - as in Schizoid.
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flingt
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Post by flingt on Sept 7, 2012 11:26:29 GMT -6
Be yourself. I am even calm when I am pissed off. I think it scares the hell out of the players because they are just waiting for me to throw a nutty.
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 7, 2012 11:51:37 GMT -6
You cannot be anything other than yourself. Your personality type doesn't matter as long as you hold the kids accountable to their effort, teach them their techniques, and discipline them as needed.
You can be soft spoken and garner respect/fear/admiration/whatever you want, you can be loud and be ignored all the time. Just have a plan.
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bear42
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Post by bear42 on Sept 7, 2012 11:54:33 GMT -6
Lazy isn't the issue, we work very hard has an offensive staff, he also told me that he appreciates the hard work that I personally put in. He told me he was tired of the offense not being productive like he thought it should be. It's been going on four years in his eyes. This is the fourth offense in four years, our QB's are Sr's and haven't played there since 9th grade. We are in a situation where we are still learning the new one and are very close to it jelling. I've been there three years and have been in three different positions, 9th DC, V-line, V-receivers.
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Post by morris on Sept 7, 2012 11:59:46 GMT -6
I don't get that your personality fits MS, 9th and college but not HS. There is a pretty big difference between MS and college.
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2012 12:06:15 GMT -6
I don't get that your personality fits MS, 9th and college but not HS. There is a pretty big difference between MS and college. To me that sounds like, "Anywhere but here". |
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2012 12:09:20 GMT -6
Lazy isn't the issue, we work very hard has an offensive staff, he also told me that he appreciates the hard work that I personally put in. He told me he was tired of the offense not being productive like he thought it should be. It's been going on four years in his eyes. This is the fourth offense in four years, our QB's are Sr's and haven't played there since 9th grade. We are in a situation where we are still learning the new one and are very close to it jelling. I've been there three years and have been in three different positions, 9th DC, V-line, V-receivers. So, what's the Type B thing that he's complaining about? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 12:25:05 GMT -6
If it fits MS, 9th, AND College, then why the hell won't it work on varsity? It sounds to me like your HC is looking to scapegoat you for areas the team is struggling in BECAUSE of his own lack of vision and consistency.
When you say "Type A," I think you really mean "loud, vocal, hard@$$ drill sergeant." That can work to get kids focused and fired up. It can also fail miserably and kill the confidence or enthusiasm of a lot of kids, many of them good, hard working athletes. Or does he mean that he wants an extroverted "rah rah" guy to get the kids pumped up and basically be a cheerleader with a whistle? Those guys have their place, but it's not something to worry about faking. People are complicated. Personalities are complicated.
Personality isn't a "skill" you can learn or change on a whim, but rather an expression of who you are. It's more or less impossible to fundamentally change once you become an adult. If you try to suddenly become "type A," whatever that means, you're likely to feel like a phony, lose your self confidence and sense of purpose, and manage little more besides coming off as a douchebag.
IMO, a team needs at least one or two coaches who are good at screaming and getting the kids going, but you also need those who are calmer and more stoic. Some kids will relate better to one type or the other overall, but all kids will relate better to each type of coaching in different situations.
I say this as someone who's had the same doubts you have at certain points. Then I looked around and realized that most of my coaching heroes, like Bill Walsh, Tom Osborne, LaVell Edwards, and Tom Landry, were all similar. They could get in someone's face when they needed to, but they weren't worried about being "rah rah" guys.
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Post by carookie on Sept 7, 2012 12:44:12 GMT -6
The HC specifically pointed out "even tempered"; and in that aspect is wrong. Ive known plenty of coaches who have been successful and have been even tempered. Some have a mentality that you have to be a screamer and jump down kids throats to be effective; apparently your HC thinks along those lines.
Im sorry you have to deal with that; learn from it, become better. But know that there is nothing wrong or bad about being even tempered
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 8, 2012 7:05:40 GMT -6
Wasn't the coach at Pacific Wesleyan (not sure where exactly) an even tempered VERY successful coach? Your head coach sounds like he needs to see the big picture of things.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Sept 8, 2012 7:43:52 GMT -6
Most successful coaches are intense, high strung, obsess over every detail guys. Doesn't mean you have to be that way. Plenty of coaches have been successful doing it differently.
And college is no different than high school, so that doesn't make any sense. Nothing magical happens between your 18th and 19th birthday, you just work with the bigger and faster of the skirt chasing fools.
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Post by kyle on Sept 8, 2012 10:17:34 GMT -6
Our HC has told me recently that my Type B, even tempered, personality will not work on the High School Level. This was four days after he told me I was doing a great job, vital to the program and hoped I was around for a long time. I'm the receivers coach and we lost our first game to a much bigger school He said it was more of a MS, 9th or College type coaching style. He is a very very up and down type of a person. Don't know what that has to do with his view, but we are very different. He feels the whole offensive staff is this way and if things don't go well tonight, he will make drastic changes to the staff. What are your views both pro and con about being a Type B Coach? In that situation, would it be appropriate to reply with, " {censored} you! I do what I want!" |
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Post by jjm on Sept 9, 2012 12:10:00 GMT -6
Reminds me of a special I saw on TV once. It was on two different schools Grants out of Sac. and Nevada Union from Nevada City/Grass Valley area. The two coaches and athletes could not be any more different. Grants, had a lot of gang pressure, poverty, and was a rough area. Nevada Union was mostly middle class, in the Sierra foothills. The style of coaching was total opposite, the Grants coach was in his players faces and was one tough dude. He had to be to gain any respect. The Nevada Union Coach was much softer spoken and wore a blue fishing hat. Both teams were and are very successful programs. The point to the story was that if you took the Nevada Union coach and the Grants coach and swapped teams. Neither could be as successful because the types of kids and the area would render them ineffective.
I went from coaching in Ca. to the upper Midwest. I had to really tone it down because of the type of athlete was so different. I remember months later the kids said I scared the crap out of them. They had never heard and seen a coach like that. My personality had remained the same over the years, I just had to learn how to read the athletes and approach them in a manner that is effective.
I went from worrying about my athletes being involved in shootings to having to make sure on Wed. we get out of practice early enough for church. My personality never changed but my approach certainly has. Could I go back the other way? Yep, did it for two years in a rough area. We were very successful but my approach was a lot different. As a coach our job is to reach and teach those athletes.
I think the notion that a coach Having to be a certain "type" of personality is crap. All you have to be is effective, there are many ways to skin a cat.
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Post by airman on Sept 9, 2012 16:32:26 GMT -6
I actually think Type A personalities are very ridged individuals who are unable to adapt. You can be detail oriented regardless of personality type.
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 9, 2012 19:01:59 GMT -6
I actually think Type A personalities are very ridged individuals who are unable to adapt. You can be detail oriented regardless of personality type. I agree with this 100%. I think that a lot of the "type A' behavior becomes noise to kids. We had a position coach last year that was so anal about everything, he screamed if everything wasn't perfect, screamed if a kid messed up a drill, screamed when a water bottle was left on the ground and on and on and on. The kids had no respect fro him and quite frankly tuned him out. Be a leader, not a personality type. Get the kids to respect that you are there to work and get it done and they will not need to be screamed at (type A) 24/7. The other thing is a laid back coach that does occasionally yell gets noticed a lot more than someone who is non-stop. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 9, 2012 19:31:08 GMT -6
Are we all aware that personalities don't fit into two tidy little boxes? Anyway, if he's giving you different feedback every day I think that's really more on him than on you.
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Post by coachweav88 on Sept 9, 2012 20:11:41 GMT -6
There are too many successful coaches with vastly different personalites to say that one personality is the only way to be.
Look at Nick Saban and John Gagliardi. Two very different personalities. Both successful.
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 10, 2012 0:35:42 GMT -6
You can be even tempered as long as you're willing to be cold. If a kid f***s up or makes a mistake or doesn't go hard enough, you don't need to scream and holler and throw your visor and flip the cooler, you need to have a reaction in mind that effectively corrects the issue and you can't be afraid to hurt feelings in how you do it. Like the saying goes, if you want to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggs.
But yeah, your HC is full of crap, too.
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bear42
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Post by bear42 on Sept 11, 2012 6:41:29 GMT -6
Funny thing happened this past Friday night. In the HC's pregame speech, he told the players to be Even Tempered: and not get to high or to low. I almost started laughing, actually I did, he just didn't hear it. This came a week after he complained that our players play was a reflection of our personalities and approach.
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