tobbe
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Post by tobbe on Jul 4, 2012 19:55:36 GMT -6
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Post by baraboo99 on Jul 5, 2012 5:42:28 GMT -6
Tough going for the Austrians despite being one of the most talented European team I have seen in my 10 years here. But this tourney is showing how much football is developing overseas. The North American players seem to focus more on glamour and celebrating while the Japanese and Samoans (for example) focus on fundamentals.
Speaking of the Samoans it is great to see them compete on the international level. An island with 55,000 people and 7 high schools gave the Americans a hell of a game and are probably the hardest hitting team in the tournament.
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Post by julien on Jul 5, 2012 5:50:42 GMT -6
At the end it will be USA, CAN, JAP, Austria...
It can't be different right now.
But it's true that the level of play increase a lot these last years in Europe.
France rolled over Sweeden with their Triple Option (despite being highly critized in France) Sweeden's QB was a starting QB in a Californian HS this past season... Germany's got skills...
Japan's National Team will be a serious contender in the years to come and Samoan are VERY impressive.
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Post by coachdennis on Jul 5, 2012 8:13:07 GMT -6
As a Canadian, I see the growth in football internationally to be roughly equivalent to where hockey was maybe 30-40 years ago. (Shockingly, we use a lot of hockey stories in Canada - who would have guessed?) Football is clearly in its infancy in many of these countries, but as it was in hockey years ago, you can tell that these nations have some excellent athletes who ooze potential. What they don't get, of course, is the competition and the coaching. Once they start getting more of that, look out...
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Post by tobbe on Jul 6, 2012 20:11:11 GMT -6
Swedens QB´s is 16 and 15... We will be better next time
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Post by julien on Jul 7, 2012 2:21:58 GMT -6
Swedens QB´s is 16 and 15... We will be better next time No doubt about that French QB should be better too. The one that play this year was a true triple option QB and don't throw more than 7 times a game!
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Post by Coach.A on Jul 7, 2012 21:52:13 GMT -6
Wow! Team Canada defeats team USA in the U19 world championship game. Huge milestone for football development in Canada!
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Post by westtxflatlander on Jul 7, 2012 22:26:57 GMT -6
When and where are tryouts for next years world championship American team?
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 7, 2012 23:10:57 GMT -6
Not to rain our parade but I wonder how many of the players part of the American U19 team are the best U19 kids? For example would RG3 have played in something like this at his age?
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Post by ozcoach on Jul 8, 2012 2:28:59 GMT -6
David Wilson, the first round Rb of the Bucs and Lsu Honey Badger played in this program.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jul 8, 2012 6:55:44 GMT -6
I think this is a bigger deal for the "world" than it is for the united states. The best of the best are not playing for the US.
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Post by julien on Jul 8, 2012 12:21:11 GMT -6
I think this is a bigger deal for the "world" than it is for the united states. The best of the best are not playing for the US. That's true but that's US problem now. Team USA lost against Team World last year for the first time. Now Team Canada beats Team USA in a World Championship... Football is growing fast everywhere... Kids from Europe and Australia start to earn scholarshop in D1 program. Heck there's a bunch of German OL in the NFL.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 8, 2012 12:37:15 GMT -6
I think it a good the thing for the usa they lost. Think there is giant untapped market for players ( really thinking linemen over seas look how American Samoa has done in the US. Myself I recruited the heck out of the the kids when I coached in a school with a large eastern European community.
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Post by Coach.A on Jul 8, 2012 13:28:04 GMT -6
I think this is a bigger deal for the "world" than it is for the united states. The best of the best are not playing for the US. True the USA may not have their best players playing, but there are far more kids playing football in the USA to chose from compared to Canada. United States population = 315 million Canada population = 35 million There are more kids playing football in the state of Florida than all of Canada. I'm not trying to imply that Canada is better at football. I'm pretty sure that a true Florida all-star team could probably beat team Canada. BUT I still think this is an incredible accomplishment for Canada and it will only help promote the sport north of the border.
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Post by coachhusrey on Jul 8, 2012 13:31:17 GMT -6
I agree. I have been coaching in Europe the last 6 years and every team I have coached or coached against has a few players that could play div2 easy. There is so much talent here in Europe.
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Post by baraboo99 on Jul 8, 2012 14:24:46 GMT -6
Talent is talent no matter where it is coming from. I think the difference now is the coaching and organization has caught up around the world. International players are training year round with the goal of playing in the States. Coaches are putting in 18 hour days to prepare themselves. And we do this all without any boosters or top notch equipment. At the end of the day hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I'm not saying the American kids didn't work hard but I they seemed to care more about their celebration routines.
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Post by fantom on Jul 8, 2012 15:54:49 GMT -6
Talent is talent no matter where it is coming from. I think the difference now is the coaching and organization has caught up around the world. International players are training year round with the goal of playing in the States. Coaches are putting in 18 hour days to prepare themselves. And we do this all without any boosters or top notch equipment. At the end of the day hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I'm not saying the American kids didn't work hard but I they seemed to care more about their celebration routines. Coach, if I didn't know better I'd think you were calling American coaches and American kids out.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jul 8, 2012 17:27:19 GMT -6
I didn't watch the game, so I'm not going to pretend I know what happened but I'd like to see the tape of last night's game.
For any that watched, maybe you can weigh in? Turnovers? Bad execution? Disinterest?
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Post by Coach.A on Jul 8, 2012 17:30:53 GMT -6
Here's the game if you're interested in watching:
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Post by ozcoach on Jul 9, 2012 3:55:38 GMT -6
I think this is a bigger deal for the "world" than it is for the united states. The best of the best are not playing for the US. You are certainly correct that this is a big aiming point for international programs. This result will serve to motivate all international programs to continue to get better which is great for the game. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that Canada or anyone else is best in the world, but it is a positive sign for global development.
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Post by coachrobpsl on Jul 9, 2012 6:16:04 GMT -6
Does anybody think that a top notch program like St Thomas Aquinas(Fl)or De Lasalle could line up and beat these international teams. I would take the consistency of a team over all stars any day.
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Post by Coach.A on Jul 9, 2012 11:30:40 GMT -6
Does anybody think that a top notch program like St Thomas Aquinas(Fl)or De Lasalle could line up and beat these international teams. I would take the consistency of a team over all stars any day. You might be right, but team Canada was put together relatively late as well and they only had a few practices together to prepare...so they were in the same boat as Team USA. I'm not sure what the prep time was for the other international teams though.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 9, 2012 11:48:04 GMT -6
Does anybody think that a top notch program like St Thomas Aquinas(Fl)or De Lasalle could line up and beat these international teams. I would take the consistency of a team over all stars any day. Not taking away from team Canada at all. As a blood and guts oline and defensive guy I've been around a few all state and all star games and in my experience the mood is pretty light ( no cut blocks gang tackeling or players in general trying to take eachotherd heads off) and scheme wise ( you are not going to see smash mouth football or guys trying to get after the qb) I can't speak for all coaches but to a American guy its a exhibition kids have all ready won there state championship signed there scholarship there not going to play balls out to much to risk and nothing to gain ( try watching the pro bowl) Now if a international team comes in and takes it serious they got a good chance to beat a American team but reminds me what happened in Olympic basketball when the US said enuff is enuff well untell they realised it wasent that big of a deal.
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Post by coachhusrey on Jul 9, 2012 13:25:31 GMT -6
It wasn't that they did not think it was not a big deal. The rest of the world caught up. Now the team USA basketball has to work hard and teams compete well vs them. That's what will happen with football in the next 10 years.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 9, 2012 14:43:22 GMT -6
Team Canada also seems to be missing a lot of its older kids who are headed off to university or have better things going on, which would explain why Quebec is so over-represented.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 18:08:44 GMT -6
"Coaches are putting in 18 hour days to prepare themselves."
They probably should read up on time management at this point then.
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 9, 2012 20:52:22 GMT -6
Team Canada also seems to be missing a lot of its older kids who are headed off to university or have better things going on, which would explain why Quebec is so over-represented. CC I would sell QUE so short. I was lucky enough to be part of the team AB coaching staff one year in the Canada Cup and you guys had hands down some of the best athletes in the tourny. Obviously there are going to be kids missing here and there, but athlete to athlete we would kill for a talent pool like you guys have in the metro areas, same can be said for Steelhawk in ONT. Not sure what the breakdown is accross all Provinces but... I would guess QUE & ONT had the biggest representation which would make sense population wise / athlete wise. Seriously we have some good ball players but how on earth is my circus midget corner going to cover your 6 foot + giant, let alone some 6 foot + giant from USA who has been playing since he was a glimer in his Daddy's eye one prom night. As for folks not taking these things seriously as one of the other posters mentioned......... I can gaurantee you the Canucks took this thing to heart. Even when we play in the Canada Cup it gets nasty. We had a beauty of a game vs QUE. I am sure one of the other guys on here (Warrior) can attest to that as he was there to. So the USA may not take it seriously but like we are seeing the other Nations are.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 9, 2012 21:38:59 GMT -6
Quebec definitely has the population to have a big percentage of the athletes, but they totally outnumbered every other province, and I think a lot of that is that with our (totally screwed up) system here, the kids at that age aren't going to university the following year, they're not in the middle of flipping their lives upside down, so it's a lot easier for them to take a regular summer and spend a couple weeks playing ball for a select team.
Still, glad we won.
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 9, 2012 21:53:17 GMT -6
I think from what I saw which was limited but you guys do a better job self scouting so to speak. We saw your QUE team with jersey numbers in practice like 452. When we asked we got info that each kid in the Province playing is "known". See we don't have anything like that there might be a stud in the middle of no where AB and no one knows who they are. One thing that hurts us out here are the rules for CJFL / CIS. In the past we had guys play 3-5 years of CJFL then move onto CIS and play for a few more (still keeping 5 years of eligibility). I was one of those type of guys. Now all of our kids out where are in such a hurry to get to CIS that they get there not quite ready. It has made our quality of HS ball better overall because more kids take it seriously early on. Now some of the top end players play a few years of JR so they can get better / older / physically mature for NCAA. When I played we had a guys Josh Bean who did that and went to Boise (part of the Fiesta Bowl team). Our local team Colts have a kid playing for them is trying to do the same thing. It was cool to see the roster from the game I just checked it out nice to see a couple of Calgary kids there. One played for us in the Canada Cup a few years ago (Schmidt) nice to see that continuity and not a whole stack of new kids. Kind of makes our decisions feel even more validated as another group of coaches saw the same ability. Again I am with you happy we won. We could all hammer this thing to death, process, rationale and all that stuff, but we need a few pops for that one
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 10, 2012 6:36:13 GMT -6
We have the opposite. With Sports-Etudes (the worst idea the province has ever had) they are stretching their CEGEP careers to 3 or even 4 years in the dream of getting to Laval. We have a much more comprehensive organisation than existed when I was in Ontario, so on that level it's a great way to find your best players and put them on Team Canada. If Ontario had tried to put together it's all-star team when I was in school, I don't thinbk they'd have had a chance. Nobody was communicating, nobody knew who had good players or a good team, we just lived off of misconception and stereotype about certain regions.
Unfortunately, the quality of coaching in Quebec is pretty awful. The big-time schools in the two cities do alright, some are really good, but away from there it's usually a couple hometown heroes hired because of their glory days and they flesh out the staff with kids who just graduated. If your school doesn't have Sports-Etudes you probably have a couple of senior students coaching the JV
The popularity exists, but it's a new thing and the language barrier and the provincial politics really hold them back right now.
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