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Post by hback41 on May 24, 2012 13:46:27 GMT -6
After a rousing pre-game pump up speech by a player, I told him that he better be in on every tackle in the first series with all of the crap he was talking.
Emotion also does not help when you or your team is getting handled. At that point, you need inner strength and some skill. Not the Ray Lewis pre-game speech or the Saints pre-game huddle chant.
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Post by fballcoachg on May 24, 2012 13:49:20 GMT -6
Its about who wants it more....
Hate that one because I have never seen a kid that busts his butt all offseason, all week in practice, and does everything he's asked that "doesn't want it." I was watching the Rose Bowl on DVR and they made the comment that it's "all about who wants it more" and I'm thinking, yes, that is all it is...Russell Wilson must not want it as bad as Oregon, that's exactly why Wisconsin lost.
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Post by powerfootball71 on May 24, 2012 13:58:47 GMT -6
The whole "football is a game of emotion, all about kicking the guy across from you's a$$. If you beat the guy across from you, we will win this game" wears me out too. Well, what if we fumble the football 4 times and throw 3 interceptions, but we all "beat the guy across from us", we will still win? If that is all football is, what the hell are we wasting all this time for when all our game is is an 11 man pissing contest? I don't know why as a oline/ defensive coach that bothers me. Yes I agree it can get overdone but at its core that's about as simply as it is in my eyes. Shure you need other stuff to even the playing field. But if its not whip the other guy to me it takes away what makes football different sports. As far as 3 fumble and losing I hope the skill postion coaches are teaching something.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 24, 2012 18:06:29 GMT -6
Watch screen. - drives me nuts. Wake up out there Get fired up You gotta want it. - this one may get me called on the carpet eventually, every time I hear it I repress "would you stfu". Yes, we actually, years ago, used to have a coach that would yell, watch the pass, watch the screen, watch the run..he stopped after a few dirty looks
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Post by emptybackfield on May 24, 2012 18:17:54 GMT -6
The whole "football is a game of emotion, all about kicking the guy across from you's a$$. If you beat the guy across from you, we will win this game" wears me out too. Well, what if we fumble the football 4 times and throw 3 interceptions, but we all "beat the guy across from us", we will still win? If that is all football is, what the hell are we wasting all this time for when all our game is is an 11 man pissing contest? I don't know why as a oline/ defensive coach that bothers me. Yes I agree it can get overdone but at its core that's about as simply as it is in my eyes. If that's what you need to tell your kids to get them ready to play, then it's not "mindless" in your instance. However, if you think about the statement, it's pretty shortsighted and archaic. How often is your assignment on a play to "kick someone's ass"?
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Post by powerfootball71 on May 24, 2012 18:30:15 GMT -6
I don't know why as a oline/ defensive coach that bothers me. Yes I agree it can get overdone but at its core that's about as simply as it is in my eyes. If that's what you need to tell your kids to get them ready to play, then it's not "mindless" in your instance. However, if you think about the statement, it's pretty shortsighted and archaic. How often is your assignment on a play to "kick someone's ass"? For the 5 ol close to %100 of the time a fb and te on a run play close to %100 of the time for the 4 or 5 guys rushing the passer and 11 guys trying to tackle the guy with the ball %100. I guess its archaic but a ton of teams seem to win big dance playing archaic.
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Post by emptybackfield on May 24, 2012 18:44:56 GMT -6
If that's what you need to tell your kids to get them ready to play, then it's not "mindless" in your instance. However, if you think about the statement, it's pretty shortsighted and archaic. How often is your assignment on a play to "kick someone's ass"? For the 5 ol close to %100 of the time a fb and te on a run play close to %100 of the time for the 4 or 5 guys rushing the passer and 11 guys trying to tackle the guy with the ball %100. I guess its archaic but a ton of teams seem to win big dance playing archaic. I understand why you're saying, but the assignment of these guys isn't to "kick a guy's ass." If you're running power, the FB's assignment isn't to "kick the DE's ass". It's to take out his inside half, by using good technique, going full speed, and keep him out of A/B gap. I don't know anything about DL play, but I'm pretty sure if all you tell a DL is to "kick the guy's ass across from you" you'll end up with 4 guys in a personal pissing match and no one playing their gap. Sure, you need to defeat the block but that is much more than kicking a guy's ass.
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Post by powerfootball71 on May 24, 2012 18:50:30 GMT -6
Correct play your tech gap assignment yadda yadda but finish your statement with a explanation. So kick the guys ass as often as legally possible.
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Post by emptybackfield on May 24, 2012 19:33:11 GMT -6
Correct play your tech gap assignment yadda yadda but finish your statement with a explanation. So kick the guys {censored} as often as legally possible. That's kind of the point of the thread. When you "coach" you need to do so with an explanation/specific coaching point; which, "kick his ass" is neither.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 24, 2012 21:21:08 GMT -6
My brother is a university wrestler, and he's collected a bunch of classics:
"Don't get pinned!"
"Tim, don't lose!"
And my personal favourite, heard in the middle of a big fight: "wrestlewrestlewrestlewrestle."
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Post by coachroberts99 on May 25, 2012 5:09:26 GMT -6
I agree with the helpful "watch the....." followed by a stream of possible plays, often in spite of the fact the team you're playing has never run that play, ever!
The other one which gets me is really unhelpful substitution information.... "Coach, coach new WR in"
"OK, do we know anything about him?"
"No"
"Great, thanks!"
Also of course the REALLY unhelpful running commentary of what's killing us.....
"Coach, we just can't stop the sweep/power/counter" usually when they've just ripped off a 50 yard score with it...
"YES BEING BLESSED WITH SIGHT, I CAN F**KING SEE THAT!!!!!"
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Post by John Knight on May 25, 2012 5:14:14 GMT -6
Coach, They are killing our Will. Get him off the F---ing field then! I don't want to be responsible for his death!
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Post by davishfc on May 25, 2012 6:10:41 GMT -6
The other one which gets me is really unhelpful substitution information.... "Coach, coach new WR in" "OK, do we know anything about him?" "No" "Great, thanks!" LOL! Hilarious! So true...hence funny.
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Post by davishfc on May 25, 2012 6:35:47 GMT -6
Its about who wants it more.... Hate that one because I have never seen a kid that busts his butt all offseason, all week in practice, and does everything he's asked that "doesn't want it." I understand what you mean. However, I don't think that the coach saying that means that their kids "don't want it" AT ALL. Obviously the team they coach, "wants it." But I do believe that some teams want the outcome they've worked toward more than others. I believe the level of desire on the part of teams isn't uniform across the board. I also believe desire is one of the factors that influences the outcomes of games. Speaking from personal experience, I've coached teams on both ends of this and not because we didn't motivate enough. We just had kids that wanted it more one particular year or game than other teams I've coached. There was one year where I believed the desire was even higher than some of the most talented teams I coached when we won only one game. Those kids wanted it but they were still discovering what the process entailed. We lost two games by a touchdown that year. We won the season finale because of their desire (we call it pride). They wanted it more than our opponent. So I do agree that I don't like that statement implying that the team doesn't want it at all. But some teams do want to win more than others. Assuming the teams are evenly matched in 1) talent, 2) coaching, and 3) execute during the course of the game...I don't know exactly where desire (pride) factors in but it does and it, no doubt, influences the outcome of some games.
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Post by coachbrek on May 25, 2012 7:29:15 GMT -6
My most hated, many have already been said.
Block somebody!!! makes my ears bleed
You gotta want it blue!!!! Want what? win? yeah the kids want to win what are you doing to make it happen.
Come on guys show some pride!!!! I really struggle with this one isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins?
I swear sometimes coaches mindless comments are no better than the Mom's comments in the stands.
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Post by John Knight on May 25, 2012 7:47:47 GMT -6
My two most hated. Play the Play! Why? ??
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Post by outlawjoseywales on May 25, 2012 7:55:56 GMT -6
How about when a staff guy stands next to you and repeats what you are seeing. Such as, "Coach, they just made another 1st down," "Coach, they just ran that sweep" "Coach, they just tackled us for a loss." etc. "Uhhhhhhh, I can see that there, Goober." Another Can-O-Worms: The staff guy who is on the headset telling you what you just saw.
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Post by davishfc on May 25, 2012 7:58:45 GMT -6
Come on guys show some pride!!!! I really struggle with this one isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? I believe the term "pride" gets a bum wrap sometimes among coaches. I think making the distinction between the negative and positive connotations of pride is absolutely vital. Is pride one of the seven deadly sins? Yes. With a negative connotation, pride refers to a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self. This, to me, is better described by the term narcissism which is a characteristic coaches should want to discourage within our team. With a positive connotation, pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one's own or another's choices and actions, or toward a whole group of people, and is a product of praise, independent self-reflection, or a fulfilled feeling of belonging. Doesn't that connotation encompass the true concept of team? William Blake said it best, IMO... "Pride is a personal commitment. It is an attitude which separates excellence from mediocrity."
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2012 7:59:34 GMT -6
Watch screen. - drives me nuts. Wake up out there Get fired up You gotta want it. - this one may get me called on the carpet eventually, every time I hear it I repress "would you stfu". Yes, we actually, years ago, used to have a coach that would yell, watch the pass, watch the screen, watch the run..he stopped after a few dirty looks My college coach did that during film sessions. He'd see the formation and say. "Watch the pass". Of course they ran. Next play, same formation, "Watch the run or pass". So, you have a tendency here? We can rule out quick kick?
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Post by coachbrek on May 25, 2012 11:53:19 GMT -6
Come on guys show some pride!!!! I really struggle with this one isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? I believe the term "pride" gets a bum wrap sometimes among coaches. I think making the distinction between the negative and positive connotations of pride is absolutely vital. Is pride one of the seven deadly sins? Yes. With a negative connotation, pride refers to a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self. This, to me, is better described by the term narcissism which is a characteristic coaches should want to discourage within our team. With a positive connotation, pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward ones own or another's choices and actions, or toward a whole group of people, and is a product of praise, independent self-reflection, or a fulfilled feeling of belonging. Doesn't that connotation encompass the true concept of team? William Blake said it best, IMO... "Pride is a personal commitment. It is an attitude which separates excellence from mediocrity." I understand the positive and negative use of pride, in college we had t-shirts made up about team pride and used the term a bunch as far as team building and level of play was concerned. I don't have a problem with the use of the word pride and i was just being sarcastic in my comment about it being one of the deadly sins. But for some reason when a coach screams out "come on guys show some pride" as a coaching point, it bugs the crap out of me. Of course I am thinking of a particular coach I used to work with who used them all. Block somebody Fire up show some pride gotta wrap up I can't play the game for you etc. I think it's more about how it's said than the actual words that gets on my nerves.
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Post by larrymoe on May 25, 2012 12:15:41 GMT -6
Not about coaching kids, but in talking to other coaches I hate it when people tell their coaches or each other to "Coach em up".
In my mind that equals "I don't know what technique to coach, or what the kids need to do to improve, so I'll pass the buck on to you and just tell you to "Coach em up".
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Post by tothehouse on May 25, 2012 14:02:06 GMT -6
A friend of mine coaches Little League baseball. He always says this...."You got two strikes on you". I'm like, "no {censored}. You don't think the kid knows that?". Variations include; "You've got two strikes" or "Gotta protect".
Hate that. Back to football lames. "Somebody going to block somebody?"
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2012 14:10:12 GMT -6
A friend of mine coaches Little League baseball. He always says this...."You got two strikes on you". I'm like, "no {censored}. You don't think the kid knows that?". Variations include; "You've got two strikes" or "Gotta protect". Hate that. Back to football lames. "Somebody going to block somebody?" In baseball I've never understood "Play the ball don't let the ball play you". Of course, for mindlessness nothing we say here would even get into baseball's top 25.
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Post by davishfc on May 28, 2012 13:53:27 GMT -6
I understand the positive and negative use of pride, in college we had t-shirts made up about team pride and used the term a bunch as far as team building and level of play was concerned. I don't have a problem with the use of the word pride and i was just being sarcastic in my comment about it being one of the deadly sins. But for some reason when a coach screams out "come on guys show some pride" as a coaching point, it bugs the crap out of me. Of course I am thinking of a particular coach I used to work with who used them all. Block somebody Fire up show some pride gotta wrap up I can't play the game for you etc. I think it's more about how it's said than the actual words that gets on my nerves. I understand what you mean coachbrek.
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Post by tbelding on May 29, 2012 17:17:29 GMT -6
A friend of mine coaches Little League baseball. He always says this...."You got two strikes on you". I'm like, "no {censored}. You don't think the kid knows that?". Variations include; "You've got two strikes" or "Gotta protect". Hate that. Back to football lames. "Somebody going to block somebody?" Do you get mad when the 1st base coach tells the runner how many outs there are too? Why say anything at all, kids got it. Especially little league that is when they are on top of all the details.
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Post by coachrobpsl on May 29, 2012 17:55:10 GMT -6
My two most hated. Play the Play! Why? ?? What does "play the play" even mean? I have no problem with "gotta wrap up". Sometimes you can go over that non stop in practice but some kids just want to tackle NFL style(no wrapping-just big hit)in the game.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 29, 2012 19:36:44 GMT -6
We just played a team that loved their "reverse" (technically a jet off the ISO action, but I'll take what I can get around here). Every down where they could conceive it, HC is yelling "Watch the reverse." 1-10, 2-1, 3-15, all over the field. Finally they run it for a big gain because, well, it was their fastest player running it, and HC is jumping up and down yelling "I told them to watch the reverse!"
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Post by coach4life on May 29, 2012 19:46:55 GMT -6
I decided long ago that I would impale myself on the nearest fence post if I ever heard this one again:
"you're carrying the ball like a loaf of bread!".
Then a few weeks ago I heard it. From a guy employed as a scout for an unnamed championship team in the NFL. Obviously I'm still in the present, but WTF!?!
Another one I never want to hear again - 9th grade kid has thrown about 12 balls in practice game week, despite my strong suggestion that they give him some skelly, a suggestion I'd been making for at least 2 weeks. The guy impersonating an OC is getting stuffed running, panics, and starts putting it up. Like 35 times. 4 picks, shocking I know. After the 3rd one the DC walks over to the kid and says "we are in white today, try throwing it to a guy in a white jersey!", after which another coach walks over and says "yeah kid, try throwing to one of our guys!".
Counted to 100 and took a lot of deep breaths on that one....
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Post by emptybackfield on May 29, 2012 19:50:36 GMT -6
We just played a team that loved their "reverse" (technically a jet off the ISO action, but I'll take what I can get around here). Every down where they could conceive it, HC is yelling "Watch the reverse." 1-10, 2-1, 3-15, all over the field. Finally they run it for a big gain because, well, it was their fastest player running it, and HC is jumping up and down yelling "I told them to watch the reverse!" If you had any balls at all, you would've told him it wasn't a "reverse" ;D
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Post by Chris Clement on May 29, 2012 20:35:46 GMT -6
Doesn't matter, his English isn't good enough. They think "Wing-T" is a position. Seriously, they say that the DW team plays "Ace" with "two Wing-T's." They also call DW power a reverse, which I can not explain.
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