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Post by utchuckd on Mar 5, 2006 10:35:09 GMT -6
Would like to know what kind of requirements you guys have for players to join your football teams. I was thinking how the other teams at school (baseball, basketball, for ex.) have tryouts and choose their teams, basically because they have to because of limited roster numbers. But football generally doesn't do this. So, instead of having "tryouts", what do your guys have to do to join the team?
Two years ago when we started the season with 34 players and ended it with 24, we were letting kids just come out and join the team all the way up to season. As we get start to get more kids out for football (40 last year, roughly 50-60 this year), we got to thinking that this isn't a feasible or fair policy. So this year we're implementing that they have to go through spring practice to be on the team (aside from being on a spring sports team). And in the future we're looking to do something more official, not really a tryout, but at least a formal signup meeting or something. Thoughts?
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Post by fort on Mar 5, 2006 13:01:39 GMT -6
If you have the resources to handle the extra kids who maybe made a last minute decision, who does it hurt by letting them on the team?
If my old highschool coach had that policy, I wouldn't have gotten into football. It was an impulse decision made a couple days before practice started my freshman year.
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Post by FF/Coach on Mar 5, 2006 13:18:42 GMT -6
I'm with ya Fort, IMO you never know what a last minute decision player may turn into. Most will probably wash out quickly once they see the amount of work required, but there is going to be that occasional kid that shows up and the light comes on and he becomes a player. If you doors are closed buy some policy, the washouts are taken care of early, but that 1 player that could make a difference is gone also. I want kids if I can make a difference in that 1 extra kids life I feel I've made a big difference. Just my opinion though.
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Post by sls on Mar 5, 2006 15:20:57 GMT -6
I want kids out. I let freshmen come out all year long and upperclassmen can come also, they have to get 10 practices in before they can play.
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Post by mikewdw on Mar 21, 2006 22:07:23 GMT -6
we have them sign up for spring training and they must go through that and summer lifting to play in the fall. we usually have a couple with extreme circumstances that we are willing to work with but must have good reasons. i wouldn't won't someone who came out later than that. what do you tell those kids who have worked all spring and summer, "hey, great work but johnny over here just decided to show up and since he is a naturally gifted athlete with now motivation he can have your spot, hope there is no hard feelings, now go get us some water?" what are you teaching those kids? i have done that a couple of times for young 7th graders who were faced with that choice the first time but older kids must get in the huddle or get in the stands. now that is just my belief and i know some other coaches disagree and have been successful but at what cost? did that young man learn the idea of commitment? i would like to hear what other say. thanks, mikewdw
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Post by brophy on Mar 22, 2006 7:50:29 GMT -6
Requirements:
SHOW UP
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 22, 2006 9:43:15 GMT -6
Everyone who plays football must complete the 12 minute run before they can play in a game. Players must complete a certain number of laps in 12 min. (go by D position- DBs 9 laps, DL 7 1/2). Every consecutive (practice) day a player runs the 12 min run, he gets 1/2 lap taken off... so if a DB runs the 12 min. run 6 days in a row, he must complete 6 laps. Once you make the minimum laps, you are done and can play. By the way... 80%+ attendance at summer conditioning gives you a free pass from the 12 min run. We haven't had to do the run in a while... ( I think 1998 was the last year someone didn't have enough days). We don't ever talk about "minimum conditioning attendance"... we do talk about the 12 min. run. the players know what we mean. Plus, it is in agreement with State policy (that says you can't make summer a requirement)... it's splitting hairs, but by making attendance a reward, those who show up get that benefit (plus others), but we haven't worked ourselves in to a corner on the late-comers. It has worked well for us.
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Post by texasokie on Mar 23, 2006 11:18:58 GMT -6
All kids who come out can participate on our team. Doesn't mean they all get to play.
Team captains are the ones who show up the most during spring ball and over the summer...doesn't matter what their grade level is. We want our leaders as captains. I have found it actually makes some seniors show up more, because they don't want to be shown up by an underclassman.
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Post by trojan on Nov 4, 2007 16:49:23 GMT -6
We take everybody up until the first practice in the summer. BFS and the summer camps are beneficial, but not mandatory.
The only requirements I want have to do with player behavior. I have plenty of kids that seriously lack athletic ability, and that is okay. We can work on that. The kid that just comes to jack around at practice is not wanted.
Don't learn your position. Distract others and keep them from learning. Hide behind others so you won't be seen when you wack them on the helmets. If you came for that, then you need to go.
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Post by 50Murf on Nov 4, 2007 19:45:14 GMT -6
Amen! I would give my arm to have more of the kids that just "show up" and play. Now while I am only on the JV level, the last four or five kids that I have had in the past nine years who have just "showed up" all have turned out to be great players, in JV, and in HS. In fact, one even went on to play at DII college. It seems that a lot of the kids finally figured out that they were not going to make it in basketball or soccer, and they came out for football. I found that most, not all, but most of them were good listeners, very coach-able, and after a week or two, they really liked the physical/aggressive aspect of the game. To answer the intended question - they have to have a physical, then sign a waiver, and pay the $150 fee. In other words, two feet and a heartbeat and your eligible.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 5, 2007 9:54:38 GMT -6
I think its important that kids make a decision and stick to it. Set a dead line, two a days would be manditory for me and a kid who misses summer camp isnt going to be on my roster unless hes a new transfer. I also think its important to stress safety and a kid cant block and tackle safely if hes not conditioned and trained in those areas. Missing practice means make up conditioning to me.
im thinking of a policy that would have each kid responsible for x amount of hours of training prior to earning playing time. that time would be made up in the form of lifting and running and competing in the offseason (including other sports!)...if a kid does nothing all year then comes out, hes goign to have a bunch of hard work at each practice and after each practice before he can see the field. its just an idea at the moment.
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Post by brophy on Nov 5, 2007 10:19:39 GMT -6
its a double-edged sword, isn't it?
The more commitment you can demand, the better quality you will have. However, the more stipulations you demand, the less likely you will have large numbers
What can you live with as far as managing requirements (managing attendance, points, etc)?
Is this standard a rite of passage? An assessment? A weeding out process?
If you clearly outline off-season dates and requirements, would that, in itself, eliminate any guess work on WHAT is 'needed' to attend? Or are more measures needed to hold players accountable?
In Feb - July......the 'desire to play football' really isn't that strong. Long-term gratification is a foreign concept to many young adults.
Just because a kid can jump through all your hoops isn't any indication he can be a good football player, just that he can get a merit badge. It does, however, make a kid mindful of his status on a 'team'.
I think, the bottom line is, WHATS IN IT FOR THEM?
If the 'football team' is doing something cool (organized / meaningful) when it is not football season (7-on-7, competitions, activities), it is engaging, and they might want to fill their time with it. If it doesn't give them any type of immediate gratification, they probably won't show. I mean, I hate the way it sounds, but "off-season football" has a lot to compete with (girls, Xbox, track, baseball, cruising, etc) 99% of the kids that play for you do not 'love' football as much as the coaching staff.
Can you live with that? (to each his own)
If the 6'7", 4.3 receiver you have doesn't meet your numbers.....is he off the team?....has he dropped on the depth chart?...is there no redemption for him?
Can you justify not playing a kid (or risk being over-ridden) to the school board?
I mean, with rules, comes enforcement....and bending them clearly isn't an option.
Now, in YOUR situation, if you can't accomodate (equipment) 50 kids, then you probably have to make cuts.
However, if you have that many......you have the ability to platoon....if you can platoon (or even if you can't) you should have some serious competition for spots. Meaning, even if you do come out at the 'last minute', you would be buried on the depth chart for so long, would it really be worth sticking it out when you weren't playing?
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 6, 2007 16:08:02 GMT -6
requirements:
pulse
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 18:18:20 GMT -6
utchuckd and calande, do your state associations allow telling a kid he can't play? In IL, I don't think you can legally tell a kid not to play. I'm just wondering how that would effect Calande's statement on summer camp and utchuckd's statement on spring practice.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 6, 2007 19:02:17 GMT -6
school policy, miss two practices and youre off the team. so if a kid missed one day of "two a days" (unexcused) he would be "off" by school policy - of course the school does allow coaches to over ride that rule typically. I see no benefit to letting kids slack off all summer and show up on friday night for the first game of the year in a uniform when the other kids busted hump during the heat of aug and scrimmages etc. doesnt seem like thats good for the program to me. Never understood those coaches who tolerated kids showing up in sept "uh i want to play football..." and the coach gives them physical forms knowing darn well that the kid will need a week or two just to get that appointment. if its a scrub he never sees the field, if hes a stud the coach sits a kid who has otherwise EARNED his playing time? sorry, bad for the program.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 20:06:15 GMT -6
Don't disagree with any of that. When you said "summer camp" did you mean two-a-days? I thought you meant the voluntary offseason stuff.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2007 4:35:46 GMT -6
we always called two/three/four a days "camp"
voluntary means voluntary, would never punish those that dont go to voluntary stuff but reward teh heck out of those that do.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 7, 2007 18:31:11 GMT -6
utchuckd and calande, do your state associations allow telling a kid he can't play? In IL, I don't think you can legally tell a kid not to play. I'm just wondering how that would effect Calande's statement on summer camp and utchuckd's statement on spring practice. Wow! Somebody knocked the dust off this thread! I really don't know if it's legal or not. My main point to start all this was that the basketball team has tryouts, the baseball team has tryouts, etc... I think it gives those sports a different meaning to "make the team". I'm certainly not saying we have tryouts and cut people, but maybe have something formal that says you "made the team". It would be something that anybody that wanted to could do, basically just a meeting or orientation or something that required an attendance at a function that says ok this is the football team who wants to be on it?
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Post by saintrad on Nov 7, 2007 18:42:39 GMT -6
ahhh ...how about a "qualifier" rule to be able to wear the varsity decals on their helmets....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2007 19:04:37 GMT -6
That is something we did. If you made 100% attendance at summer sessions you got helmet stripes.
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