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Post by sondgy66 on Aug 22, 2012 4:28:50 GMT -6
Coaches I need some advice. I am a 1st year HC and have been an assistant at the school for the last 10 years. Every year we run sprints like crazy leading up to the first game, tapering off 2 days before the game trying to get our guys game ready. Our version of game ready is to not get leg cramps in the first game, we always loose a couple starters for much of the game with leg cramps. Does anyone have ANY suggestions. Are we conditioning too much, what are the best foods, what issues does anyone else have with this?
We are 3 days away from our game 1, and I'm wondering if I should hold back a little more today with conditioning.
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Post by John Knight on Aug 22, 2012 5:17:21 GMT -6
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Post by jrog74 on Aug 22, 2012 7:03:56 GMT -6
johnknight, I have been reading these boards for many moons and you never cease to amaze me with the articles you come up with. Good stuff.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Aug 22, 2012 7:53:18 GMT -6
This has been talked about for years here, but I don't know what "search" would take you there. Here, in Florida, this is something we deal with constantly. We talk hydration constantly, he boys just don't listen to us. I've found that pickle juice is not a preventative, however we use it to stop a cramp once it begins. Also, it works better on some people than others. On those it works on-it's instant, on those it doesn't-it makes them better. So, it works. But, no one knows WHY it works because the "cure" is instant. So there's no time for it to be digested. But it's just vinegar that is a little easier to drink because it takes like dill pickles. Bike riders carry little mustard packets, but I think that make me barf. Mustard has vinegar in it. Here's the article I read a few years ago. well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/phys-ed-can-pickle-juice-stop-muscle-cramps/
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Post by veerman on Aug 22, 2012 8:41:17 GMT -6
As a college player I used to eat a bunch of mustard straight, and IMO it helped me not to cramp up. Early in coaching career i discovered pickle juice, and we have had good results with that too. When I ran a Marathon last year I would take mustard and pickle juice before a long run, and also carry something to eat (needed food, 26.2 miles is a long way to run). So I would agree with OJW, try pickle juice and mustard, and see if it helps.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 22, 2012 8:52:49 GMT -6
Pickle juice and spoon full of mustard do work.
We have signs above all the urinals that color code what your pee should/shouldn't look like.
Hydration is part of the equation, diet and the trace minerals are another.
Time of hydration and meals play a role.
An individual's ability to deal with lactic acid build up also are a part of the equation.
Also, kids with very little body fat tend to have a problem with cramps, especially early in the year. I keep a box of power bars/protein bars in my locker and give them out to the kids that I know struggle with cramps from time to time
So all in all, there really is not a magic bullet.
This is what we preach to our kids.
DRINK. Drink beyond your thirst. We allow athletes to keep a water bottle with then all during the day. (as long as it is not a distraction/problem) Avoid caffeine. You should drink so much that you are urinating clearly (no color to the urine) as least every 2 hours.
EAT. Most kids don't eat enough of the proper foods, so I am constantly telling athletes in the cafeteria to eat the fruit that is offered (they can get pretty much as much as they want to eat -- apples, bananas, fruit cocktail, etc....) Salt your food. Eat breakfast every day. Even if all you eat is a peanut butter sandwich. We keep jars of peanut butter and loaf bread around all the time in the locker room for kids make a snack. Bring snacks to keep your book bag. EAT SCHOOL LUNCH! It always kills me to see athletes in the cafeteria skipping lunch.
PREGAME MEAL. We eat about 3 1/2 hours before kick off. Chik-Fil-A, chips, banana, brownie, sports drink.
HALF TIME SNACK. We started this a couple of years ago and it has paid dividends. We have 1/2 of 2 types of fruit (apple, banana, pear, grapes) and 2 fig newtons in a cup waiting for the kids when they come off the field.(Parent group sets this up) They also get 12 oz of sports drink with added salt (about 1 pack worth that you get at a fast food restaurant)
AFTER WORK/GAME FOOD. We don't provide food afterwards, but we do encourage kids to replenish not only the fluids they lose, but to eat hardily after they exert themselves. Of course we always have that peanut butter around if they don't/won't/can't get something at home. Getting the right food in your system within 30 minutes of a strenuous work out is important.
Just work hard to educate your kids about nutrition. Make hand outs, put up signs/posters in and around the locker room as reminders, tell the kids over and over, and communicate to parents (many of them need to be educated as well!).
We give them guidelines to help them make wise choices about what and when to eat. We have a recipe for a 'get huge' shake that can be made at home for much less than can be bought in stores.
If you have kids from low income areas, try and provide extra food/meals/snacks since they won't get it from home. A local grocery store gives us the day old bread and perishables close to expiration date stuff once a week for the kids. Often local restaurants will offer to give team meals as a public out reach/advertisement.
Once you do all that, it is still up to the kids to follow through.
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Post by msirishman on Aug 22, 2012 9:23:02 GMT -6
We keep bottles of mustard on the sideline.
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Post by coachd21 on Aug 22, 2012 9:48:17 GMT -6
Eliminate knee high socks....
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Aug 22, 2012 10:10:56 GMT -6
I just had a kid tell me that his "doctor" told him that Mountain Dew works just the same as Creatine but without the bad side effects....
This is the type of stuff that kills me. We can't even get "educated" people to educate our kids about proper nutrition, supplements, etc.
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Post by threeback on Aug 22, 2012 10:31:14 GMT -6
Coached about as far south in Louisiana as you can go. With the heat and humidity, breathing in August down here is the equivalent of placing a hot, wet wash cloth over your face and running a couple of 40's. As mentioned before, eliminate knee high socks. Cramps were a big problem for us when we had all of our players wearing them. Pedialyte mixed with water worked great for us. Its the stuff recommend for infants and toddlers when they run the risk of dehydration from having diarrhea.
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Post by coachshepherd on Aug 22, 2012 20:24:53 GMT -6
We keep bottles of mustard on the sideline. We do this as well, just packets. Helps combat cramps once they start.
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Post by raiderx on Aug 22, 2012 21:38:13 GMT -6
Pedialyte...the kids hydration drink. Had a former NFL player on staff...he swore by it. Kind of expensive so we get it for our guys who get the most PT or those prone to cramping pre-game.
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Post by tango on Aug 25, 2012 21:11:55 GMT -6
How much and when? Ped, pickle juice, mustard, and we sent a kid to the ER and the doctor told him he drank to much water.
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Post by sondgy66 on Aug 26, 2012 7:37:16 GMT -6
Thank you gentlemen! I took your advice yesterday and had both my running backs go down in the 3rd quarter with leg cramps (unfortunately right toward the end of a drive we couldn't finish). They were back in the game within 5 minutes! It helped a lot, just wish we would've won the game!
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Post by rtiller2 on Aug 26, 2012 12:19:21 GMT -6
coach I use a product called ReHyrdate from Advocare. I've used it in the spring and our KC with no cramps. I start giving them this for pregame drink .
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Aug 26, 2012 22:43:46 GMT -6
OK fellas - PICKLES??? how much pickle juice? Straight from a jar of pickles? just take out the pickles? or should they eat a pickle?
MUSTARD??? how much? 2 packets? ounces?
any specifics would help...
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Post by John Knight on Aug 27, 2012 5:24:35 GMT -6
we have the kids do a small dixie cup before the game, about 3 oz
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Post by coachriley on Sept 6, 2012 22:05:01 GMT -6
For those of you guys that use pickle juice on the sidelines, how do you store it on the sidelines? Like do you put it in a special, or labeled, water bottle? We had our first game tonight and had a few starters all cramping up.
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Post by bear42 on Sept 7, 2012 7:10:31 GMT -6
All these post are geared towards the chemical imbalance and are good to use, but I'd like to add a different approach.
Flexibility is another good preventative, and more specific stretching the antagonist muscle to the calf muscle well help also. That would be the tibialis anterior muscle, the one that runs down the shin. Have your players set on their calves with their feet pointed straight back, lean back and hold do this 2-3 times, for some players they may need to do it more because they are less flexible.
Just another suggestion
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Post by tbel57 on Sept 14, 2012 8:58:45 GMT -6
A mouthful of mustard right as the cramps start. If you don't get them before they have a couple it will not work.
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Post by coachie on Jan 3, 2013 7:21:53 GMT -6
Funny story... We had a water bottle for pickle juice. Young water boy races out with it to give to team during timeout. Referee needs water too. He grabs the pickle juice bottle unknowingly. You should have seen his face once he started drinking. He spit it out like he was on the three stooges. We laugh about it all the time. We know put a big label on that bottle.
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Post by calkayne on Jan 3, 2013 9:20:06 GMT -6
I know this is an old thread, but... there is alot of advice on how to supplement a poor diet. But little to no info on how to adjust the diet of crampers.
In my experience just about every cramp can be put down to poor nutritional habits, especially cramps in the lower leg. How much information do you give your players regarding nutrition? How many of you can afford to have a pregame meal?
In looking at the broader picture of an ahtletes health I have seen a few programms like Jamie Oliver trying to create food awareness in schools. Does anyone have a programm and still has problems?
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2013 10:54:36 GMT -6
Ok this comes straight from the trainer and dr at UT. Once you start cramping the only way to stop it is an iv. Howevere you can help prevent it. It starts two days before the game. Drinking water, gatorraidd, etc. drink a cup or two of pickle juice or eat one big pickle. You want to drink a gallon or more of the water during the day. The next day more of the same. Do not drink tea, cokes, coffee, or the monster type drinks. This was from about 5 years back. I still do it, only had issues one game. It was an afternoon game and the temp on the field was 125.
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Post by sean4498 on Jan 3, 2013 17:33:06 GMT -6
The best I have found to prevent cramps is coconut water. The stuff with pineapple taste much better than the plain. I started drinking it before any long runs (10+ miles) and it really helped me.
This year we had a player who was getting cramps in the first few games. I started giving him coconut water to drink a half hour before the games and he never had them again.
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Post by amthd45 on Jan 3, 2013 18:29:50 GMT -6
Mountain Dew does the same thing as Creatine??? Where in the world did that Dr go to medical school? Maybe he wanted the athlete to just take a placebo instead....
But on the subject of creatine, i strongly advise against it. It will lead to cramps if you dont drink well over a gallon of H2o, and it can lock up your kidneys as well. I worked for an idiot (i wont call him a coach he is not worthy of that title) and he would encourage the kids to take "pre workout" supplements (which contain creatine/caffiene) before games!!! I told him that was dangerous and he thought i was trying to argue with him. So long story short, we get into a game in the hot, humid, Florida heat in September and we have kids cramping up left and right. The following Monday he thinks we dont condition enough and runs the kids into the ground till more of them are cramping. Then afte practice he goes around the team to poll the kids and see who has been taking their supplements (none of the kids did cause i told them not to do so). SO then he yells at them for this and tells them if they want to play they gotta take their supplements!!!
i could go on and on , but it would only bring up really bad memories of the one year i spent working for this moron.
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