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Post by 19delta on Jul 24, 2012 22:00:25 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone had an answer to this...
According to the punishments handed down by the NCAA, current Penn State players are allowed to leave the school for any other school and be immediately eligible to play.
I'm assuming that most other D-1 schools already have their full compliment of scholarship athletes on board. So, my question is, if another university wants a current Penn State player, would they have to cut one of their players to make room?
Can that happen this late in the season? Sounds pretty rough if some kid suddenly gets a call from his coach letting him know that he won't be coming back to school in a few weeks because his scholarship just got taken away.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2012 22:04:30 GMT -6
With grayshirting and oversigning it wasn't entirely uncommon for a kid to be out in the cold come August, but those were incoming freshmen. I don't know when the renewal date is for returning players, but I imagine that coach would be crucified on the recruiting trail thereafter.
I think enough big schools have a couple spots left to pluck most of the good players if there is an exodus, but it could be that the real issue is next year, when the gaining teams can plan around it. I have a feeling it's going to be anarchy.
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Post by paulsonj72 on Jul 24, 2012 22:13:19 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone had an answer to this... According to the punishments handed down by the NCAA, current Penn State players are allowed to leave the school for any other school and be immediately eligible to play. I'm assuming that most other D-1 schools already have their full compliment of scholarship athletes on board. So, my question is, if another university wants a current Penn State player, would they have to cut one of their players to make room? Can that happen this late in the season? Sounds pretty rough if some kid suddenly gets a call from his coach letting him know that he won't be coming back to school in a few weeks because his scholarship just got taken away. Thought I read that if a Penn St player tranfers to a new school they will not count against the new school's scholarship limmit THIS YEAR. If said player has more than one year eligibility left then they would count starting next year. But then again I may be wrong. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2012 22:17:56 GMT -6
But they're eligible to play immediately? Maybe it will count against the 85, but not the 25/yr. This is really complicated.
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Post by agap on Jul 24, 2012 22:30:22 GMT -6
It will not count against their 85 this year, but it will next year. That's what I read.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 24, 2012 23:21:46 GMT -6
So, if another school wants a current Penn State player, they can give that player a scholarship even if they already have 85 kids on scholarship?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2012 23:39:39 GMT -6
So, if another school wants a current Penn State player, they can give that player a scholarship even if they already have 85 kids on scholarship? I believe that is the case. However, the receiving team will have to "balance it" next year. |
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Post by paulsonj72 on Jul 25, 2012 0:27:00 GMT -6
According to the bottom line on ESPN here is the situation. Current players can transfer up until the 2013 season without having to sit out a year. Off campus and telephone recruting restrictions are not being enforced until classes begin at Penn St for the fall semester. Not sure of scholarship rules.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 25, 2012 5:47:13 GMT -6
From NBC:
Despite all the sanctions the NCAA levied on Penn State yesterday, it’s tough to argue it didn’t do just about everything it could to give PSU’s players a clearly marked escape route in the event they want to transfer. Because the Nittany Lions will not be eligible for a Big Ten title or bowl game any time soon, not to mention the steep scholarship reductions, it’s not too hard to believe there will be more than a few players who take advantage of the chance to move on.
The NCAA took the liberty of clarifying the transfer policies regarding the situation. You can read the whole release HERE, but below are some of the highlights:
Current PSU football players can transfer to any NCAA school (all divisions) during the 2012-13 academic year and be immediately eligible, including those who transfer mid-season. Those players just have to be academically eligible. The deadline for this exemption is preseason camp in 2013. NCAA transfer rules normally mandate that an athlete sit out a year if they transfer between Division 1-A programs.
Any incoming player can be released from his National Letter of Intent and will be allowed to compete immediately without being considered a transfer.
Permission-to-contact rules are suspended. Penn State cannot prevent players from being re-recruited so long as the athlete and interested schools inform Penn State first.
Off-campus and telephone recruiting rules have been suspended until the first day of classes for Penn State on Aug. 27. Additionally, official visit rules have been loosened.
If a player transfers to another school this fall after it has already reached its scholarship limit for the 2012-13 academic year, the new school may exceed that limit provided it proportionally reduces scholarship numbers for the 2013-14 academic year. In other words, if the new school signed 25 players in 2012 and a PSU transfer gives it 26, that school can still take in the transfer so long as it only signs 24 players next signing class.
However, if a school is facing scholarship reductions because of NCAA sanctions — USC, for example — it can still add the transfer as long as it doesn’t exceed the limits specified in its infractions ruling.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 25, 2012 7:12:43 GMT -6
Nice to see an amateur organization has just allowed free agency in the college ranks.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 25, 2012 10:36:08 GMT -6
From NBC: Despite all the sanctions the NCAA levied on Penn State yesterday, it’s tough to argue it didn’t do just about everything it could to give PSU’s players a clearly marked escape route in the event they want to transfer. Because the Nittany Lions will not be eligible for a Big Ten title or bowl game any time soon, not to mention the steep scholarship reductions, it’s not too hard to believe there will be more than a few players who take advantage of the chance to move on. The NCAA took the liberty of clarifying the transfer policies regarding the situation. You can read the whole release HERE, but below are some of the highlights: Current PSU football players can transfer to any NCAA school (all divisions) during the 2012-13 academic year and be immediately eligible, including those who transfer mid-season. Those players just have to be academically eligible. The deadline for this exemption is preseason camp in 2013. NCAA transfer rules normally mandate that an athlete sit out a year if they transfer between Division 1-A programs. Any incoming player can be released from his National Letter of Intent and will be allowed to compete immediately without being considered a transfer. Permission-to-contact rules are suspended. Penn State cannot prevent players from being re-recruited so long as the athlete and interested schools inform Penn State first. Off-campus and telephone recruiting rules have been suspended until the first day of classes for Penn State on Aug. 27. Additionally, official visit rules have been loosened. If a player transfers to another school this fall after it has already reached its scholarship limit for the 2012-13 academic year, the new school may exceed that limit provided it proportionally reduces scholarship numbers for the 2013-14 academic year. In other words, if the new school signed 25 players in 2012 and a PSU transfer gives it 26, that school can still take in the transfer so long as it only signs 24 players next signing class. However, if a school is facing scholarship reductions because of NCAA sanctions — USC, for example — it can still add the transfer as long as it doesn’t exceed the limits specified in its infractions ruling. Good find, Coach. That definitely clears it up. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 25, 2012 11:18:52 GMT -6
If they don't get enough transfers, their next recruiting class could be single-digit just to stay under 65.
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2012 14:11:28 GMT -6
If they don't get enough transfers, their next recruiting class could be single-digit just to stay under 65. I don't think that the 65 player limit is part of the official sanctions. The only restrictions I've seen are on new scholarships. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 25, 2012 17:03:21 GMT -6
Granted these are a bit thick to read, but from the NCAA via NBC:
For a period of four years commencing with the 2013-2014 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2016-2017 academic year, the NCAA imposes a limit of 15 initial grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 25 allowed) and for a period of four years commencing with the 2014-2015 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2017-2018 academic year a limit of 65 total grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 85 allowed) for football during each of those specified years. In the event the total number of grants-in-aid drops below 65, the University may award grants-in-aid to non-scholarship student-athletes who have been members of the football program as allowed under Bylaw 15.5.6.3.6.
With senior classes almost invariably being the smallest because attrition is usually one-way, they may not even get 20 out the door, in which case they'd have to awkwardly turn kids away. This could get weird.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2012 10:40:49 GMT -6
Yeah, thanks. I think that it's fair to let the players transfer. I do find the media's assertion that transferring would be beneficial for players who have NFL aspirations to be kind of silly. NFL scouts don't care if you play in a bowl game or how good your team is.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jul 26, 2012 14:43:33 GMT -6
the feeling I'm getting that if you are a senior it's and us against them situation..we'll show'em...PA tough and all that...IMO if you are a Frosh or redshirt, you gotta be at least thinking about it..Just read an article from WI saying we are too proud to recruit those guys,,ya right...It will be interesting to see how many transfer, i bet not as many as you think
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Post by John Knight on Jul 27, 2012 7:49:16 GMT -6
Look for more than one to show up at Akron. I know Terry Bowden pretty well.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2012 8:23:47 GMT -6
Look for more than one to show up at Akron. I know Terry Bowden pretty well. Why? 30,000 vs 108,000 at home games? |
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Post by John Knight on Jul 27, 2012 9:23:17 GMT -6
We shall see. I would say many of those kids are looking for a way out.
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2012 9:29:26 GMT -6
We shall see. I would say many of those kids are looking for a way out. Maybe but to Akron? |
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Post by 4verts on Jul 27, 2012 10:32:56 GMT -6
He got them to North Alabama, so I would say he has a chance.
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Post by John Knight on Jul 27, 2012 10:33:46 GMT -6
I have seen coach Bowden sell smaller places than that to kids looking for a second chance. I could be totally wrong but we shall see.
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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2012 10:40:32 GMT -6
They could probably start right away for the Fighting Roos, which may not be the case at BCS schools.
Akron has great facilities for a mid-major school.
The head coach and DC (Chuck Amato) were both head coaches of BCS programs.
Geographically it should work for Pennsylvania kids.
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2012 10:56:17 GMT -6
They could probably start right away for the Fighting Roos, which may not be the case at BCS schools. Akron has great facilities for a mid-major school. The head coach and DC (Chuck Amato) were both head coaches of BCS programs. Geographically it should work for Pennsylvania kids. Why Akron? From a player's point of view the biggest problems with staying at Penn State are that they can't play in a bowl game and will not be a very good team as scholarship restrictions kick in. In the history of the program Akron has played in one bowl game (The Motor City Bowl) and has had seven winning seasons. I can understand if the TB transfers to USC. Akron, with all due respect, I don't get at all. |
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 27, 2012 14:32:10 GMT -6
They could probably start right away for the Fighting Roos, which may not be the case at BCS schools. Akron has great facilities for a mid-major school. The head coach and DC (Chuck Amato) were both head coaches of BCS programs. Geographically it should work for Pennsylvania kids. Why Akron? From a player's point of view the biggest problems with staying at Penn State are that they can't play in a bowl game and will not be a very good team as scholarship restrictions kick in. In the history of the program Akron has played in one bowl game (The Motor City Bowl) and has had seven winning seasons. I can understand if the TB transfers to USC. Akron, with all due respect, I don't get at all. Well, keep in mind too that in addition to the sanctions you also have a more typical coaching change situation. Most of those kids went there to play for Joe Paterno, and for a variety of reasons, he's not there anymore and there's a completely new staff. Add to that the very difficult situation at Penn State, and the evolved meaning of "Penn State football" to the public at large, and I can see some kids wanting a fresh start. I'm not saying I agree with those decisions, or that Akron is the right spot (was talking to a coach whose former player is at Penn St and is visiting Florida State this weekend), but it's certainly understandable given all that has gone on. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2012 14:38:26 GMT -6
Why Akron? From a player's point of view the biggest problems with staying at Penn State are that they can't play in a bowl game and will not be a very good team as scholarship restrictions kick in. In the history of the program Akron has played in one bowl game (The Motor City Bowl) and has had seven winning seasons. I can understand if the TB transfers to USC. Akron, with all due respect, I don't get at all. Well, keep in mind too that in addition to the sanctions you also have a more typical coaching change situation. Most of those kids went there to play for Joe Paterno, and for a variety of reasons, he's not there anymore and there's a completely new staff. Add to that the very difficult situation at Penn State, and the evolved meaning of "Penn State football" to the public at large, and I can see some kids wanting a fresh start. I'm not saying I agree with those decisions, or that Akron is the right spot (was talking to a coach whose former player is at Penn St and is visiting Florida State this weekend), but it's certainly understandable given all that has gone on. I have no problem with kids transferring. I think it's one thing that the NCAA did right. The suggestion of Akron threw me off. Every scholarship kid there would have had a number of offers. I doubt that Akron was anybody's second choice. |
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Post by airman on Jul 27, 2012 15:29:28 GMT -6
well it did not take long to find out who the coaches with class are in the big ten and the ones lacking class.
The head coaches at Michigan, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State and Wisconsin have said they will not actively pursue (aka raid)Penn State players.
The Coaches lacking class are the rest of the big ten school. Most notably Illinois who's assistant coaches set up shot across from the penn state campus.
As Bill Obrien has said " it is NFL free agency without any rules. Lane Kiffin was meeting with players in connecticut.
As for Akron, Terry Bowden is slick like his father. he will have Akron up and going.
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