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Post by husky44 on Jul 7, 2012 20:28:06 GMT -6
How long do you keep your kids during 2-a-days? I am planning on bringing them in at 7:30 and gone by 1:30. Two practices that are 2:15 minutes long. Is that too long? Do others practice longer?
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Post by davishfc on Jul 7, 2012 20:45:47 GMT -6
We will go from 3-8 each day for two-a-days. 2:15 for each practice with a 30 minute break in between. Although with the heat we've had in Michigan lately, we may have to start an hour later if it keeps up. We're not proving anything to anybody keeping our kids out in over 100 degree heat especially when our games kickoff at 7:00 during the season.
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 7, 2012 21:36:43 GMT -6
We will go 7:30am-12:30pm. We will build in time for lifting/transition to field house M-W-F from 7:30am-9:00am. On days we don't lift, we will spend more time on Special Teams. During our "2-a-days", our players will practice both sides of the ball and our schedule will include Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. We practice each Special Team everyday. Kids can get water whenever they want. As long as we keep it structured and at a decent tempo, things go well. Grades 10-12 Practices together so our "JV team" will also get team offense, defense, and ST reps so that gives our older kids some built in time to rest. We don't take a break for lunch we just get out work done and get out of there.
That 12:30 time means they are off the field by that time. We are a D1 school with around 70 kids 10-12 and it works for us. This past season was my first year with this school and after seeing the "less is more" philosophy , I would never do it any other way
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 7, 2012 21:42:47 GMT -6
I don't see the point of separating your practices by 30 minutes. At that point you might as well go continuously and leave a half hour earlier. Any two a days I've ever had there was a couple hours between.
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 7, 2012 21:48:33 GMT -6
That is what we are going to try this year 3-3 1/2 hours with a small break. Our idea is to work some conditioning / special teams in at the start with just hats and shorts then into a full practice.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Jul 8, 2012 5:19:57 GMT -6
We have the worst system on Suffolk County of Long Island. We have a 10 - 5 rule. No practice after 10am and no practice before 5 pm. Makes thing tough to say the least.
I know some teams would start at 6am or 6;30am and go straight to 10am.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 8, 2012 6:01:42 GMT -6
1st week we are at camp so they are there all week with us. We go 8-10:30ish 20 min. break then specials in helmets. Then we go 5:30-7:30 in the evening. Second we we try and do the same but the last few years that week has also been the week teachers go back to school so M-T we do the same schedule as camp. W-TH we just do a long 5-8 type practice.
We like to keep them out of the heat and give them a long break in between.
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Post by husky44 on Jul 8, 2012 6:37:50 GMT -6
I scheduled in a short install period at 7:30-7:45 and on the field at 7:50 - 10:05 practice. We will have a 35 minute break in between and then on the field at 10:45 - 1:00. We will break half the team up to lift during the first break and half the team after the second practice twice a week. We can't fit all the kids in the weightroom at the same time. I will also use the half hour after practice to walk through things on the board with the QB's.
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 8, 2012 6:41:02 GMT -6
We go from 8:30 -10:30 then an hour break and then 11:30-130
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Post by blb on Jul 8, 2012 6:47:29 GMT -6
I have read two different studies couple decades apart in professional journals that said the longest one session should be is 2:30.
And you should have minimum three hours' rest-recovery time in between if you practice that long.
We practice from 9-11 am and 1-3 pm. From experience, any less than two hours in between would not be enough.
We don't start until 9 am because I can't stand getting Swamp Foot and having footballs wet rest of day from dew on grass.
Getting done by 3 pm allows players and coaches to still have big part of the day to themselves and more recovery time, unlike when we did traditional Two-a-days. Has done a lot for morale of both groups.
Some kids are even able to keep Summer Jobs for the month until school starts.
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Post by fantom on Jul 8, 2012 7:07:31 GMT -6
Our 2-a-days go from 8-10:30 AM then from 5-7:30 PM. We're not a rural school where kids have to travel a long distance for practice. I can understand why coaches in those situations would want to get it all done at once.
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Post by blb on Jul 8, 2012 7:45:07 GMT -6
Our 2-a-days go from 8-10:30 AM then from 5-7:30 PM. We're not a rural school where kids have to travel a long distance for practice. I can understand why coaches in those situations would want to get it all done at once. A highly-successful coach in our state who was in "Corn Country" (kids worked on farms and in detasseling) would practice from 8 am-Noon, 50 minutes on the field, ten minutes off at a time. Worked very well for them, but it would seem too much like a four-hour practice to me.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 8, 2012 11:46:41 GMT -6
Wow I thought we where tuff feeling kind of soft seeing what you guys do.
We go 8am to 1030am then 2pm to 430. Let the kids have breakfast break for lunch and be home at a decent hour for dinner.
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Post by ndcoach on Jul 8, 2012 12:28:42 GMT -6
We go 5pm-9pm. We run an hour and a half session then go inside for a 30 min break and come out for another 2 hour session. We are out in the desert and temps are up around 115 everyday so we have to go real early or later in the day when it's nice (nice = 95 to 100). Everyone like 5pm a lot more than 5 am so that's what we went with.
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Post by holmesbend on Jul 10, 2012 23:22:11 GMT -6
Much like you here, ndcoach.
We go from 4:00-9:30. We typically go just under 2 hours each practice, and they'll get an hour and a half break in between. If it's to hot early on, we'll just go one long practice and/or have position meetings. It's worked well.
The last hour of practice at night is the fun part...we have lights on our practice field, so we flip them on and have a little fun. Something about those lights isnt there?!
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 11, 2012 7:09:09 GMT -6
6:30-11 am.
6:30-8:30- this is our toughest of the two practices. Bulk of conditioning, agility stations, hitting, etc goes on in this practice. This is the tough one for the day.
8:30-9- Break- kids go across the street to get a Gatorade, talk, get off their feet.
9-9:30- Chalk talk/watch film, etc.
9:30-11- This is more team time stuff, special teams install. Slower paced. More mental/learning time.
Kids LOVE this schedule. Had one of my captains tell me that if we changed back he would punch me in the face. They love the fact that they're out before lunchtime. I always found that in a traditional 8-10am- 5-7pm schedule we didn't get crap out of the kids because they were sore, tired and didn't want to be there in the evening. With this schedule we get a TON more out of them in the second practice. Why? I don't really know but I'm not going to mess with it if it works.
Also, with our new coop we're going to be pulling kids from three different communities. For a traditional two a days set up transportation would be a nightmare.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 11, 2012 8:08:54 GMT -6
6:30-11 am. 6:30-8:30- this is our toughest of the two practices. Bulk of conditioning, agility stations, hitting, etc goes on in this practice. This is the tough one for the day. 8:30-9- Break- kids go across the street to get a Gatorade, talk, get off their feet. 9-9:30- Chalk talk/watch film, etc. 9:30-11- This is more team time stuff, special teams install. Slower paced. More mental/learning time. Kids LOVE this schedule. Had one of my captains tell me that if we changed back he would punch me in the face. They love the fact that they're out before lunchtime. I always found that in a traditional 8-10am- 5-7pm schedule we didn't get crap out of the kids because they were sore, tired and didn't want to be there in the evening. With this schedule we get a TON more out of them in the second practice. Why? I don't really know but I'm not going to mess with it if it works. Also, with our new coop we're going to be pulling kids from three different communities. For a traditional two a days set up transportation would be a nightmare. This is what most of the programs around have gone to over the past 10 years or so. In fact, I can't think of any area schools that have traditional "two-a-days". I coached in a co-op program about 7 years ago and it would have been a logistical nightmare to get kids from about 5 different communities back and forth to school twice a day for two weeks. So, we just ran 1 long session from 7AM-1PM. We had a full offensive practice from 7-9:30. Kids got an hour break from 9:30-10:30 and then we had a full defensive practice from 10:30-1:00. That's the only way I would ever run pre-season practices.
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Post by ndcoach on Jul 11, 2012 16:18:21 GMT -6
The last hour of practice at night is the fun part...we have lights on our practice field, so we flip them on and have a little fun. Something about those lights isnt there?! Yes there is. The last part of practice when the sun goes down is always nice. Even during the season we practice from 5-7. Partly because it stays hot till October and primarily because many players have tutoring when school starts that does not end till 4:15. To add on to what larrymoe said: Our kids love the one long practice with a break format too. One of the main things I hated as a player was finishing an evening practice then going right to bed and having to wake up early for another practice, it was like you had no time off. Then having to come back again the next evening you were shot. Doing one long practice gives the kids a little more time to recover in between sessions without sacrificing the amount of practice time
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Post by airman on Jul 11, 2012 16:46:21 GMT -6
6:30 Am to 8:30
8:30 to 9 am morning meal
9-10 rest, hydrate and meetings.
10-11:30 special teams practice for everyone excepts qb, OL and DL. Qb are in meetings and then individual practice with qb coach. OL and DL are working individual drills and then 30 minutes 1 on 1 pass pro drills. Winner for the day gets to eat before the losers. Rest of team is doing special teams drills and practice. top 4 receivers catch 50 passes from jugs machine during this practice time
11:30 to 12 clean up
12-12:30 lunch
12:30 to 1:30 rest and meetings
1:30 to 3:30 practice.
3:30 to 4 cleanup
4-5 meetings
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 11, 2012 17:51:54 GMT -6
wow!
from NATA ---
1.During the first five days of the heat-acclimatization process, no more than one practice per day. 2.If a practice is interrupted by inclement weather or heat restrictions, the practice should recommence once conditions are deemed safe, but total practice time should not exceed three hours per day. 3.A one-hour maximum walk-through is permitted during the first five days of the heat-acclimatization period, with a three-hour recovery period between the practice and walk-through (or vice versa). 4.Helmets only during the first two days (no shoulder pads). Goalies, as in the case of field hockey and related sports, should not wear full protective gear or perform activities that would require protective equipment. During days three through five, only helmets and shoulder pads should be worn. Beginning on day six, all protective equipment may be worn and full contact drills may begin. 5.Beginning no earlier than the sixth day and continuing through the 14th day, double-practice days must be followed by a single-practice day. On single-practice days, one walk-through is permitted, but it must be separated from the practice by at least three hours of continuous rest. When a double-practice day is followed by a rest day, another double-practice day is permitted after the rest day. 6.On a double-practice day, neither practice's duration should exceed three hours total, and total practice time should be limited to a maximum of five total hours. Warm-up, stretching, cool-down, walkthrough, conditioning and weight-room activities are included as part of the practice time. The two practices should be separated by a break of at least three continuous hours in a cool environment. 7.Because the risk of exertional heat illnesses during the pre-season heat-acclimatization period is high, the consensus statement strongly recommends that an athletic trainer be on site before, during, and after all practices. Heat stroke deaths on rise
Deaths of high school athletes from exertional heat stroke have been on the rise in recent years (at least five during the summer of 2011). The NATA's guidelines provide critical education for student athletes, parents, coaches, athletic trainers, medical professionals and school staff on ways to reduce the risk of heat illness.
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Post by irishdog on Jul 11, 2012 19:21:08 GMT -6
First three days (helmets only) 7:30-8:15 Circuit training (conditioning/agilities M-W-F; weights T-Th-Sa). 9-10:30 (Defense) installation, teaching, pursuit drill. 11:30 to 1 (Offense) installation, teaching, teaching, and more teaching. During the break eat, rest, film/chalk. Next three days (uppers) 7:30-9 (Defense) special teams and fundamentals. 10-11:30 (Offense) special teams and fundamentals. Noon-1 film/chalk. During the break eat, rest. Remainder of 2-a-days (full-gear) 7:30-9:30 (Defense); 11-1 (Offense). During the break eat, rest, film/chalk. During the breaks my assistants ran the show. Off-campus coaches always made arrangements with their work schedules to accommodate practices in the mornings, while I would make my obligatory appearances at the teacher in-services, OR, attend to my AD duties. No matter where I have been I have used this schedule and it has always been a hit with the players AND the parents! IF my assistants were unable to arrange their work schedules in the mornings I would bump the format to start at 5 pm and end at 8:30.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 11:38:12 GMT -6
We are almost exactly like the format that larrymoe described. We start a little later but we go the first two hours hard. get off the feet for an hour, and go for 75-90 minutes to finish.
We make the first session just like our hard in-season practices so that makes an easy transition to single practices.
We have done this for about seven years. Lot less toll on the body than the old double days.
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Post by fantom on Jul 12, 2012 11:53:36 GMT -6
6:30-11 am. 6:30-8:30- this is our toughest of the two practices. Bulk of conditioning, agility stations, hitting, etc goes on in this practice. This is the tough one for the day. 8:30-9- Break- kids go across the street to get a Gatorade, talk, get off their feet. 9-9:30- Chalk talk/watch film, etc. 9:30-11- This is more team time stuff, special teams install. Slower paced. More mental/learning time. Kids LOVE this schedule. Had one of my captains tell me that if we changed back he would punch me in the face. They love the fact that they're out before lunchtime. I always found that in a traditional 8-10am- 5-7pm schedule we didn't get crap out of the kids because they were sore, tired and didn't want to be there in the evening. With this schedule we get a TON more out of them in the second practice. Why? I don't really know but I'm not going to mess with it if it works. . Is it because you finish early or because your second practice is at a lighter pace? If you compare this schedule to old two-a-days where both practices are a grind certainly there's a big difference. If you ran your second practice at 5:00 PM would there really be that big of a difference?
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Post by airman on Jul 12, 2012 16:54:41 GMT -6
wow! from NATA --- 1.During the first five days of the heat-acclimatization process, no more than one practice per day. 2.If a practice is interrupted by inclement weather or heat restrictions, the practice should recommence once conditions are deemed safe, but total practice time should not exceed three hours per day. 3.A one-hour maximum walk-through is permitted during the first five days of the heat-acclimatization period, with a three-hour recovery period between the practice and walk-through (or vice versa). 4.Helmets only during the first two days (no shoulder pads). Goalies, as in the case of field hockey and related sports, should not wear full protective gear or perform activities that would require protective equipment. During days three through five, only helmets and shoulder pads should be worn. Beginning on day six, all protective equipment may be worn and full contact drills may begin. 5.Beginning no earlier than the sixth day and continuing through the 14th day, double-practice days must be followed by a single-practice day. On single-practice days, one walk-through is permitted, but it must be separated from the practice by at least three hours of continuous rest. When a double-practice day is followed by a rest day, another double-practice day is permitted after the rest day. 6.On a double-practice day, neither practice's duration should exceed three hours total, and total practice time should be limited to a maximum of five total hours. Warm-up, stretching, cool-down, walkthrough, conditioning and weight-room activities are included as part of the practice time. The two practices should be separated by a break of at least three continuous hours in a cool environment. 7.Because the risk of exertional heat illnesses during the pre-season heat-acclimatization period is high, the consensus statement strongly recommends that an athletic trainer be on site before, during, and after all practices. Heat stroke deaths on rise Deaths of high school athletes from exertional heat stroke have been on the rise in recent years (at least five during the summer of 2011). The NATA's guidelines provide critical education for student athletes, parents, coaches, athletic trainers, medical professionals and school staff on ways to reduce the risk of heat illness. I blame it on Air Conditioning and Video Games. Kids sit inside the house which is Air Conditioned and Play video games. Then they try to go outside and compete in the heat. I worked on farms during the summer. We baled hay in 90+ heat with 60 degree dew points. we drank plenty of water (and some beer on days end) and did not have problems.
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Post by indian1 on Jul 12, 2012 19:03:06 GMT -6
Meetings 7:30
On the field 8 (Offense practice and special teams)
Break at 10
10:30 Defensive practice (no special teams)
12 Done
We don't lift during 2 a days.
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 12, 2012 19:22:25 GMT -6
With all the new rules on "heat acclimation" we cannot have 2 practices without having a 4 hour break inbetween. We are also not allowed to have 2 practices on consecutive days.
Makes things very difficult... We go 6-7 AM weights, 7-8 AM conditioning, meetings all day with 2 hour break, then practice at the normal afternoon time (4:00-6:30 PM). Playing 2 games before school starts always is tough for the 3rd game unless you get them in the habit of that all-day schedule.
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Post by sdfbcoach on Jul 12, 2012 19:50:56 GMT -6
We go 8-10am then take a 1 hr break and go 11 to somewhere between 1230 and 1. It's gets closer to 1230 the more the week goes on and we often go without the last practice the day before our team scrimmage.
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