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Post by hback41 on Aug 10, 2012 17:16:55 GMT -6
I have coached football, wrestling, track and basketball. In my experience, Football coaches yell and curse far more than any other set of coaches. In wrestling, it is hand to hand combat where you are often trying to physically harm the other person. Yet, the wrestling coaches I have worked with rarely yell at practice.
Why do you guys think that is? Just wondering.
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Aug 10, 2012 17:26:42 GMT -6
Post by airman on Aug 10, 2012 17:26:42 GMT -6
I rarely yell. when i do the world stops.. If a kid is not getting it right I just send him on a trip to the tree of knowledge.
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Aug 10, 2012 18:14:50 GMT -6
Post by Chris Clement on Aug 10, 2012 18:14:50 GMT -6
It's probably related to football being outdoors, so even compliments have to be yelled. And I don't really see much yelling outside of TV shows, yelling for me is a sign of a serious problem at practice. Not to say I never yell, but it's only a couple times a season.
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Aug 10, 2012 19:41:10 GMT -6
Post by op4shadow on Aug 10, 2012 19:41:10 GMT -6
we never yell...rather, we use the proper amount of corrective enthusiasm. haha. honestly, my yelling has severly declined since i first starting coaching...at least in terms of discipline. if i feel i need to yell at a kid, i just send him to the sideline by himself. the bench is a great motivator.
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Aug 10, 2012 19:42:36 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Aug 10, 2012 19:42:36 GMT -6
I have coached football, wrestling, track and basketball. In my experience, Football coaches yell and curse far more than any other set of coaches. In wrestling, it is hand to hand combat where you are often trying to physically harm the other person. Yet, the wrestling coaches I have worked with rarely yell at practice. Why do you guys think that is? Just wondering. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards It might simply be a matter of the coaches in the programs where you've coached. I know of some basketball coaches who can go with the best of them.
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Aug 10, 2012 21:07:52 GMT -6
Post by Yash on Aug 10, 2012 21:07:52 GMT -6
I'd rather coach than yell. (in terms of the meaning/ use of the word yell in this case) Obviously you have to raise your voice to be heard outside and at the distances we coach. In terms of yelling at a kid, only about effort. Swearing at a kid, never. No need for it. Swearing at a kid doesn't make him want to play for you. Kids got enough going on outside of football to get swore at from me to. Build them up, get them to buy in and they'll eat a bag of crap for you if they know you love them.
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Aug 10, 2012 21:11:25 GMT -6
Post by coachrobpsl on Aug 10, 2012 21:11:25 GMT -6
I started wrestling in 3rd grade. I kept going until me senior year in hs and then for a year in the Army. I truly cannot remember ever being yelled at(except for motivation and encouragement)by a wrestling coach but they were the absolute most intense guys I have ever been around. I remember a bunch of yelling by football coaches. Team sports are different then individual sports as far as coaching goes. Individual sports are much more of a reflection on the athlete. One of the reasons why I still think wrestling is the best sport around. No finger pointing or excuses.
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Aug 10, 2012 23:04:44 GMT -6
Post by newt21 on Aug 10, 2012 23:04:44 GMT -6
it also has to do with hearing with a helmet on. with that being said, i used to yell any time a kid messed up an assignment, fortunately i've matured past that. i only yell at a kid when they don't give effort, or when they make the same assignment error 3x after i've corrected them. any time they get it right i'm always the first to let them know they're doing great!
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Post by mattyg2787 on Aug 10, 2012 23:20:09 GMT -6
I don't yell as a coach. I will call across the field but screaming at kids just sucks. I actually told one of my coaches to go and do something graphic to himself as he was dressing down a player next to me. There is no need for it. If guys don't know how to do something, its either time to bench the guy or look at yourself as a coach. As a player I got into a massive argument a few weeks back with another player who wouldn't listen to me about who he was meant to be blocking.
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Aug 11, 2012 9:47:05 GMT -6
Post by dblwngr on Aug 11, 2012 9:47:05 GMT -6
I'm a varsity coach (not a yeller) but I'm also an Athletic Director of a youth league. This is the theory I've came up with for Yeller's, at least at the youth level.
Football = Tough + The fact I don't know sh!t about football = I need to be a yeller to sound tough = I at least sound tough so maybe people will think I know about football. ;D
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Aug 11, 2012 12:14:16 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Aug 11, 2012 12:14:16 GMT -6
Maybe the personality differences have something to do with the nature of the sports. Wrestling is an individual sport and wrestlers spend a lot of time running on their own or working out in pairs or small groups. They tend to be pretty introspective types. Football coaches used to be football players. It's a large team, outdoors, with a lot of spontaneous emotion.
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Aug 11, 2012 12:23:16 GMT -6
Post by davishfc on Aug 11, 2012 12:23:16 GMT -6
we never yell...rather, we use the proper amount of corrective enthusiasm. haha. I like that.
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Aug 11, 2012 12:24:57 GMT -6
Post by davishfc on Aug 11, 2012 12:24:57 GMT -6
Football = Tough + The fact I don't know sh!t about football = I need to be a yeller to sound tough = I at least sound tough so maybe people will think I know about football. Hilarious!
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Aug 11, 2012 13:34:28 GMT -6
Post by blb on Aug 11, 2012 13:34:28 GMT -6
I don't raise my voice in a negative way unless a lack of effort or a mental mistake has taken place, for the third time.
Just like I did with my two daughters.
I also make sure I congratulate good plays, not as if it was just expected.
Our kids know when I get a few decibels above normal - it's important.
And they better be listening to what is said, not the volume.
Because I'm coaching them on how to construct an improved performance, not just calling them out for what they did wrong.
You have to use your voice effectively. If you're yelling all the time after awhile they don't hear what you're saying, only how.
Can't be a robot. Must think about what we do and say with our kids.
And motivation mostly comes in Individual when kids can see you care about them and they're improving.
That's coaching.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Aug 11, 2012 15:45:02 GMT -6
I don't raise my voice in a negative way unless a lack of effort or a mental mistake has taken place, for the third time. Just like I did with my two daughters. I also make sure I congratulate good plays, not as if it was just expected. Our kids know when I get a few decibels above normal - it's important. And they better be listening to what is said, not the volume. Because I'm coaching them on how to construct an improved performance, not just calling them out for what they did wrong. You have to use your voice effectively. If you're yelling all the time after awhile they don't hear what you're saying, only how. Can't be a robot. Must think about what we do and say with our kids. And motivation mostly comes in Individual when kids can see you care about them and they're improving. That's coaching. And that is fine. Telling a kid he is a waste of oxygen cause he can't block that monster end isn't Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards
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Aug 11, 2012 17:16:18 GMT -6
Post by macdiiddy on Aug 11, 2012 17:16:18 GMT -6
Yelling has its time and place.
Those who yell and scream about everything tend to have their points fall on deaf ears. However, if you are calm and reasonable and then raise your voice in opportune moments, you will receive a greater response.
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Aug 11, 2012 18:11:05 GMT -6
Post by davishfc on Aug 11, 2012 18:11:05 GMT -6
I don't raise my voice in a negative way unless a lack of effort or a mental mistake has taken place, for the third time. Just like I did with my two daughters. I also make sure I congratulate good plays, not as if it was just expected. Our kids know when I get a few decibels above normal - it's important. And they better be listening to what is said, not the volume. Because I'm coaching them on how to construct an improved performance, not just calling them out for what they did wrong. You have to use your voice effectively. If you're yelling all the time after awhile they don't hear what you're saying, only how. Can't be a robot. Must think about what we do and say with our kids. And motivation mostly comes in Individual when kids can see you care about them and they're improving. That's coaching. Do you have an opening on your staff blb? I know I could be an assistant for you.
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Aug 12, 2012 10:04:48 GMT -6
Post by coachplaa on Aug 12, 2012 10:04:48 GMT -6
Kids get yelled at, at home; and mine do not respond to it at all. I tell my coaches that a coach who yells, is very similar to a kid that uses cuss words as adjectives. There are much better ways to get your message across.
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Post by coachplaa on Aug 13, 2012 19:55:24 GMT -6
I should elaborate, when I referred to yelling I was referring more to game night. Im not a big yeller, but I'll get after it at least once a week for crappy effort.
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Aug 14, 2012 4:25:06 GMT -6
Post by spoonie on Aug 14, 2012 4:25:06 GMT -6
I definitely agree that it's something that loses its impact with increased frequency. If you're someone who's always shouting and screaming, players stop noticing after a while and then you have to find another way to have an impact. Same goes if you're someone who swears all the time, it loses its impact quick and you just come across as someone with a limited vocabulary.
Varying your tone, pitch, rate of speech and volume are powerful tools and can be well utilised in reinforcing your message.
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Aug 15, 2012 20:58:31 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Aug 15, 2012 20:58:31 GMT -6
I'm loud because... well... I'm loud.
I don't 'yell' with the intent of damaging a player's self esteem or confidence, except in occasions where I lose my cool. Rather, I do as op4shadow said and show proper corrective enthusiasm so that more than one person can learn from a mistake.
If I'm being loud, things are normal. I save a little something for when I need to 'bite', but I bark a lot.
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Aug 16, 2012 0:58:04 GMT -6
Post by coachgeorge31 on Aug 16, 2012 0:58:04 GMT -6
I find that kids pay more attention when you are not screaming at them all the time. Most of the time when a coach is constantly yelling they are also the type that are not actually telling a player how to get better. When I really get pissed I actually talk quieter and the kids respond by shutting up and getting to work. However, it does have to do with the kid. Some kids respond to coaches who "coach loudly," but demeaning kids is pointless.
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Aug 16, 2012 1:45:32 GMT -6
Post by coachbuck on Aug 16, 2012 1:45:32 GMT -6
Ill yell when we show lack of effort, or not paying attention. One thing that really gets me is when I tell a player guard for example how to pull or who he is blocking and then his replacement makes the same mistake for lack of attention. I hate double coaching. One problem Im having this year is lack of participation. I have 40 freshman, Ill tell the players give me a scout d. We have 8 kids go out there. Its to the point if they dont have enough I just make them run. Now Ive made it miserable for them. The kids that are not participating have to run in place while play is going on. Im tired of yelling "we need a scout D". The kids are hiding out on purpose. Ive never seen it at this level where kids are not fighting to get on the field. Im over yelling about it. I told them "they dont care to get on the filed then I dont care either" So yeah Im a yeller but like everyone on here Im a good yeller.........yeah right.
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Aug 16, 2012 7:09:13 GMT -6
Post by wingt74 on Aug 16, 2012 7:09:13 GMT -6
Kids get yelled at, at home; and mine do not respond to it at all. I tell my coaches that a coach who yells, is very similar to a kid that uses cuss words as adjectives. There are much better ways to get your message across. bingo. Agree 100%. Yelling should be a positive thing (aka cheering), or just because the person you are trying to talk to is far away. If a player screws up, look them in the eye, and give them the direction they need...even if it's for the tenth time.
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Aug 16, 2012 7:48:39 GMT -6
Post by coachbuck on Aug 16, 2012 7:48:39 GMT -6
Kids get yelled at, at home; and mine do not respond to it at all. I tell my coaches that a coach who yells, is very similar to a kid that uses cuss words as adjectives. There are much better ways to get your message across. bingo. Agree 100%. Yelling should be a positive thing (aka cheering), or just because the person you are trying to talk to is far away. If a player screws up, look them in the eye, and give them the direction they need...even if it's for the tenth time. I have yet to meet a coach that for the tenth time at practice would calmly tell his player. You have a kick out block on that play. I dont see this as realistic but if you can do it wingt that is awesome. You have way more patience than me and Im not saying that sarcastically.
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Aug 16, 2012 10:20:24 GMT -6
Post by WTR on Aug 16, 2012 10:20:24 GMT -6
Effort and repeated missed assignments by players that I know can do it is the only time I will really take it up a notch or if I'm instructing the entire defense at once.
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Aug 16, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Aug 16, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -6
I don't yell much but I'm human and can get frustrated. Here's what happened yesterday:
In our team period our second team tackles missed assignments on 27 Power and 26 Seal consecutively. 27 Power and 26 Seal were the first two plays that we put in in camp in June. We have run 27 Power and 26 Seal in every practice session since then (once a week all summer and six official practices). We have given them a chart showing the blocking assignment for each player on each play. Not thirty minutes earlier we had walked and talked through every run play on the practice script, including 27 Power and 26 Seal, and had them tell me their assignments before walking through the play. We have done that every day.
Then, on consecutive plays, we had blown assignments on 27 Power and 26 Seal.
To add to the merriment we already know that our starting LT will miss next week's scrimmage so we desperately need one of the second OTs to step up.
Only three things bother me on the field-mental errors, lack of focus, and lack of effort-because none of them require talent. When our #2 LT whiffed in pass pro I didn't get mad. I didn't yell when our #2 RT got crushed by our starting 4 tech. Those were either technique problems, which can be fixed, or a lack of ability, which can't be helped. When they screw up the first two plays that we installed it does get frustrating.
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Aug 16, 2012 11:22:20 GMT -6
Post by flingt on Aug 16, 2012 11:22:20 GMT -6
I don't raise my voice in a negative way unless a lack of effort or a mental mistake has taken place, for the third time. Just like I did with my two daughters. I also make sure I congratulate good plays, not as if it was just expected. Our kids know when I get a few decibels above normal - it's important. And they better be listening to what is said, not the volume. Because I'm coaching them on how to construct an improved performance, not just calling them out for what they did wrong. You have to use your voice effectively. If you're yelling all the time after awhile they don't hear what you're saying, only how. Can't be a robot. Must think about what we do and say with our kids. And motivation mostly comes in Individual when kids can see you care about them and they're improving. That's coaching. No sir....that's teaching. But wait, what are coaches again?
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Aug 16, 2012 11:42:41 GMT -6
Post by calkayne on Aug 16, 2012 11:42:41 GMT -6
I have coached football, wrestling, track and basketball. In my experience, Football coaches yell and curse far more than any other set of coaches... Football teams are large. Basketball has fewer players and the court isnt that big, wrestling is an individual sport the Coach wont need to yell at 1 or 5 people, but if 8 people are causing mayhem and endangering a good practice through bad habits then generally speaking the voice gets loud to adress everyone. My coaching style is pretty loud. I try not to curse or yell or loose my temper but even on a good day I will be loud at somepoint. But never to an individual, if I am yelling I am frustrated with the performance of a group of players, or I am being enthusiastic about a good play.
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Aug 17, 2012 5:32:56 GMT -6
Post by coachbuck on Aug 17, 2012 5:32:56 GMT -6
I don't yell much but I'm human and can get frustrated. Here's what happened yesterday: In our team period our second team tackles missed assignments on 27 Power and 26 Seal consecutively. 27 Power and 26 Seal were the first two plays that we put in in camp in June. We have run 27 Power and 26 Seal in every practice session since then (once a week all summer and six official practices). We have given them a chart showing the blocking assignment for each player on each play. Not thirty minutes earlier we had walked and talked through every run play on the practice script, including 27 Power and 26 Seal, and had them tell me their assignments before walking through the play. We have done that every day. Then, on consecutive plays, we had blown assignments on 27 Power and 26 Seal. To add to the merriment we already know that our starting LT will miss next week's scrimmage so we desperately need one of the second OTs to step up. Only three things bother me on the field-mental errors, lack of focus, and lack of effort-because none of them require talent. When our #2 LT whiffed in pass pro I didn't get mad. I didn't yell when our #2 RT got crushed by our starting 4 tech. Those were either technique problems, which can be fixed, or a lack of ability, which can't be helped. When they screw up the first two plays that we installed it does get frustrating. This is exactly how I feel and this is what I tell my kids. You may not be as talented but it doesnt take talent to pay attention and know your job. Lack of focus and effort I will yell.
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