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Post by cocoach on May 31, 2012 10:11:50 GMT -6
A coach asked my thoughts on platooning with 30 kids on varsity. His main points were that the kids will be able to focus on their position. Instead of splitting up the week, they have 4 days at that position. This will help with team bonding and competitions. As a coach you will know there will be holes, but you will gameplan accordingly. There will be times guys will take snaps on the other side of the ball; either as special packages or as back ups. Game time players will be fresh and more focused going into 4th quarter. Special teams are reserved for the studs as everyone gets playing time.
The only negative is being that going in the odds will be a bad player will be exposed
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Post by cocoach on May 31, 2012 10:13:08 GMT -6
What are your thoughts? Positive or negative?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 31, 2012 11:14:25 GMT -6
Are you only teaching each player 1 position? Either offensive OR defensive?
Or are you talking about having each player learn an O and a D position, but arrange your playing time such that kids only play one or the other.
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Post by shotgunfivewide5 on May 31, 2012 11:15:18 GMT -6
coach, i have tried it two separate times with two programs....one was a very big school and i will tell you it is very hard to do....even though our numbers were much greater than 30 it was still a tough process....you really have to decide your philosophy...i took a qb, a tb and an wr and let my def coaches take the next 15 picks, usually that makes your defense very strong but your offense very medicore...if you load up on offense your defense suffers quite a bit....if i did two platoon i would make sure that i have a great understanding from my administration and several years to do this...everyone loves playing more but most coaches have to win to keep their jobs...do you divide up the team evenly and risk being medicore on both sides of the ball...by far the best way to do it is to either have a core of 4-5 of your best athletes to play both ways at some point or in our case with a small team like i have now is if you can play your big kids only one way.....find your offensive line men and try to let them play only one way....same with defensive line...most of your skill kids can play play on both sides of the ball without as much rest...just thoughts, i have never had a winning record by two platooning....going the other ways i have won more than 70% of my games....i have been around some incredible programs that win all of the time and even their coaches will tell you that they have three or four that play both ways
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Post by fantom on May 31, 2012 11:22:34 GMT -6
A coach asked my thoughts on platooning with 30 kids on varsity. His main points were that the kids will be able to focus on their position. Instead of splitting up the week, they have 4 days at that position. This will help with team bonding and competitions. As a coach you will know there will be holes, but you will gameplan accordingly. There will be times guys will take snaps on the other side of the ball; either as special packages or as back ups. Game time players will be fresh and more focused going into 4th quarter. Special teams are reserved for the studs as everyone gets playing time. The only negative is being that going in the odds will be a bad player will be exposed That's a hell of an "only" negative. |
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Post by cocoach on May 31, 2012 11:25:20 GMT -6
One kid playing defense or offense only with some players learning two.
Shotgun, I would lean towards 4 or 5 kids playing in critical points and positions. How did you do this?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 31, 2012 11:32:44 GMT -6
One kid playing defense or offense only with some players learning two. Shotgun, I would lean towards 4 or 5 kids playing in critical points and positions. How did you do this? I would teach every player an O position and a D position, and then have an "gold team" which is the best 11 players for whichever side of the ball we are talking. |
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 31, 2012 11:33:09 GMT -6
We routinely have around 30 athletes. I couldn't imagine platooning.
On average, we probably have about 6-7 starters going both ways.
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Post by coachcb on May 31, 2012 11:34:38 GMT -6
I have coached in programs with three times that many kids and platooning was hit or miss. We had kids out on the field that never should have been there.
I coached in a very successful program with four times that many kids and we platooned but still had to share kids.
IMO, don't even experiment with it...
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Post by Chris Clement on May 31, 2012 12:35:49 GMT -6
I've totally forsaken platooning after seeing different teams of different sizes handle it different ways. If you put some good effort into it, you can carry over a lot of technique and coaching points, like tackling and blocking should be almost identical.
If you platoon, there's always a temptation to have just a couple kids go both ways, but now how do you organize practice? Or an injury, and the next best guy is at a different position, and it causes a cascade of patch jobs to rework your depth chart.
One platoon doesn't mean the same 11 kids all game, I use very liberal substitutions throughout the game to keep certain guys fresh, and the starting D and starting O are wholly independent, it's just the best 11 I can have at any given time.
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Post by grouchy71 on May 31, 2012 21:00:33 GMT -6
The biggest advantage of platooning in theory is that each player spends all week practicing at one specific position, or at least one side of the ball. This is the advantage of doing it at the college level. The issue for most of us is that what most high school coaches envision for platooning is what people are discussing here where kids learn positions on both sides of the ball, but only start on one. In my mind, this negates the biggest advantage of platooning: the team practices more or less the same as one that doesn't platoon, the kids don't get extra reps and that much more improvement. The other benefit of platooning is that you get more buy-in from more kids, community, etc., at least in theory, and this is a valid reason, but in my mind it's not the primary reason and therefore makes platooning at most schools unrealistic and not the best option.
Grouch
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 1, 2012 5:47:47 GMT -6
I don't really see how you get more community buy-in.
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Post by zeroand24 on Jun 1, 2012 6:44:13 GMT -6
I have been involved in two true platooning seasons. The first worked out well until people on offense started getting hurt and we had to teach a defensive starter a new position in a week which limited or offensive playbook greatly and in turn hurt our defense. The other time it was a farce to have some of the kids on the field that we did. The theory is that if the kid gets every rep in practice at that position he will improve quickly through specialization. This not what happened, the kid that wasn't good enough to be a starting WR. Yeah, turns out he wasn't good enough to be a starting CB either. We had two of those and there is no way to scheme around two bad corners. The best kids have to play.
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Post by shotgunfivewide5 on Jun 1, 2012 15:18:27 GMT -6
coach we would find timees where they could spend a few extra minutes on their secondary position...thursday's , the team day was also a way to get your 4 or 5 two way kids some more reps....best idea if you really want to do some of that is try to play your big guys only one way as much as possible....we have a very small team and what we try to do is to find a place for almost all of our kids to play at some point during the game....even with on 32-33 kids we will often plays upwards of 20 + kids a game on offense and defense.....we find ways to rest kids....i did not say we would play them on important downs....we script formations and subbing during the week just like we do with plays...we fill like by doing things like this over a course of a ball game we can steal 15-20 plays that may make the difference for our two way player during the fourth quarter...sell your subs that ever play that play is just as important as ever other play, because it is...we try to sell our kids that ever play is important...also how much we sub has alot to do with field position, the closer our opponent gets to our goalline the less subbing we will do...find a way to sub your defensive linemen one or two plays while you are in the middle of the field...same thing on offense...one thing i will say that is very negative about platooning is that usually one side of the ball is better than the other, usually the defense and if you are not careful they start thinking that they are carrying the team and if the offense would get off their butts they could win more games..can split a team, if you do do that you you need to do a lot of team building....last example, we are in the third quarter and our big guys are tired, we run our qb alot so to rest our big guys we will go 4 wide with a taiback and spread the defense out never intending to throw the ball except if they give us something simple like a hitch...great time to play the superintendents son, or board members son to keep them happy...you sell effort and hustle not talent....of course you dont tell them that there is no way you are going to throw the ball to them...football is so situational specific...you have a big oline that is young but physical but is just not ready to start...we would take that kid and play him at a fullback or tight end...maybe only in a goalline situation...sell him on a roll...sorry i talk so much..ss
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Post by blb on Jun 1, 2012 16:27:58 GMT -6
coach we would find timees where they could spend a few extra minutes on their secondary position...thursday's , the team day was also a way to get your 4 or 5 two way kids some more reps....best idea if you really want to do some of that is try to play your big guys only one way as much as possible....we have a very small team and what we try to do is to find a place for almost all of our kids to play at some point during the game....even with on 32-33 kids we will often plays upwards of 20 + kids a game on offense and defense.....we find ways to rest kids....i did not say we would play them on important downs....we script formations and subbing during the week just like we do with plays...we fill like by doing things like this over a course of a ball game we can steal 15-20 plays that may make the difference for our two way player during the fourth quarter...sell your subs that ever play that play is just as important as ever other play, because it is...we try to sell our kids that ever play is important...also how much we sub has alot to do with field position, the closer our opponent gets to our goalline the less subbing we will do...find a way to sub your defensive linemen one or two plays while you are in the middle of the field...same thing on offense...one thing i will say that is very negative about platooning is that usually one side of the ball is better than the other, usually the defense and if you are not careful they start thinking that they are carrying the team and if the offense would get off their butts they could win more games..can split a team, if you do do that you you need to do a lot of team building....last example, we are in the third quarter and our big guys are tired, we run our qb alot so to rest our big guys we will go 4 wide with a taiback and spread the defense out never intending to throw the ball except if they give us something simple like a hitch...great time to play the superintendents son, or board members son to keep them happy...you sell effort and hustle not talent....of course you dont tell them that there is no way you are going to throw the ball to them...football is so situational specific...you have a big oline that is young but physical but is just not ready to start...we would take that kid and play him at a fullback or tight end...maybe only in a goalline situation...sell him on a roll...sorry i talk so much..ss That is almost impossible to read. Use paragraphs including periods (not ellipsis), capital letters etc. |
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Post by shotgunfivewide5 on Jun 1, 2012 19:16:50 GMT -6
sorry, i was in a hurry to send this before i had to go do something....it was not worth reading anyway
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Post by pvogel on Jun 1, 2012 19:37:11 GMT -6
Its way hard with 30. Im not here to knock 2 platooning. Ive seen a couple of powerhouse schools do it with about 60 kids each year. It definitely has a lot of benefits.
But with 30...its brutal. We have everyone practice O and D. Best 11 play. We still sub a lot and gettin people reps isnt an issue. Special teams also gets fresh players on the field.
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