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Post by jturner on Jul 4, 2012 0:07:42 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Jul 4, 2012 7:21:24 GMT -6
Anyone know how to get a hold of him because we sure wouldn't have a problem with him coaching for us!
What a joke. Schools everywhere are struggling to stay out of debt and this guy is saving them millions of dollars and gets sent packing because of it. Makes sense.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 4, 2012 7:49:11 GMT -6
My school doesn't have this rule. Have him contact me ASAP. LOL
Seriously though did they make this rule just to screw him over? Why have this kind of rule?
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 4, 2012 9:24:21 GMT -6
That rule has been a long time coming... There has been some shady stuff going on around here lately with boosters, coaches, etc... Every district is reacting to what has now happened at Timpview high school in the Provo area: www.deseretnews.com/article/865557838/Audit-Thousands-of-dollars-for-Timpview-football-never-deposited-laws-and-policies-not-followed.html?pg=allwww.sltrib.com/sltrib/tribpreps/53718764-190/wong-football-timpview-district.html.cspwww.ksl.com/?nid=504&sid=20922818Districts all over are playing the CYOA game at the moment and making it difficult for us to do anything. No outside booster-clubs, every penny runs through the school account and must have 100% administrative approval, anything over $2000 goes out to bid, anything over $10,000 and it is out of my hands. The district goes out and tries to find the lowest bid possible for "what I want". I lose all control of it. On a side note, the school he was at was a .250 school for decades before he got there, magically they are influxed with talent and players when he gets there. They have 3 of the ESPN top 150 players on their team this coming year and none of them live in the school's boundaries. All of their stuff is almost as good as Utah/BYU's though. They have a huge "football complex" where they have stuff that I will never be able to get at our school. He went in and purchased 4 complete sets of jerseys and a new set of helmets this spring, which gives them 3 full-sets of helmets for each kid, and now I believe 6 complete sets of jerseys. I have heard that this year he is letting the team use all the stuff as they could not replace it all, but after the season I hear that he is removing almost EVERYTHING he purchased. Don't know how it's gonna work out, but I know that I have spend plenty of hours on the phone with my own kids having to convince them not to transfer schools because of something they "heard" from this guy. Glad that will finally be over. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2012 10:33:59 GMT -6
That rule has been a long time coming... There has been some shady stuff going on around here lately with boosters, coaches, etc... Every district is reacting to what has now happened at Timpview high school in the Provo area: www.deseretnews.com/article/865557838/Audit-Thousands-of-dollars-for-Timpview-football-never-deposited-laws-and-policies-not-followed.html?pg=allwww.sltrib.com/sltrib/tribpreps/53718764-190/wong-football-timpview-district.html.cspwww.ksl.com/?nid=504&sid=20922818Districts all over are playing the CYOA game at the moment and making it difficult for us to do anything. No outside booster-clubs, every penny runs through the school account and must have 100% administrative approval, anything over $2000 goes out to bid, anything over $10,000 and it is out of my hands. The district goes out and tries to find the lowest bid possible for "what I want". I lose all control of it. On a side note, the school he was at was a .250 school for decades before he got there, magically they are influxed with talent and players when he gets there. They have 3 of the ESPN top 150 players on their team this coming year and none of them live in the school's boundaries. All of their stuff is almost as good as Utah/BYU's though. They have a huge "football complex" where they have stuff that I will never be able to get at our school. He went in and purchased 4 complete sets of jerseys and a new set of helmets this spring, which gives them 3 full-sets of helmets for each kid, and now I believe 6 complete sets of jerseys. I have heard that this year he is letting the team use all the stuff as they could not replace it all, but after the season I hear that he is removing almost EVERYTHING he purchased. Don't know how it's gonna work out, but I know that I have spend plenty of hours on the phone with my own kids having to convince them not to transfer schools because of something they "heard" from this guy. Glad that will finally be over. When I saw the yahoo article, I knew there was a Paul Harvey "Rest of the Story" component that wasn't mentioned. These are the type of situations where the slant of the article totally dictates the interpretation of the reader. |
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Post by coach4life on Jul 5, 2012 19:37:21 GMT -6
From reading the article, I see four big problems with the guy:
1. He was apparently competent.
2. He played the game of business well in our capitalist system to obtain his wealth, which means to the leftists he had to screw somebody to get it, unless he himself is a leftist (think John Corzine: "What billion dollars?").
3. He contributed more than his "fair share" as defined by government officials.
4. 3 strikes and you're out - competent, wealthy, and taking initiative without governmental approval? What an awful guy.
Having said that, I'm not in Utah so I don't know the guy or the whole story, so please forgive me cynicism expressed above (the expansion of stupidity that occurs during political season always warps my brain).
If his school was recruiting players, I don't think that's right. To me the essence of coaching is getting the most out of what you have regardless of circumstance. The real champions are those who rise above circumstance to excel.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 5, 2012 20:18:11 GMT -6
I think the weird part is that he's taking back some of his donation. Weird and petty.
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Post by jturner on Jul 5, 2012 22:02:26 GMT -6
$100 says the leading complainers about this guy's donations are the athletics that aren't directly benefiting from it? Any takers? I'm was thinking something similar, but I was thinking a kid's parent who was complaining that their kid(s) weren't playing. Happens a ton around here. Not so much football as in basketball. Basketball is still kind of a big deal here in Indiana for whatever reason. |
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 6, 2012 8:08:45 GMT -6
cq, Are you implying that he was recruiting? Or did they simply have a better football program where kids with talent may want to go. Think about it, your a talented football player and you can go play at a High School that has amenities that rival a college program, hell...that's a no brainer. The program recruits itself with out a coach doing it.
If everything was above board, audited and accounted for, than this is just another of school administrators at the state and local level being idiots. Another example of one solution fits all instead of using some common sense to address an issue.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 6, 2012 9:52:39 GMT -6
cq, Are you implying that he was recruiting? Or did they simply have a better football program where kids with talent may want to go. Think about it, your a talented football player and you can go play at a High School that has amenities that rival a college program, hell...that's a no brainer. The program recruits itself with out a coach doing it. After doing some more reading on the situation I saw that Utah has an open enrollment policy across the state, so as you said there probably were kids leaving to go to that school. Which sounds perfectly ok in Utah. Which I am sure lead to people going apes**t and with some of the other factors lead them to pass the rules they did. As someone posted earlier nice to see good old fashioned capitalism getting punished  On a side note it looks like the former HC at this school was removed for "inappropriate contact with minors" so it sounds like they had a lot going on there this year. Not sure if that plays into this situation as well. |
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Post by CoachCP on Jul 6, 2012 10:14:30 GMT -6
I feel like it's his money, he should be able to donate it wherever he wants and not be ridiculed for it unless it's something illegal. If that brings better athletes to the school without him recruiting, so be it. He's been successful in his role, so that doesn't seem illegitimate (and he's a PAYING volunteer, can't complain much about that).
And based on the school's petty statement about hearing him in the stands, I'd take my donation too if I could. That's what makes me the most angry about this. Don't mock the man essentially (no coach wants to just be a voice in the stands) or don't assume he'll still love you afterwards (I wouldn't no matter what if I got let go) and not expect him to want as much stuff as possible back. I would have let them keep it, but if they did all that, it would be a court battle. That was inexcusable by the school district.
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 7, 2012 14:28:50 GMT -6
Same here. They run the place...band nazis!
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