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Post by belebuch1 on Jun 3, 2012 14:27:02 GMT -6
Agree with the Steelers as a whole from the top on down, Packers and Gmen are up there as well. Not so much on the NE deal, i like BB but other things factor in to my opinion on them. Saints were turing it around until... well you know.
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Post by belebuch1 on Jun 3, 2012 14:35:32 GMT -6
Chad Johnson cant even get on the field so ofcourse hes gonna be quiet. Hes just happy to be there at this point.
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Post by belebuch1 on Jun 3, 2012 14:45:31 GMT -6
I also like Belichick - there is no greater example in sport of a coach/organization taking players like Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, etc. - Jack@ss players who were shamelessly self touters and get them to fall in line. I would really like to hear what was said to Chad and Randy when they came in to New England. I don't know if the coach said it, owner said it or the other players said it - but whatever it was took those guy's mouths off of ESPN everyday and I for one appreciated it. I would guess something along the lines of "See all these rings and Lombardi Trophies? We didn't need you to win them before. So either shut up or you will watch us win another one without you." Just to play devils advocate for all the N.E. admirers, How does the spy gate stuff figure into that? They -NE fans- will say it didnt help, yet to me BB isnt the kindof guy who would do anything if it wasnt beneficial. Plus they havent won since so........ as they say, it is what it is.
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Post by blb on Jun 3, 2012 15:08:42 GMT -6
If James were playing TE, as he well could have, for Steelers or Browns...
He's Kellen Winslow Jr. but with character, just playing in a different league.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 3, 2012 16:12:46 GMT -6
If James were playing TE, as he well could have, for Steelers or Browns... He's Kellen Winslow Jr. but with character, just playing in a different league. Dummy, obviously he'd play for the Dolphins! Rumour had it that in HS he had ability, but he was contact-shy.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 3, 2012 17:13:43 GMT -6
Steelers, Ravens, Pats.
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Post by ballskills on Jun 4, 2012 12:39:56 GMT -6
Gonna throw in some names that haven't been mentioned.
I like how Cincinnati seems to focus on giving athletes second chances to correct the issues that prevent them from tapping into their full potential. As a result of this Cincy gets a lot of flack for many of its players being involved with the wrong side of the law. But in a league that focuses only on winning (New England) Cincy takes chances to improve a young mans life.
I also admire the Raiders organization with Al Davis because he was never greedy when it came the to sign contracts. Many penny pinching teams have cursed the Raiders for their generosity in signing veteran players to contracts well above the league standard. But the Raiders with new GM Reggie Mckenzie (Former Green Bay front office man) will probably start to move towards the Packers model of management. Not that thats a bad thing.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2012 12:54:13 GMT -6
Gonna throw in some names that haven't been mentioned. I like how Cincinnati seems to focus on giving athletes second chances to correct the issues that prevent them from tapping into their full potential. As a result of this Cincy gets a lot of flack for many of its players being involved with the wrong side of the law. But in a league that focuses only on winning (New England) Cincy takes chances to improve a young mans life. I also admire the Raiders organization with Al Davis because he was never greedy when it came the to sign contracts. Many penny pinching teams have cursed the Raiders for their generosity in signing veteran players to contracts well above the league standard. But the Raiders with new GM Reggie Mckenzie (Former Green Bay front office man) will probably start to move towards the Packers model of management. Not that thats a bad thing. Maybe I'm cynical but I doubt that the Bengals are interested in improving anybody's lives.
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Post by ballskills on Jun 4, 2012 12:57:10 GMT -6
Why else take a $375,000 risk on a player with "character issues"? They want to see that player mature more than anybody else. And they are willing to take that risk, when nobody else in the NFL would give Vontaze Burfict, Chris Henry, Odell Thurman etc. a chance... the list goes on
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2012 13:12:08 GMT -6
Why else take a $375,000 risk on a player with "character issues"? They want to see that player mature more than anybody else. And they are willing to take that risk, when nobody else in the NFL would give Vontaze Burfict, Chris Henry, Odell Thurman etc. a chance... the list goes on Why take the risk? They work cheap. Those guys have talent. If they didn't have behavior issues they'd be making a lot more money. I'll add that that doesn't bother me either. A professional team is all about winning. That shouldn't be true in HS or college but it is in the pros.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 4, 2012 13:24:27 GMT -6
I don't know that it's all about winning. A corporate image can be very important as well. The Carolina Panthers went to the Super Bowl and nobody cared. A lot of the Raiders marketing is built around the Davis mystique, a certain roguishness. That probably wouldn't fly in Green Bay, wher I think they'd rather lose than have a collection of roustabouts on the team. Not that winning isn't important, but keeping the fans happy is often not so simple.
I'm sure when Mike Brown re-signs Pacman Jones for the fourth time he honestly hopes that he will get his life figured out, both for the sake of his team and out of the goodness of his heart. He's incompetent, not evil.
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2012 13:26:01 GMT -6
Why else take a $375,000 risk on a player with "character issues"? Because they're notoriously, historically cheap.
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2012 13:30:46 GMT -6
Maybe I'm cynical but I doubt that the Bengals are interested in improving anybody's lives. You're being too hard on the Bungles, fantom. They improved Carson Palmer's life last fall. And thingy LeBeau has been doing a lot better recently, too.
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Post by ballskills on Jun 4, 2012 13:52:28 GMT -6
its easy to miss the good in a franchise when it doesn't immediately translate into wins. But when Cincy has a team FULL of players with character issues guys it is an incredible risk they are taking. its not like NE who takes the occasional calculated low risk-high reward option by signing albert haynesworth. Cincinnati's guys generally need a second chance. Whether thats the management taking advantage of Mike Brown's obliviousness or the Organization's mission statement is neither here nor there.
Football isn't just about winning, it can be used to improve a young man's character. When you only draft and bring high character guys into your organization its no longer about developing a man.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2012 13:54:44 GMT -6
its easy to miss the good in a franchise when it doesn't immediately translate into wins. But when Cincy has a team FULL of players with character issues guys it is an incredible risk they are taking. its not like NE who takes the occasional calculated low risk-high reward option by signing albert haynesworth. Cincinnati's guys generally need a second chance. Whether thats the management taking advantage of Mike Brown's obliviousness or the Organization's mission statement is neither here nor there. Football isn't just about winning, it can be used to improve a young man's character. When you only draft and bring high character guys into your organization its no longer about developing a man. Coach, the NFL is not a social program or charity. SCHOOLBOY football is not just about winning....
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Post by ballskills on Jun 4, 2012 14:20:27 GMT -6
Coach, the NFL is not a social program or charity. SCHOOLBOY football is not just about winning.... You're right coach, the NFL is certainly not a charity program. But the question was Pro Teams You Admire. My answer is the teams that aren't only about winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 14:41:52 GMT -6
Coach, the NFL is not a social program or charity. SCHOOLBOY football is not just about winning.... You're right coach, the NFL is certainly not a charity program. But the question was Pro Teams You Admire. My answer is the teams that aren't only about winning. At the NFL level if it ain't about winning then what the he!! is it about...drug rehab? Sure NFL teams do extensive work in their commnuities, but they are there for 1 reason and 1 reason only...to WIN! Duece
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 4, 2012 14:50:40 GMT -6
Actually, NFL teams exist to execute the owner's vision.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2012 14:51:51 GMT -6
Actually, NFL teams exist to execute the owner's vision. His vision within the Franchise Agreement....
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 4, 2012 15:55:39 GMT -6
As written by all the other owners.
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Post by k on Jun 4, 2012 16:06:53 GMT -6
Actually, NFL teams exist to execute the owner's vision. Which is why the correct answer to this question is obviously the Green Bay Packers.
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