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Post by scottmurdock on May 22, 2007 10:49:01 GMT -6
What do you do If you are understaffed and the postition that is with out a coach is the QB coach?
Our Offense needs alot of work when it comes to QB RB mesh points, but our QBs have horrible throwing mechanics.
What do the veteran coaches out there suggest we do to make sure our QBs work both with RBs and WRs and how do we get them a good amount of INDY time?
thanks
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Post by wildcat on May 22, 2007 11:08:03 GMT -6
Have to coach up those QBs...what I would say to do is have a "QB Clinic" where you get together with your QBs 2-3 times a week at night...have to find time to do it! If you can't spare a coach in practice during indivual time, those guys have to get it somewhere else.
Also, I was a little confused...is there no one on your staff who knows how to coach QBs or is it just a problem of not having enough coaches?
I guess it also depends on your offense...if you are QB-intensive and plan on throwing the ball a lot, you had better find someone who can work with those guys every day. If, on the other hand, your offense is more RB-oriented, you can probably do a lot with working the QBs and the RBs together.
Personally, I would make sure that the QBs had a coach...too important of a position to not get attention...in fact, the two positions I would make darn sure were covered by quality coaches on the offensive side are QB and the OL...if you are bad in those two spots, everything else is going to crumble.
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Post by brophy on May 22, 2007 11:11:23 GMT -6
Kidnap Darin Slack.
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lmorris
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Post by lmorris on May 22, 2007 11:55:40 GMT -6
granted I am inexperienced but how many coaches are we talking about?
Are you two platooning?..with offensive and defensive coaches?..or working all together?..how many players are you working with and what offense are you running?
In the position i am in we will only have 3 coaches next year for about 50-60 kids One of the things we have talked about doing next year is during individual time, have the rbs go with qbs first working on hand-offs mesh points and pitch relationships. then the second half of individual the backs will go with recievers working on hand drills. While the Qbs work on footwork drills, with midline, rollouts and 3-5 step drops.
The second part of practice will be a group type session working on route tree with rb's and rec's while qb's go over passing concepts and reads, then the rb's will come back with the qb's to work on concepts before going to inside 7 or pass scale depending on the day.
not sure if this helps at all I am only a 2nd year coach. Maybe someone can provide some insite that could make this more effecient.
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Post by midlineqb on May 22, 2007 14:15:34 GMT -6
Have the RB coach also coach the QB's. This way you are able work on the timing between the 2 groups. When you need to work with the QB's by themselves, send the RB's with the Receivers to work on routes and catching the ball or with the OL to work on blocking techniques. This is what we did when we had a staff of 3 coaches, including the HC. It worked for us. All 3 of us had to coach defensive positions also. Not a great situation since we had close to 50 kids out 9-12 and the school wouldn't hire anymore coaches.
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Post by easye17 on May 22, 2007 17:22:57 GMT -6
I think you can coach the QB's and RB's together on the running game, mesh, etc. However, you shouldn't teach a QB mechanics unless you know the mechanics yourself. Its amazing what some QB's are taught when you work QB camps and you see them and you ask them where they learned what they know. "My coach read it on the internet", "my coach saw it at a clinic", etc. You can do a lot of harm if you teach players to do something that you don't know in and out yourself. I think that goes beyond QB's too and really applys to all positions.
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Post by 4-2-5 on May 22, 2007 17:46:37 GMT -6
Back when I played in high school. The QB's split up between RB's and WR's. While I was with the RB's I worked footwork and mesh point of the run game. When I was with the Wideouts the WR coach work footwork and throwing motioning. As an offense we ran the ball about 40 times a game and throw it 20 times a game.
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Post by dsqa on May 25, 2007 22:04:20 GMT -6
LOL brophy! I am not that unwilling to help...
Coach murdock, Feel free to e-mail me with your concerns, and I will be happy to help in any way I can. I am also happy to speak with you anytime about things you can do.
Just offering, no obligation.
Coach Darin Slack
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Post by kkennedy on May 25, 2007 22:20:57 GMT -6
run the single wing.
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Post by coachf on May 25, 2007 22:38:46 GMT -6
What do you do If you are understaffed and the postition that is with out a coach is the QB coach? Our Offense needs alot of work when it comes to QB RB mesh points, but our QBs have horrible throwing mechanics. What do the veteran coaches out there suggest we do to make sure our QBs work both with RBs and WRs and how do we get them a good amount of INDY time? thanks You need to do everything you can to work with the QB's. We had this problem last year and I thought that the QB's could get work with the RB's and still do fine. I was wrong. Big time. They need individual coaching and instruction.
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Post by saintrad on May 25, 2007 23:31:02 GMT -6
i would have to agree....also could entice jhwana too
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Post by sls on May 26, 2007 12:46:59 GMT -6
I have run the spread without a QB coach for 2 years. My entrie staff is made up of old Lineman. I work with the QB's. Part of the reason I went to the gun was that as i studied everything I decided that the footwork was easier from the gun than underneath. We have been pretty successful with the spread with out a QB coach. One of the old guys from JCFb told me that if you don't have the knowledge to break down a QB's mechanics, spend most of your time just throwing routes on air and find out what your Qb can do best.
I would love a QB coach, but this works for us.
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Post by sls on May 26, 2007 12:47:45 GMT -6
I always show Darrin's videos' with my QB's in the summer. I am another supporter of his.
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Post by wildcat on May 26, 2007 17:04:20 GMT -6
I Its amazing what some QB's are taught when you work QB camps and you see them and you ask them where they learned what they know. "My coach read it on the internet", "my coach saw it at a clinic", etc. Coach - I have to disagree with you...if you want to be a well-rounded coach, you need to be able to coach every position. If you didn't play a particular position, you need to learn it. If that means learning it from the Internet, clinics, videos, whatever...you do what you have to do. I played on the offensive line in high school and college and have coached the offensive line the last six years. I will be at a new school this fall and still primarily working with the OL, but will also be working with receivers. Didn't know anything about receivers until I started going to clinics, asking questions, and watching videos. You have to learn somewhere.
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Post by clloyd on May 28, 2007 12:56:33 GMT -6
What about during a game, shouldn't the QB have a coach to talk to while the defense is on the field. I am struggling with that because I as the HC will probably be the QB coach aswell, but I need and want to be available to help with the defense and communicate with the defensive coordinator. I would probably have trouble doing that if I was talking the whole time to the qb?
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Post by easye17 on May 28, 2007 14:59:20 GMT -6
Quick check with the QB. You don't have to overload him with info. At the end of each series, ask him what he saw, tell him what you're thinking, answer any questions. I'm a fulltime OC/QB coach and that's all I do with my QB. I really try not to put too much in his head cause I want him reacting and not thinking too much.
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Post by coachhortman on May 28, 2007 21:02:37 GMT -6
If you are a head coach that is the OC/QB coach, if you wear headphones you can commiuncate with your DC if he needs you while talking to the QB. The best possible thing is to have a DC that handles everything on defense like Ronnie Alexander did for us for several years. We are fortunate enough to have a head coach that knows offense, defense, and special teams as he was the O-Line coach last year along with being the special teams coach for several years. Before he came to the O-Line he was our secondary coach for years so he knows the game well.
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