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Post by jcoleman7 on Oct 13, 2007 18:13:57 GMT -6
This could quite possibly be one of the greatest games I've ever watched!
GO CATS!!!
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Post by brophy on Oct 13, 2007 18:32:42 GMT -6
like I said two weeks ago..............I am sick of Matt Flynn.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 13, 2007 18:43:47 GMT -6
Are you saying he lost the game brophy? I watched the game too, but I wouldn't go there.
The defense played horrible, absolutely horrible.
6 dropped passes including a TD to a TE.
Other than the horrific pick he threw short on the deep ball, I didn't see anything worthy of dropping the loss on him.
the penalties by Tyson JAckson, Beckwith, Taylor, zero pressure on the QB, getting run on by a track athlete, and that awful DB #19 Zenon, I would have to say you we will disagree on this one.
He may not have pulled the game out on his own, but I am not sure why you are so sick of him. Please enlighten me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 13, 2007 18:44:08 GMT -6
I wouldn't say "sick" of him. I do think he hasn't been as productive as you would like the last two weeks.. unfortunately, you "just don't" pull the qb of the undefeated #1 ranked team. Plus, I have to think there is SOME reason why Perilloux didn't get to play more during the crunch time towards the end. I mean, they play 4 running backs... so they do give personnel some thought. Since I don't go to the practices, I will just have to defer to the guys who are there and evaluating.
But, Flynn hasn't shown that he shows up big time for big games.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 13, 2007 18:47:01 GMT -6
Flynn's ankle wasn't 100% until this week, so they used Perilloux for the QB running part of the offense.
I am not defending everything he has done, but the in and out stuff has to be tough. I have played in that type of situation as a QB, and it is difficult.
Don't even get me started on the horrific O-line play tonight, he was pressured a great deal all day.
It was a very discouraging loss for sure.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 13, 2007 18:52:24 GMT -6
god bless college football
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Post by los on Oct 13, 2007 19:01:50 GMT -6
Wow! I been wondering if Kentucky was for real this season, with some of these unusual wins they been getting? Guess this answers that question  I agree JC, Go Wildcats  |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 13, 2007 19:07:13 GMT -6
dsqa-- Miles has said all offseason that the 2 qb approach would be part of the offense this year, so R.P's playing time hasn't been solely due to the injury.
Matt Just seems to have come up short in the pressure situations specially the last two weeks. Pressure, injury, drops..all are a part of it, BUT he still hasn't come up big. Does that mean he lost the game? No. Just that he hasn't stepped up and made plays.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 13, 2007 19:24:55 GMT -6
I don't disagree totally.
I do think converting 3rd and 18 and 3rd and 11 with his feet were two pretty big plays late. I think the rub is in the fact that I have not seen anyone for LSU make big plays on offense - YAC just hasn't been great. There have been some tough runs by Hester.
Brandon Lafell drops as many as he catches. Tolliver pushes off a DB on a 48 yard perfect fade strike tonight, and then lines up illegally. Doucet, the "big play" maker hasn't been on the field. I just am not entirely sure where the big play have been. It just seems they have shot themselves in the foot quite a bit, and Matt is certainly not exempt from a few bad plays.
I think it is important to come clean that I wouldn't say Matt has torn it up, and there are a lot of contributing factors. Some personal, some situational. I will continue to believe he is still the strongest leader they have right now, . I just think it isn't fair to lay the deal at his feet, when he is getting subbed, hobbled, pressured, and still keeping the offense moving. I still believe he hasn't done anything to lose any games.
I have spoken to the TV more than once during his season, and we have spoken personally about some of his throws during the season. Two pretty wet games, and some missed chances, I have seen them all. I think for 7 total starts in his college career, he is still pretty good.
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Post by jcoleman7 on Oct 13, 2007 19:32:37 GMT -6
I wouldn't say that I'm sick of Flynn either. He just got roughed up bad the whole game by our Pass Rush. LSU's front guys wasn't giving him hardly any time whatsoever.
DSQA, that track star you are talking about is Derrick Locke #41 a Freshman for us. There was some talk at the beginning of the season that Coach Brooks should ahve redshirted him. I'm glad that he didn't.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 13, 2007 19:33:50 GMT -6
You replay that game, it was won and lost at the LOS - OL for Kentucky, DL for Kentucky. LSU's vaunted defense lost this game. Sorry.
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Post by brophy on Oct 13, 2007 21:03:42 GMT -6
I think the rub is in the fact that I have not seen anyone for LSU make big plays on offense - YAC just hasn't been great. There have been some tough runs by Hester. that is the summation of my 'gripe'. For as much potential as the team has and for as much glimmers of brilliance they have shown....... My frustration stems from a belief that Matt Flynn isn't another Matt Mauck. I believed he is capable of more than overthrowing receivers and tacking sacks. I totally understand them starting him over Perilloux, but when it comes down to making a play or coverting on downs, as a top team in the country, the consistency isn't there. Bo Pelini.....Gary Crowton....? I couldn't ask for a better 'dream team' of coordinators and play-callers. Alley Broussard  ......Jacob Hester.....Early Doucet.....Trindan Holliday......I figured, man, this is gonna be a blow-out of a season......then ADD my man, Crowton?! Whoo-ee!. I'm still waiting for what I assumed, I guess. Underwhelming performances against Tulane, Miss State, and squeekers for the last two weeks. Kentucky is a good team and desereved to win. I just believe the defense and offense are capable of better, consistent performances. THAT, and how the NC / BCS race will shake out now, because after all the SEC teams murder each other each week, the Big Ten teams will continue to inflate their status in the polls leaving another bowl season in the crapper. |
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Post by hemlock on Oct 14, 2007 8:19:03 GMT -6
I don't want to simply sing to the choir or reiterate the obvious, but Rich Brooks and Kentucky shown everybody (ADs in particular) why a coach should be given the full term of his contract to turn a program around. I've been following UK from afar ever since he got the job because I have known that he is a tremendous football coach. Period. Excellent teacher, leader of young men, etc. UK is an extremely well coached football team. It reinforces the fact that the best coaches in a conference are rarely those at the purely elite programs. Before he passed away, I always told friends and fans that Randy Walker was the best coach in the Big 10 because of his ability to compete and win with less than stellar talent. Rich Brooks has always been a great coach; he KNEW that if given the time to do things the right way that he would turn the UK program around. By the way, I would argue that in the SEC the best coach, the one who gets the most out of his talent week in and week out is Vanderbilt's Bobby Johnson.
Also, just want to say a few words about UK's offense. This is a very simple, yet extremely well conceived offense. The passing is premised off of vertical stems; they are one of the few teams that I have seen that get vertical, yet manages to protect the QB. You can tell that unlike some staffs Kentucky centers everything around pass pro.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 15, 2007 9:36:02 GMT -6
I finally have recovered from the bender I've been on the last 2 days...
LSU didn't take advantage of enough opportunities to win, and Kentucky did. The LSU defense played poorly because Kentucky stood up to them play-for-play, man-for-man and beat them. Gotta give Kentucky props for playing hard, and executing a GREAT gameplan.
A combination of injuries to key players and missed opportunities for LSU, and great execution by Kentucky on their opportunities caused the loss.
And Brophy...I wonder why Perriloux didn't play more in the second half as well. There were 2 passes that Matt Flynn threw that makes me believe his ankle still isn't healthy...The underthrown ball down the sideline that you refer to, and the INT down the middle of the field when the LSU WR had about 4 yards of separation on a post route that he underthrew and should have been a TD...plus the missed FG at the end of the game...
Again...props to Kentucky...might see them again in the SEC championship game if they get past Florida & South Carolina...
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 15, 2007 10:19:14 GMT -6
cq--at least you are far away from the madness.... it is already www.firelesmiles.com time down here. So frustrating to be a coach/ex-coach and have to deal with the "bleacher-coaches" ... |
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 15, 2007 10:26:14 GMT -6
cq--at least you are far away from the madness.... it is already www.firelesmiles.com time down here. So frustrating to be a coach/ex-coach and have to deal with the "bleacher-coaches" ... I am glad I am not around people who act that irrationally over a 3OT loss to a top-10 team on the road... I don't get that they want Miles fired...EVERYONE plays their A-game against LSU, and everyone is still in love with Saban because of the National Championship, but do they really believe that LSU's coaching had much to do with the loss? They played well enough to win...but Kentucky players took advantage of their opportunities and LSU missed a few. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 15, 2007 11:29:28 GMT -6
To answer your questions...YES.. they do
It is like I talked about in the other thread (pick 10 5 coaches). Certain people just don't seem to ever respect from the fan base. People were skeptical of Miles when he was hired for no other reason than "he isn't nick saban". After every win, it is "he is winning with Saban's players", but apparently he seems to lose the games on his on just fine (in their opinion).
Nobody sees it as KY did a good job of picking up the pressure packages....in fact, many of the stupid tiger fans can be found saying "why aren't we blitzing like we did early in the year". I had the PLEASURE of dissecting the TD pass on the sluggo route on TV for them, sowing that we did send pressure, KY picked it up, and the completion was made.
And now the mantra is "we have had NC talent for 3 seasons, and only one BCS bowl with no NC's. "
Jim Mora Sr. was so right.
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Post by airman on Oct 15, 2007 11:37:06 GMT -6
the florida hangover got LSU. you have to give credit to coach brooks. he has finally gotten kentucky to play some ball. also have to give KU AD some credit. Brooks has been on the hot seat several times in his tenure and the AD has stuck with him.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 15, 2007 16:13:44 GMT -6
This isn't over by a long shot. LSU dropped to number 4 only. I don't see the top 3 hanging in there personally.
Props to KY, they just did not do a lot wrong, and LSU drops 9 passes(1 for a TD), underthrew a sure TD, and played less than inspired defense.
I think(hope) in the end, LSU, OR Oklahoma, will play for the National Championship - might play each other.
Sorry USF, and BC fans. They are good teams, but each has beaten over rated teams early. I think it is great that they get to benefit from the "knock down drag out pit fight" going on in the SEC and PAC-10, but it is a long season. OSU hasn't played the meat of their schedule yet, so if they run the table, they belong in the title game, but...................I don't see it this year.
LSU still has some work left with Alabama, Arkansas, and the SEC (Redux with Florida, if Tenn. loses somewhere) championship. There are so many good teams in the SEC this year, the only team to survive will probably only have 1 loss. It is just amazing to watch week in and week out.
It really looks like a "free for all." Fun to watch, but fans need to step back and take a chill pill and really consider what is happening here. It isn't that teams are bad, it is just the opposite this year, there are some great football teams and coaches in college this year - and they are matching up with some epic battles.
IT IS A GREAT TIME TO BE A COLLEGE FOOTBALL FAN!
It is just sad that possibly one of the teams that makes it to the Championship game, will have had a relatively easy path, while the other will have had to play their hearts out. IE. LSU v. USF
BC v. OK., USF v. LSU, etc. Take your pick - I think LSU and OK should play for it at this point.
Just my opinion as always. I am not even sure why I am predicting anything, I am so busy these days, I won't even care 10 minutes after I hit enter, but oh well.
We are just so used to the best team rolling each week, that just isn't the norm anymore.
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Post by brophy on Oct 15, 2007 17:23:53 GMT -6
hope is restored after they didn't drop past #5.
A NC shot is guaranteed (IMO) if they win the SEC Championship.
I think LSU maybe 'needed' this loss (would they have dropped past #5 if they lost to Florida two weeks ago?!) - because Glen Dorsey was a beast prior to the Tulane game, then he disappeared.....he needs to come back BIG for the LSU defense to get back to their potential.
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Post by deaux68 on Oct 15, 2007 19:02:16 GMT -6
I think LSU has some really tough games left.
Auburn this week. Bama two weeks after that. Ole Miss should've beat them last year and it's at Ole Miss this year. And then the annual tilt with Arkansas, which may or may not be for Houston Nutt's job.
They win those four and the SEC championship game then they deserve to play in the national championship.
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Post by morris on Oct 16, 2007 7:40:40 GMT -6
The bigest part of the turn around for UK is when Joker Philips took over as the OC. Joker is an extremely good coach.
Locke was recruited by OK but they wanted him as a DB. UK said they would give him the chance to play RB. He is a "track guy" because of scholarship issues. Marshal Faulk was recruited heavely as a DB but he wanted to play RB and that is how he ended up at SDST.
I was at the game and I am not sure if it will every set in as far as what happened. I say that because UK football has been down for so long that the talk of top 10 and such just seems crazy. It should be interesting to see how everything develops after this year.
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I agree JC, Go Wildcats 
......Jacob Hester.....Early Doucet.....Trindan Holliday......I figured, man, this is gonna be a blow-out of a season......then ADD my man, Crowton?! Whoo-ee!.
