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Post by coachbuck on May 31, 2012 8:16:00 GMT -6
Coaches, is there ever a point where you feel bad for your sister team and not take as much talent in the draft? In our draft we can lock down 6 kids (coaches kids). Then we do a one for one draft. Say you have a really stacked team, is there a point you make sure the other coach has talent or do you go as hard as you can knowing when football starts you will be facing other stacked teams? Here is the reason I ask this. Not so much pity for the sister coach but for the kids on the sister coaches team. Seeing kids you had in previous years and knowing they will have a bad season. Im not sure how this season is going to be but this may become an issue where I could end up with really good talent. Which is nice for a change.
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Post by coachtwy on May 31, 2012 12:38:38 GMT -6
I think that if it's a one for one draft, all is fair. Wether you have more knowledge of the players being picked or not. The other coach can do his research, or take his lumps with the less talented team.
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Post by gameface on Jul 31, 2012 9:01:22 GMT -6
You can’t draft on emotions, if you do you will be the one taking the lumps. To many coaches take there buddies kid or the neighbor kid or a friend of a friend. I agree it is hard to watch that but if you buy into it you will suffer during your season.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 31, 2012 10:12:00 GMT -6
There are drafts, and drafts. The original poster, from his description of "sister team", appears to be referring to a club where the players are apportioned between teams to play against teams from other clubs. In my situation, house ball, we draft from a common pool (with the same "daddy" exception mentioned by the original poster) to form teams to play against each other; in that case, no mercy. If I were in the "sister team" situation, I wouldn't try to be competitive at all, but would try to work out in advance an arrangement with the other teams.
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Post by coachbuck on Aug 1, 2012 0:48:18 GMT -6
We just did our draft. What I decided to do was draft to the best of my ability. We had six kids (coaches kids) the other team only had one coaches kid and five coaches that didn't have kids. I could have made him do one for one until the 3rd round and then two for one until he caught up. I let him pick 5 kids before the draft so he had same number as me. We drafted and I think I have a team that can go undefeated. So I feel good because I was more than fair and it worked out for me. This is going to be a fun year for me. My son is starting varsity qb, my freshman team is coming along and my youth team is a beast. Can't wait.
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 1, 2012 9:57:28 GMT -6
So you have to have coach/son involved to get the 6 options? That's a take I hadn't heard of yet. Interesting.
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Post by coachbuck on Aug 2, 2012 1:03:57 GMT -6
Yeah thats how its been, you can have up to six no more than that.
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Post by coachseth on Aug 4, 2012 2:10:33 GMT -6
We have a draft system too, but we draft based off player evaluations done by our coaches. Ultimately the decision is mine, but I take their input plus our needs and we come up with a fairly reasonable draft system.
1) Does the player fit a team need? (We use our first couple of picks to fill our needs, unless there is a player untouchable out there) 2) Has the player played football before? (This is huge for us, if he hasn't played football before we're less likely to take him high in the draft) 3) Player's age (We like to have a mix of young and old, but we'll take older players sooner and develop the younger ones ourselves) 4) Height, Weight, 40 Time, and abilities. (If a player has played before we ALWAYS talk to his old coach to see what he did well, what he didn't do well, and what he can improve on. The height and weight is mostly to see how he may grow into his frame, and the 40 is to see what kind of speed we're working with.) 5) Is he an outstanding young man? (We pride ourselves on being talented and well mannered, all our kids have top notch grades and work hard in school which makes us shy to take a kid with attitude issues, even if we think we could fix them)
At the end of the day, you're in this for yourself and you have to draft based off what you and your staff found in evaluations. Each staff is different, one staff may evaluate so and so higher because he can tackle, others make like so and so because of his speed, at the end of the day you just have to trust you and your staff as well as him and his staff. Eventually it'll work itself out.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 7, 2012 7:32:42 GMT -6
Be fair IMO 2 Years ago I had a very good team returning The other team was very young and not as talented After our first week- I sent him a level 8-9 player. He would have started 1 way for me- would start both ways for the other team and be "the man" The following year I was in his boat and he helped me out What goes around comes around
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Post by joejenkins78 on Aug 8, 2012 13:01:13 GMT -6
I am a first year head coach on a much larger team than my previous school. So i am totally new to the whole drafting concept. Any tips or advice to help me make sure im targeting the right talent at the right positions?
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Post by coachbuck on Aug 9, 2012 1:39:32 GMT -6
Here is what I do. I look for speed and agility. I try to avoid the fat slow kid. You dont need beef up front in youth football to win. I think most new coaches get this wrong. They think "I need a big line" what they end up with is fat slow kids and the athletic kids go right by them. If you have a minimum play rule here is how I handle that. At the end of the draft if you have kids left that you rated as very little talent and there are always kids that have not shown up yet. Family vacations and what not. Sight unseen I will draft those kids first. Im hoping to get a diamond in the rough or a kid that has moved away or a kid that is going to quit. This leaves me with less kids and an easier rotation. I just did this at my last draft and my sight unseen kid quit. Works for me. Also if you are a team that can win right away draft the best older kids. If you think your a year away and you will keep the team pick the better younger kids and coach them up. Once we got to round four I was picking all 11yr olds in a 11/12yr old league. My 12 year olds are really good and they will carry us really far so I wanted to prepare for next year also. I think Im going to have two very good years coming up.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 9, 2012 6:32:30 GMT -6
I think the question of drafting is related to why the other guy's team is so bad. If he takes talent and drives it into the ground, then forget it, no sense in there being two bad teams. If he's just incompetent at picking kids from the pool then maybe I back off a bit.
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Post by coachbuck on Aug 23, 2012 8:35:02 GMT -6
Update, we scrimmaged our sister team. I played fair in the draft as far as a one for one draft. We scored at will. Literally, maybe three plays we didnt score. We had the offense for 20 min then they do offense for 20 min. They ran four plays, could not get past the LOS, quit the scrimmage. Yesterday they did the old "we got to toughen up our guys deal" 10 yards away head on tackling drills, for TWO HOURS. I hate that I have players that I used to coach on that team. I pointed this out to the pres of our league. This team wont win a game this year. What I should have done was try and get all the talent. His team is good enough for an easy 500 year.
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 23, 2012 21:09:57 GMT -6
Yesterday they did the old "we got to toughen up our guys deal" 10 yards away head on tackling drills, for TWO HOURS. I hate that I have players that I used to coach on that team. I pointed this out to the pres of our league. This team wont win a game this year. They would if they were around here, because all around here I see youth coaches like that! Teams seem to win mostly by drafting (or recruiting) well, getting poor players to quit, motivating their players to win for the coaches more than for themselves, and playing against other teams that don't practice form either. I'd like the chance to show them how, but nobody believes me enough to put me in charge. I've been staying with the organiz'n I've been with since 2010 because they're so good organiz'n-wise (and no worse coaching-wise than some others around here) compared to many of the other nearby organiz'ns, and I haven't had a car for a few yrs. to expand my range. I'm still hoping to earn some creative control with them, though. They spend too much time stretching & warming up, and, in an apparent concession to the kids to keep things fun, an inordinate amount of time in full contact and scrimmage type drills like Oklahomas or outright scrimmages. In 2010 we did one angle tackling drill where the players ran forward 20-25 yards into each other -- and more distance forward than sideways. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and the guys in charge of my team this season, as last, are the one-eyed in the blind land. So it may be more that you are the exceptional coach (exceptionally good) rather than the staff of your sister team being exceptionally bad.
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