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Post by fantom on Jul 3, 2012 9:05:43 GMT -6
For guys who have applied for a head coaching job and didn't get it: How do you feel toward the school that passed you over.
Answer with your visceral reaction, not how you think that a civilized person should feel.
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Post by fantom on Jul 3, 2012 9:08:49 GMT -6
BTW, I intentionally left out the reasonable answer-"Depends how much I respect the guy they hired". This has nothing to do with "reasonable". This is about the gut not the brain.
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Post by highball007 on Jul 3, 2012 9:13:52 GMT -6
I have no hard feelings, when I have interviewed and have not got the job, it is probably for the best. Do you really want to be a HC somewhere they don't really want you, or your style? The interview panel is trying to get the best fit for their school and community and if they don't think what I had to say was for them then so be it.
Chalk it up to a learning experience and go kick butt where you are for another year! Make the big time who you are!
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Post by fantom on Jul 3, 2012 9:18:41 GMT -6
There have been times when I've heard who they hired and thought, "Well, I would have hired THAT guy myself." On at least one occasion, I laughed out loud when I read the story in the paper (that guy lasted one disastrous year).
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Post by tango on Jul 3, 2012 10:39:23 GMT -6
I have applied for 7 jobs over the years.
1. Told the guy had more experience. He had 1 more year. Waste
of time. Bull!
2. Got the job! Great job at the time.
3. I was #2 to begin with and if he turned it down it was
mine. The guy transferred from one county school to the other.
Good hire. The principal recommended me for the other job.
4. Good hire by them.
5. Got the job. Learned a lot!
6. Told after the interview that I was #5 and ranked the highest but
they could only hire someone with a state championship. Waste
of time. Bull!
7. Got the job. Been great so far!
#3 and 4 were handled the best and not the best jobs as far as wins and loses.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2012 10:42:08 GMT -6
I'm always initially bitter because much like everything else you want to be wanted by the school and the winner of the competition to get the job. But as some have said when I find out who they hired, sometimes I'm fine with it because they're much better than me and sometimes I'm still a little bitter because I think I could've done a much better job.
However, I have learned that no matter how painful or bitter I am in the beginning, in the end things work out as they should. I've been passed over for a few jobs I really wanted and was really angry about it at the time, but eventually I have ended up in the exact situation I've always wanted to be in. It sucks at the time, but we all end up where we should be I think.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jul 3, 2012 10:53:45 GMT -6
There have been times when I've heard who they hired and thought, "Well, I would have hired THAT guy myself." On at least one occasion, I laughed out loud when I read the story in the paper (that guy lasted one disastrous year). I wonder who that was...LOL |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jul 3, 2012 10:57:57 GMT -6
....the funny thing about these jobs is that have you ever heard a person claim they came in third?? It's always shoot it was between me and another guy but the other guy got it ..I laugh to myself each time.....Well, with the jobs I have applied for most of the time, it just wasn't the right fit for me at the school, which I understood..I am a business teacher and those schools didn't have an opening at the time or someone w/ alot more HC experience than me got the job....gosh, if you take stuff like that personally in this business, you won't be very happy much of the time...even Bill Belechik got fired
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 3, 2012 10:59:51 GMT -6
I really don't see a reason to be bitter, but in the case of both of my HC interviews I was flat out told that they liked me a lot, but the other guy had something they wanted that I did not. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and build my resume.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 3, 2012 22:05:16 GMT -6
I have no hard feelings, when I have interviewed and have not got the job, it is probably for the best. Do you really want to be a HC somewhere they don't really want you, or your style? The interview panel is trying to get the best fit for their school and community and if they don't think what I had to say was for them then so be it. This is sort of misleading though...don't you think? They wouldn't pick you if they didn't want you so why contemplate the situation like they didn't want you but chose you...seems contradictory and, consequently, confusing to me. |
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Post by davishfc on Jul 3, 2012 22:08:40 GMT -6
I have always researched who was selected following the hiring process to see what it was that they had that I did not. I felt like it helped me be more prepared for the next opening that would come about. I would do everything in my power to close any gaps that kept me from earning the previous job.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 3, 2012 22:17:11 GMT -6
However, I have learned that no matter how painful or bitter I am in the beginning, in the end things work out as they should. I've been passed over for a few jobs I really wanted and was really angry about it at the time, but eventually I have ended up in the exact situation I've always wanted to be in. It sucks at the time, but we all end up where we should be I think. I wrote a post in the "career-changing" thread in the General Board section that reflects exactly this thought. My response is more detailed there...check it out. |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 4, 2012 2:04:16 GMT -6
I've only interviewed for one HC job, didn't get it. I had zero HC experience, under 30, and credentialed in the wrong subject area. They liked me, I was complimented on my preparation and personality, but I was eliminated pretty quickly because of all the things I mentioned.
The guy they did hire is a friend of mine, he's really not doing himself any favors so far and I worry for his success. Also, the first thing they did was take away his football class period, so I'm really OK with not getting the job.
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Post by John Knight on Jul 4, 2012 7:03:00 GMT -6
In 1996 I applied for and was offered the job in Savannah IL. Something didn't feel right about the job. I declined.
1994-95 3-6 Coaches name unavailable
1995-96 3-6 Coaches name unavailable
1996-97 0-9 Coach Phil Sexton
1997-98 0-9 Coaches name unavailable
1998-99 0-9 Coach Trent Sellers
1999-00 0-9 Coach Trent Sellers
2000-01 0-9 Coach Dave Baisden
2001-02 0-9 Coach Dave Baisden
2002-03 0-9 Coach Dave Baisden
2003-04 0-9 Coaches name unavailable
2004-05 1-8 Co-op with Mt. Carroll Coach Brandon Farrell
In week four of the 2004-05 season, the newly formed West Carroll co-op with Mount Carroll and Thomson broke a 74-game losing streak with a 41-14 win against Polo. The losing streak is the longest in state history and was even mentioned in a Sports Illustrated article. Nevertheless, the kids played hard game in and game out.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jul 4, 2012 7:26:58 GMT -6
I've interviewed for 6 positions. 3 of them I pretty well knew I wouldn't get, but I did it for the experience. I'm grateful for the opportunity. You learn a lot just by doing. Another one I was quite disappointed in not getting, but they made an excellent hire (everyone was floored this guy wanted it) so I couldn't be mad. The last two have been quite frustrating. I interviewed for a job and was one of 2 candidates (so I was told). The only teaching job they had was in my certification area. Logically, I thought I was golden. Nope. They hired someone with different credentials. My feelings there are "hope they don't win again." But in time I realized one way or the other, it was for the best. The last one I was again one of two candidates (was told again). I nailed the interview and felt I was in good shape, though I couldn't shake the feeling from the interview it didn't matter what I did. The AD calls me the next day to tell me the other guy got it. His reasoning? He has taught AP classes.  First off, this was a small school with no AP classes, and likely, little to no demand. Second, come to find out his experience coaching was no more than mine, but his experience had been at schools with almost no wins over the past few seasons. Then third, find out he went to high school with an influential person there. And it all made sense. I still couldn't help but to think "hope they lose every game." But again, I know it's for the best somehow. Plus, I'm young so there are plenty more chances down the road I'm sure. |
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Post by tango on Jul 5, 2012 8:44:05 GMT -6
After I was hired a guy on the search committee told me they ranked us in several categories and I was the top guy in each one. He said everyone was so impressed that you turned in your resume in a folder with our school colors. I still think that is the funniest thing since I was very mad that I couldn't find a leather one and just grab something out of my wife's desk. That sums up some things IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 11:47:20 GMT -6
To piggyback off what someone said earlier about "never hearing about a guy who came in third..." I've become pretty convinced that when you interview for a job, the principal tells everyone they were the second choice! Either that, or I actually do get second place a lot!
I've applied for a few HC jobs and interviewed for two. In one situation, I was like mariner in his situation--not very experienced, not certified for the teaching area, etc. I actually felt bad about wasting their time, although that was really on them for interviewing me in the first place.
The other interview I was admittedly bitter towards the school, because I knew the person hired instead of me and while I was fond of the guy as a person, I didn't think he'd be a very good HC and based on record only, he wasn't very successful there.
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Post by ndcoach on Jul 8, 2012 19:56:31 GMT -6
....the funny thing about these jobs is that have you ever heard a person claim they came in third?? It's always shoot it was between me and another guy but the other guy got it ..I laugh to myself each time.....Well, with the jobs I have applied for most of the time, it just wasn't the right fit for me at the school, which I understood..I am a business teacher and those schools didn't have an opening at the time or someone w/ alot more HC experience than me got the job....gosh, if you take stuff like that personally in this business, you won't be very happy much of the time...even Bill Belechik got fired I was told I came in third. I interviewed with the high school I graduated from and the Principal called me and said I was their third choice, but they had a history job open and hired me to be a teacher and an assistant. They also hired their second place guy as an assistant. Long story short the season was a disaster, the second place guy quit a few weeks into the year and the top guy was fired with 3 games left. I was the only one that finished the season. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 9, 2012 8:12:41 GMT -6
After I was hired a guy on the search committee told me they ranked us in several categories and I was the top guy in each one. He said everyone was so impressed that you turned in your resume in a folder with our school colors. I still think that is the funniest thing since I was very mad that I couldn't find a leather one and just grab something out of my wife's desk. That sums up some things IMO. I've been complimented several times on wearing ties in school colors. Thing they don't know is, I only have like three ties and they just happen to be in pretty basic colors that those schools used. |
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Post by sdfbcoach on Jul 12, 2012 20:00:54 GMT -6
I have been passer over for two HC jobs. I was pretty upset the 1st time because I have been an assistant at a very successful program and the guy they hired had some previous head coaching experience but had a terrible record and was an assistant at a poor football school. Needless to say he only stayed 1 year and didn't have any success and they haven't had any success since. We have won 2 state championships since. Just interviewed for 1 this spring and I thought I had a good chance but they gave it to a long time assistant even though they were looking for a fresh start and someone to breath new life into the program. I had a feeling during the interview process that they had already made up their mind and were sort of pumping me for info. My feelings were cemented when they offered me an assistants job instead along with a different teaching job then what I interviewed for. I was upset at 1st but quickly got over because its their loss. I am with a great program and know that my time will come when the situation is right.
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Post by newt21 on Jul 12, 2012 20:26:22 GMT -6
when i lose out on a job that i feel like i'm more qualified than the guy who got it (happened to me once) then i get the feeling of "i want them to lose every game". if i don't know the person who got it, then i just assume they were better than me in some way, shape, or form and i just bust my tail to improve my craft so i can take that next job from the next guy! (and i have no ill feelings when i assume the other guy was better, it's only if i know i'm the better candidate)
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First off, this was a small school with no AP classes, and likely, little to no demand. Second, come to find out his experience coaching was no more than mine, but his experience had been at schools with almost no wins over the past few seasons. Then third, find out he went to high school with an influential person there. And it all made sense. I still couldn't help but to think "hope they lose every game." But again, I know it's for the best somehow. Plus, I'm young so there are plenty more chances down the road I'm sure. 