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What to Show? Aug 16, 2012 23:47:30 GMT -6

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Post by coachbdud on Aug 16, 2012 23:47:30 GMT -6

It is time to bring up this annual question...

What do you guys show in our pre season scrimmage? What do you not show?
Reasoning behind each...

We have gone back and forth about what to show offensively as a staff and I see valid points on each side of the fence

First opponent will be at the scrimmage scouting us tomorrow night...
I know many will say, just run your stuff, screw it get better at what you do...

Have a couple kids banged up that we will likely hold out, not hiding them but just trying to keep them healthy for the season

Formation and play wise some coaches think we just show them 2x2 and trips, and that way they wont be as well prepared to adjust to any of our other sets... TE sets, Goal Line "heavier" sets

I am leaning towards running all of our formations, actually I might even tell a kid to move here or there, run something we do not even do in terms of normal alignment but just for a play or two... My thinking is this... it takes me one word or sentence to move a WR or TE or RB around... but they might spend a total of 30 minutes out of their practice week on it, covering it...

Which would take way from the time they can put into stopping our "base plays" that I really want to run

Do you try to set plays up? Running base things a ton, but saving the counter, or "constraint" for the game...

Do you show it all , again so they have to cover it all in practice and end up short changing themselves in other areas

I would just like to hear others views on it and why

I dont think there is a "right" answer

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 5:37:20 GMT -6

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Post by coachbuck on Aug 17, 2012 5:37:20 GMT -6

Im pretty much going to show them what we got at this point. I want to see how my team reacts. Can we as a team run the offense according to plan. Im looking for our weaknesses and maybe some scheme things we didnt forsee that may arise.

spartancoach Senior Member Posts: 1,096	What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 6:51:19 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by spartancoach on Aug 17, 2012 6:51:19 GMT -6 Since we don't really game plan for scrimmages we really don't have much to hide. We run all of our base offense and focus on our alignment, assignment and execution.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 7:40:22 GMT -6

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Post by coachwilliams2 on Aug 17, 2012 7:40:22 GMT -6

We don't game plan, but we want to make sure we put our kids in a position to have some success.

I look at it as a chance to get kids on film running base stuff (which should be most of your gameplan every week anyway) so that we can get it fixed before game #1.

We don't hide anything, but we usually do not end up showing a whole lot either. Formationally I stay basic so that game one, we still have an ace or two up our sleeve.

I definately don't think I would do anything in a scrimmage that I would not do in a game...just my opinion.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 7:49:27 GMT -6

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Post by 40pergame on Aug 17, 2012 7:49:27 GMT -6

We don't game plan either, but we want our kids to be succcessful. We will run our base offense out of a limited number of looks.

The goal to me is to get ready to win the first game. We will do our best to "set-up" our first opponent. And they have an entirely new staff, so they do not know what we do best.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -6

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Post by carookie on Aug 17, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -6

I coached for a HC who for several years straight called the same offensive script for every scrimmage; which at times led to him running all 9's from the 3 yard line. Defensively I just went back and forth from Blitz A to Blitz B. The key is to run the stuff you like to do and see how good you are, but not to play call to give away tendencies.

A couple years ago opened up the season against a cross the street rival who had a new head coach. All we had to judge them on was their scrimage, in which they ran mostly 2x2 spread and some single back under center. Game starts and they run 90% gun empty, mostly jet and qb run stuff. Final tally gave them 2 tds (and one of them scored in the last minute of garbage time). The point being, I don't think you should try to hide too much

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fballcoachg Senior Member Posts: 1,835	What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by fballcoachg on Aug 17, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -6 I would just hold back on your counters and play action...other then that work on what you need to get better at.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 9:45:48 GMT -6

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Post by fantom on Aug 17, 2012 9:45:48 GMT -6

Aug 16, 2012 23:47:30 GMT -6 coachbdud said:

It is time to bring up this annual question...

What do you guys show in our pre season scrimmage? What do you not show?
Reasoning behind each...

We have gone back and forth about what to show offensively as a staff and I see valid points on each side of the fence

First opponent will be at the scrimmage scouting us tomorrow night...
I know many will say, just run your stuff, screw it get better at what you do...

Have a couple kids banged up that we will likely hold out, not hiding them but just trying to keep them healthy for the season

Formation and play wise some coaches think we just show them 2x2 and trips, and that way they wont be as well prepared to adjust to any of our other sets... TE sets, Goal Line "heavier" sets

I am leaning towards running all of our formations, actually I might even tell a kid to move here or there, run something we do not even do in terms of normal alignment but just for a play or two... My thinking is this... it takes me one word or sentence to move a WR or TE or RB around... but they might spend a total of 30 minutes out of their practice week on it, covering it...

Which would take way from the time they can put into stopping our "base plays" that I really want to run

Do you try to set plays up? Running base things a ton, but saving the counter, or "constraint" for the game...

Do you show it all , again so they have to cover it all in practice and end up short changing themselves in other areas

I would just like to hear others views on it and why

I dont think there is a "right" answer

I think you run all of your base stuff-all the stuff that you plan on running all year. You need to get your kids used to running it under fire. You're only going to be able to hide stuff until the first game so if it's something you'll be needing all year you might as well go ahead and run it.

As for throwing extra stuff in to throw off the scouts, I wouldn't bother. I'd worry about confusing our own kids.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 12:29:22 GMT -6

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Post by wingtol on Aug 17, 2012 12:29:22 GMT -6

What format is your scrimmage? Our first scrimmage is about 20 O and 20 D for the 1st team then it's scaboogie time. We are gonna work on our base stuff and see who can play and who can't. That's the most important thing to us. Of course we have stuff for game 1 we are working on but right now it's do we have kids in the right spots and who is gonna get it done when the bullets are flying.

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What to Show? Aug 17, 2012 14:53:45 GMT -6

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Post by newhope on Aug 17, 2012 14:53:45 GMT -6

Scrimmages are to find out what your players can do, so we do the things in scrimmage that we need to take a look at, from both a player and a scheme standpoint. We play all of our kids, get a good look at all of them, and every now and then we might throw something in there just to mess up your mind---like a screwy punt formation, for example.

Post by coachbdud on Aug 16, 2012 23:47:30 GMT -6

Post by coachbuck on Aug 17, 2012 5:37:20 GMT -6

Post by spartancoach on Aug 17, 2012 6:51:19 GMT -6

Post by coachwilliams2 on Aug 17, 2012 7:40:22 GMT -6

Post by 40pergame on Aug 17, 2012 7:49:27 GMT -6

Post by carookie on Aug 17, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -6

Post by fballcoachg on Aug 17, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -6

Post by fantom on Aug 17, 2012 9:45:48 GMT -6

Post by wingtol on Aug 17, 2012 12:29:22 GMT -6

Post by newhope on Aug 17, 2012 14:53:45 GMT -6