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Post by coachcb on May 14, 2012 15:58:30 GMT -6
I'm not going to wait and set my final depth chart if a high school baseball season runs into football.
I'm not going to field a JV team because the powers-that-be are morons.
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Post by 19delta on May 15, 2012 18:50:25 GMT -6
If you can't see the harm in having kids practice for 3 months and then cutting them, then I certainly can't explain it to you. Open gym would be one thing. Required practice is entirely different. I'll bet if they had you conduct offseason workouts for 3 months as a coach and then told you your services weren't needed come August, you'd think you were done wrong. This is another example of the ills of year-round sports emphasis. So, what would the solution be? Cut the football players? It's easy to criticize. Solving the problem is a little trickier. The solution would simply be to let kids on the basketball team know that once football season ends, football players will be given a chance to try out for the basketball team. And if any of the football players are better at basketball, some of the kids currently on the team might lose their spots. That may have been done in this case. If it was, then I don't have a problem at all with how things turned out for those 9 boys. On the other hand, if those kids weren't aware that they would be cut once football season ended, I think that is pretty $hitty what happened to them.
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Post by 19delta on May 15, 2012 19:05:33 GMT -6
2. With respect to #1, 'Fair' isn't a word that can be tossed around here in any serious sense. The community knows that there is an overlap and that kids can be cut well into the season. Going out for basketball means that you can be cut. Going out for basketball here means you can be cut halfway into the season. Choices, choices. That may or may not be the case. In what I have read so far, I have not seen anything that claims the community knows there is an overlap and that kids can be cut well into the season. Again...if these kids clearly knew that there was a chance they would lose their spots to football players, I don't have a problem with what happened. Simple solution...either get better at basketball or go out for wrestling! While this may be true, it doesn't really change my basic contention. The basketball coaches had a responsibility to let the kids know that there would be an additional rounds of cuts once football season ended. If they did that, then this whole situation is a tempest in a teapot. What are you basing this on? All I have read so far is that these 9 boys were under the impression that they "made" the team. At every high school I have worked out, at some point, the basketball coach announces "final" cuts and the team is established. I have never worked in a high school where kids can be cut for poor performance 2 months into the season. Is this a common practice? Do you guys work at high schools where coaches routinely make cuts based on poor performance that late in the season? It certainly isn't common where I live. I have seen kids get cut late in the season for poor academics or behavioral issues but never for poor performance.
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Post by 19delta on May 15, 2012 19:07:16 GMT -6
The kids and parents knew that more cuts would take place in the middle of the season. They knew that they could still be cut but still made the choice to participate. Coach - What are you basing this on? I haven't read this anywhere.
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Post by fantom on May 15, 2012 19:27:59 GMT -6
So, what would the solution be? Cut the football players? It's easy to criticize. Solving the problem is a little trickier. The solution would simply be to let kids on the basketball team know that once football season ends, football players will be given a chance to try out for the basketball team. And if any of the football players are better at basketball, some of the kids currently on the team might lose their spots. That may have been done in this case. If it was, then I don't have a problem at all with how things turned out for those 9 boys. On the other hand, if those kids weren't aware that they would be cut once football season ended, I think that is pretty $hitty what happened to them. If you read my post (the second above yours, right above coachcb's) I pasted a comment who says he's a supporter of the team. He claims that everybody knew that there would be a third round of cuts.
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Post by 19delta on May 16, 2012 4:58:34 GMT -6
The solution would simply be to let kids on the basketball team know that once football season ends, football players will be given a chance to try out for the basketball team. And if any of the football players are better at basketball, some of the kids currently on the team might lose their spots. That may have been done in this case. If it was, then I don't have a problem at all with how things turned out for those 9 boys. On the other hand, if those kids weren't aware that they would be cut once football season ended, I think that is pretty $hitty what happened to them. If you read my post (the second above yours, right above coachcb's) I pasted a comment who says he's a supporter of the team. He claims that everybody knew that there would be a third round of cuts. fantom - Yes. I did see that. However, who knows who posted that comment? It could have been one of the basketball coaches for all I know. My guess is that the basketball coaches did make it clear that there would be a third round of cuts. I would just like to see some documentation of that.
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Post by fantom on May 16, 2012 6:53:00 GMT -6
If you read my post (the second above yours, right above coachcb's) I pasted a comment who says he's a supporter of the team. He claims that everybody knew that there would be a third round of cuts. fantom - Yes. I did see that. However, who knows who posted that comment? It could have been one of the basketball coaches for all I know. My guess is that the basketball coaches did make it clear that there would be a third round of cuts. I would just like to see some documentation of that. I agree. In fact there are several questions that need to be answered before we can really evaluate this situation.
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Post by blb on May 16, 2012 7:02:40 GMT -6
Even if the coach did make it known there would be another-third cut, that does not preclude a lawsuit.
Documents like permission slips, liability waivers signed by parents or guardians are next to worthless now.
Coaches can have Parent Meetings, send home letters, post information on web sites all we want but will not keep us from being challenged including in court.
Fact of life, way of the coaching world these days.
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