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Post by mikewdw on Apr 27, 2006 21:36:27 GMT -6
what do you do and say to a kid who comes to you to say he's quitting? do you ask kids who don't tell you on their own? what do you say to those who tell you they are going to "concentrate" on baseball, basketball etc. do you try to get the kid to stay out or just let him go?
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Post by saintrad on Apr 27, 2006 21:51:39 GMT -6
i ask them if they are sure. Explain how quitting is a life long punishment. Ask them once again. If they still say they are, i explain that they can return NEXT YEAR after the team decides if they can return.
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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 27, 2006 22:33:18 GMT -6
IMO
You should seek a kid out. Hard, but I have to remind myself at times that I am the adult and I know better. It can be easy to stew but if for no other reason than that kids needs to feel some embarassment/pain for what he did. Otherwise we might set that kid on the road to quitting everything and we all have known kids like that.
I have tried, sometimes it works, to ask kids who tell me they want to quit to try and finish the season then make the decision if they want to quit. I try to convince them that teammates are counting on them and that quitting is never good. Usually the kids say ok, if for no other reason than they are scared. Sometimes they come back for good, sometimes come back and quit again (which gives me a bit of pleasure that they have to go thru it twice) and sometimes they just lie and say they will and never show up. You know the kind that drop off thier equipment when you arent around or ask a friend to do it. Again I go back to the fact that I try to seek them out so they have to deal with someone's dissapointment in them.
Off my soapbox now.
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Post by lochness on Apr 28, 2006 4:33:56 GMT -6
All good stuff.
We tell kids that we will not accept a "quit" decision immediately. We tell them that they have great friends and people that care about them on the team, and that we want them to be a part of thigs. We tell them (especially if they are troubled) that we think football is a good thing for them, and we can see that they are benefiting from being involved. We tell them that they don't want to make a decision they may later regret, and that they should think about it over the next few days and return with a decision.
This is a tough question to answer because it really depends on the situation.
We've actually gotten a good deal of kids change their minds, because they have time to put it and everything you've told them into perspective.
Can't save 'em all, but you can certainly try.
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Post by aleator on Apr 28, 2006 6:26:16 GMT -6
As we all know, quitting is often a way to avoid adversity. Our philosophy is explained in a letter to the parent or guardian. They are given 24 hours to reconsider their decision. If they are determined to quit they must return the letter signed by their parents with a contact number. They may petition the team for reinstatement in the next year after visiting with me.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 28, 2006 6:41:54 GMT -6
You tell the kid that its a huge life long mistake.
while football isnt for everyone it is the coaches job to make everyone feel important and create ownership and pride in the program...even the biggest scrub can be proud to wear the jersey if he feels hes contributing somewhere. too often , way too often kids give up the great game of football because of coaches that are just arrogant jerks. guys that are verbally abusive and break down 15 year olds so they can entertain their favorites...its a real sin. you wont believe how much work i do on the jr high level to repair damage that was done to kids at the 10 year old level. and many times the kids quit again in high school because its too much work or they are mistreated...somewhere along the line a coach has to make it fun and important for the kids to belong...every kid must be made to feel important...its not an exact science for sure as each kid is different.
a few years ago, my backup center told me that he was quitting because his school work was suffering. i made sure his parents knew that quitting at football would lead to quitting at anything that was tough in life. i also made sure that boys grades were darn good. he started every game at center for me the following year. i feel pretty good about that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2006 7:05:57 GMT -6
I agree, lochness, you handle them all differently in a way. As a general rule we try to find out why. If he says it's for work, school, etc. then we try to help him find a solution so he can still play. He either tries to accept that or changes his answer to "I guess I just don't want to play." At that point we kind of give him the 24 hour thing--if you change your mind you can come back.
A few years back we had a kid (starter) quit after we got off to a 1-3 start. The season went on, we won a few playoff games and the Monday that we were prepping for the semifinals the kid came in and wanted back. We told him no and the dad started getting huffy about us not giving kids a second chance.
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Post by runtheball86 on Apr 28, 2006 7:10:41 GMT -6
We try to find out why, talk about how quitting has negative impacts for life, discuss the facts that football is not for everyone, collect up their stuff and tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out.
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Post by los on Apr 28, 2006 7:18:15 GMT -6
Good answers all, I agree that quitting can become a habit and something you may have to deal with later in life. Theres got to be a "WHY" in there somewhere, if you can dig it out of them. If its a matter of just losing your love of the game and wanting to pursue other constructive interests, thats cool but if its something else related to playing time, team relations, school problems or some personal crisis in the kids life, I feel like I owe it to them to at least ask! Lost a good 1st year rising senior lineman prospect during spring training a couple years ago , who even though a rookie, was really catching up quick and was probably gonna start on def. line. The kid was a natural football player! When I told him he'd probably play a lot and asked "why" he was quitting, he told me honestly that " he didnt want to quit his job, and have to spend so many hours lifting weights, practicing in the hot sun and getting all the bumps and bruises that come with it, for the chance to play for an hour or two on friday night!" That was cool, I could understand that and wished him the best. I saw the kid in the stands at all the home games supporting his team and school that way!
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Post by texasokie on Apr 28, 2006 11:07:57 GMT -6
Quit now, and it will just be that much easier to quit later on in life when things don't go way the way you want them to. Ask them how they plan on supporting their families or themselves in the real world if they quit a job everytime their boss tells them to do something they don't want to. As others have stated, find out why...if it is to work to help the family pay bills in extreme circumstances, what can you do other than tell the kid you're sorry he has to become an adult so quick and not be able to have a full childhood. Give him a hug and tell him he can come back whenever he can afford to. Might even offer this kid some type of support role on a part time basis so he can still be a part of it in some sort of fashion. That will be in very few cases.
I agree with aleator...give them 24 hours, and if they would rather be doing something else, then that's what they need to be doing. Otherwise, their attitude will slowly spread to others. Attitudes are contagious, and you want guys out there who love the game and are comitted to winning.
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Post by pegleg on Apr 28, 2006 11:09:45 GMT -6
just tell them: "the last day to quit was yesterday, sorry, but you missed it."
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Post by superpower on Apr 28, 2006 11:36:02 GMT -6
just tell them: "the last day to quit was yesterday, sorry, but you missed it."
That is awesome, pegleg!
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 28, 2006 12:40:02 GMT -6
Boy all good answers. Here is my 2-cents. A situation we had was with a boy who was a senior this past season. He got his girlfriend pregnant and wanted to quit the team because he felt he needed to work and go with her to her appointments. He was a good kid who made a big mistake, but I told him he did not need to quit. Take care of business and if that meant missing practice here and there so be it. I was up front and told him since he would not be around as much he would find it tougher to get on the field and he was okay with that. He was a backup player to begin with. The team was okay with it too. But there is a case where you have to handle each situation separately. AS for the kid who just make that snap decision about quitting. I tell them very few rational decisions are made in the heat of emotion. Take some time and think about it. Let's talk to your parents. I want to teach them to finish what they start. If you don't want to come out next year then don't. But finish!
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Post by coachbw on Apr 28, 2006 12:48:57 GMT -6
I will often pose the following:
When you are 30, someone will ask you if you played high school football. Do you want to say yes, or I did but then I quit.
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Post by los on Apr 28, 2006 17:49:56 GMT -6
Thats a good story Chuck and great job on your part.
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Post by dfenny on Apr 28, 2006 21:34:34 GMT -6
I tell the kid the same thing as many of you (quitting is a habit, team-mates are counting on you....)
I also tell them that if you stay with us, on graduation you will give me a big hug and tell me thanks coach for not letting me make the biggests mistake of my life. Or you will run into me 5 years from now and ask me why I did not say more to convince me to stay out.
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Post by oldwarrior on May 1, 2006 14:19:02 GMT -6
just tell them: "the last day to quit was yesterday, sorry, but you missed it." I told one last year the quitting deadline was two weeks ago, he hhas no choice but to finish the season. He shrugged his shoulders, said, "well OK" and went and got dressed for practice. Played the next year too.
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Post by ci on May 1, 2006 18:57:17 GMT -6
I believe that if they're thinking about quitting, they'll quit on their teamates and you when it gets tough. Screw them... I'd rather lose with kids I can depend on than win with great athletes who have bad attitudes.....don't get me wrong, I'll try to keep them, but there's a point where it's not worth it...part of coaching is knowing who to push & who to pull
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Post by nohuddlecoach on May 2, 2006 8:02:50 GMT -6
I ask them how is this decision going to make your life better? If they give me an answer i can't disagree with, i give them my blessing.
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Post by knighter on May 2, 2006 8:15:06 GMT -6
i agree with ci
for some i will say, there is the door for others i may talk to them and have them sleep on it for a few days
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Post by jonnyboy on May 2, 2006 13:34:16 GMT -6
tell them you have a "don't quit" rule...see what they do
no kidding, had a couple of kids say "ok" and went out to practice
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Post by tvt50 on May 2, 2006 21:28:03 GMT -6
Depends on what kid it is.
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Post by nomad on May 3, 2006 6:48:54 GMT -6
we tell our kids at the beginning of the season that there are two times to quit. after the season or after the spring, other than that they are not allowed to quit. someone, somewhere (parent, uncle, brother, family friend, coach) put a lot of effort into getting you to this point, you owe it to them to stick it out.
i also tell them that 100% of the kids i know who stuck it out are glad they did. 100% who quit regret it.
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Post by coachpodach on May 3, 2006 13:24:49 GMT -6
Real good stuff, When I was a freshman, I was ready to quit, I pulled the coach aside and told him after practice that I wanted to quit. He told me to take a week off, think about it, and get back to him. I came back ready to play and never looked back. I ended up a 3 year letterman and team captain my senior year. I've now been coaching football at my alma mater since I graduated(This will be my 10th year....Thanks Coach Peluso...thank you all coaches
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Post by berg on Aug 9, 2006 13:00:55 GMT -6
Has anybody had any success having players get a signed sheet from their parents? Have any of you had guys sign a "contract" that won't "allow" them to quit?
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Post by tog on Aug 9, 2006 13:35:36 GMT -6
just tell them: "the last day to quit was yesterday, sorry, but you missed it." that's the one I use the most surprising how often it works too
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Post by brophy on Aug 9, 2006 13:40:40 GMT -6
it depends if the kid has any talent. Most kids that I've seen quit we answers to my nightly prayers.
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Post by brophy on Aug 9, 2006 15:52:01 GMT -6
funny story - had an OLine coach, who was just a total old school guy (All American center at UNI and a SWAT trainer). End of the year he goes through the whole Senior "goodbyes" with his linemen...goes down the line and ends up saying to one kid, "Hey ____, have a nice life". Kid replies, "But, coach, I'm only a Junior!"....he goes, "...yeah...."
If I remember correctly, this was the same kid that when this Oline coach was out motivating them with the customary, "C'mon you big uglies....let's go you fat Bast*rds!", came up to him after practice and said, "Coach! Hey, I'm not a bast#rd...I know who my father is" just as serious as can be.....
lol
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