caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on May 5, 2012 20:54:03 GMT -6
I am starting to realize that this is not very efficient use of time for a whole team. Young guys don't get much out of it and even starters have a tough time watching the right way. With what HUDL can do now it seems like watching film - especially of an upcoming opponent - seems like a lot of wasted time. However I have found with HUDL that kids don't always get what they need to see from it either on their own.
Can you share what you do to save time - but get the information across?
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Post by Chris Clement on May 5, 2012 20:59:34 GMT -6
Doing it as a team is probably good once to teach them HOW to watch film, but every game is probably not useful if you have limited practice time.
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Post by Coach.A on May 5, 2012 21:11:49 GMT -6
Watch film by position. Maybe Monday is DL, Tuesday is LBs, Wed. is DBs. Select no more than 10 plays to show each group. Any more than that you'll probably lose their attention. Try to get the players involved as much as possible in the process...ask them: "What were your keys on this play?", "What did our DT do wrong on this play?" "What should he have done?", etc...
Same with HUDL, I would only send a maximum of 10 plays (specific to their position group) to players to watch. This will require more work on your part because you will have to break down the film and select the 10 most relevant plays to show them (these 10 plays could include some of your best and worst from your previous game, OR they could be your upcoming opponents best runs / passes / tendancies).
I'm still working on getting HUDL for our program, but this is what I intend to do with it.
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Post by pvogel on May 6, 2012 2:58:22 GMT -6
we split the team into 2 groups. "Skills" and linemen. One group lifts and the other watches film. then they switch.
We run through film pretty quick. Dont have too much time with em. We already practice so we've told them what they did right and wrong already. So not too much time on last weeks game is necessary. but we do spend more time on our upcoming opponent. Just to show them what to look for and all that.
But in a perfect world with all the time and resourves id love to spend more time on film and id love for each position group to watch it with their coaches. thatd be awesome. I played in a system where we watched a ton of film and I felt like it helped us be much smarter players.
With Apex or hudl im sure its much easier. You can easily select just a couple of plays you want to use as an example.
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Post by groundchuck on May 6, 2012 6:29:55 GMT -6
We use Hudl. I make the whole game available to the kids. However each position coach is to make a 10 clip playlist for his position group. This year, especially during august camp we will watch video by position group.
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Post by bluboy on May 6, 2012 7:13:07 GMT -6
On Monday, before going out on the field, we will watch a little film; just enough to show our kids the opponent's basic O & D. After practice on Tuesday and Wednesday, the defense and the offensive linemen watch film(separately) for about 20 minutes. I don't know what the offense does. On defense, we make the LB's(since they call our signals) and the DB's call out the formation; the LB then has to call out the defense we will run to that formation. We are on HUDL, but we want to be sure that the kids are looking at film. We also allow kids to come to the coaches' office and watch film during their study hall. It works for us.
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Post by blb on May 6, 2012 7:31:55 GMT -6
We watch our game film Sunday at 5 pm until done (usually around 6:30 pm).
We watch each play at least twice. I narrate. If another coach wants to comment he says "Run it back please."
We will then watch 15-30 minutes of opponent's film after oral scouting report.
One of main purposes is so kids who will be on Scout teams have mental picture of how to run other guys' stuff effectively.
After Pre-Game meal Friday we will then watch another opponent's film, sometimes film of our previous year's game if more beneficial.
We do not have HUDL or easy access to video equipment-viewing area during the week.
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Post by fantom on May 6, 2012 8:10:25 GMT -6
Coach, we watch film together as a team prior to practice on Mondays. We sit in groups by positions and each coach is responsible for making short comments to his players. We do the same thing. I believe that watching as a team is extremely important because it provides an atmosphere of accountability. Kids can kid themselves. If they're sitting at home watching the film by themselves with just a brief note saying about their play it's easy for them to pretend that it wasn't their fault. When you see the play a few times with the laser pointing at you, though, it's hard to say that you did it right. On the other side of it, when you see a good play you get recognized by all of your peers. That's strong stuff.
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Post by Mav on May 6, 2012 8:46:40 GMT -6
Coach, we watch film together as a team prior to practice on Mondays. We sit in groups by positions and each coach is responsible for making short comments to his players. We do the same thing. I believe that watching as a team is extremely important because it provides an atmosphere of accountability. Kids can kid themselves. If they're sitting at home watching the film by themselves with just a brief note saying about their play it's easy for them to pretend that it wasn't their fault. When you see the play a few times with the laser pointing at you, though, it's hard to say that you did it right. On the other side of it, when you see a good play you get recognized by all of your peers. That's strong stuff. I agree 100%. I've heard many coaches ask - "with a system like Hudl where all the players can watch film themselves, do you still have to watch together as team?" Absolutely YES! - IMHO. We consider Hudl as a great supplement to the team film sessions. We go over many of the same coaching points in the group meeting as we do with Hudl notes, but it's never a replacement. Additionally, we all know players who don't respond well to being called out in front of the team. Letting them review their mistakes privately is very powerful and effective for many players. BTW - I really like the simple idea of having the players sit in groups by position during the team reviews. Makes perfect sense - we're usually scanning around trying to find the player when we have a point to make to them. Not sure why this never occurred to me to do before. Thanks!
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Post by davishfc on May 6, 2012 9:53:20 GMT -6
We do the same thing. I believe that watching as a team is extremely important because it provides an atmosphere of accountability. Kids can kid themselves. If they're sitting at home watching the film by themselves with just a brief note saying about their play it's easy for them to pretend that it wasn't their fault. When you see the play a few times with the laser pointing at you, though, it's hard to say that you did it right. On the other side of it, when you see a good play you get recognized by all of your peers. That's strong stuff. The atmosphere of accountability is absolutely necessary IMHO. Mistakes were, no doubt, made and loafs occurred which will need to be corrected if our team is going to CONTINUE to be successful or even BEGIN to be successful. Many players have a way of minimizing the significance of their mistakes or lack of effort in their mind. Or better yet, inflating a mediocre or less than mediocre performance into something much more respectable. Seeing those mistakes and loafs on film will help that player to understand just how detrimental they were. This should serve as motivation to get it right next time not only for themselves but for their teammates as well. Great plays and efforts will be evident as well and those need to be recognized also. Being recognized in front of teammates and coaches about the positive performances during the game is absolutely important. This will certainly serve to reinforce the desired techniques and efforts necessary for success. A balance of both correction and recognition is important to the development of the team over the course of the year. Team film sessions, in my opinion, are still the most effective method to accomplish this task. While Hudl is a neat tool and the time the players are on Hudl can be monitored I believe it's more about the quality of time rather than the quantity. Coaches have a responsibility to create quality time for correction and recognition and they WILL during team film sessions. I have only coached a handful of players that I could comfortably list who I know would hold themselves nearly as accountable as a coach. Those are usually very special, hard-working kids who truly LOVE football and are students of the game. The nature of coaching is to be critical NOT negative. The coaches that can be critical of their players without them taking it personally are the coaches who are successful. Team film sessions are vital to the development of any football team.
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on May 6, 2012 10:50:28 GMT -6
Thanks for the help guys -
What we did last year - We would bring kids in on Saturdays to review film from Friday. I would go over special teams for 15 minutes. We would then break in to O and D groups (30 minutes each).
Mondays we would bring kids in monday and watch a little bit of the upcoming opponent
Thursday we would review special teams and anything that had come up for coaches during the week.
I really like getting the position coaches creating cut ups for their kids on Tuesday and Wednesday - Maybe Defense on Tuesday and Offense on Wednesday.
Also like coach Plaa's idea of walking around with the Ipad to pull kids out individually.
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Post by larrymoe on May 6, 2012 22:32:37 GMT -6
I know I'm in the minority, but I've always thought that watching film with your kids is a waste of time. They would much rather see you run it against them (no matter how bad a look you give them) than see it on film.
HUDL (in my opinion) has created a market for itself by convincing people that if they don't buy it they're going to be outcoached.
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Post by newhope on May 7, 2012 6:57:05 GMT -6
We watch film together on Mondays before practice (they get their weekends off--players, not coaches). We watch our film and coach from it. The best we've ever done it is to make a few clips of their "favorite plays" from Apex (or Hudl if that's what you use). I prefer that to trying to show them all of the other teams film. We make that available to them online or on disc.
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Post by fantom on May 7, 2012 8:05:16 GMT -6
I know I'm in the minority, but I've always thought that watching film with your kids is a waste of time. They would much rather see you run it against them (no matter how bad a look you give them) than see it on film. HUDL (in my opinion) has created a market for itself by convincing people that if they don't buy it they're going to be outcoached. Let me make it clear that we watch film of our game. Usually afterward we watch a few minutes of the opponent but mostly they do that on their own on Hudl.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 7, 2012 8:14:55 GMT -6
Coach, we watch film together as a team prior to practice on Mondays. We sit in groups by positions and each coach is responsible for making short comments to his players. We do the same thing. I believe that watching as a team is extremely important because it provides an atmosphere of accountability. Kids can kid themselves. If they're sitting at home watching the film by themselves with just a brief note saying about their play it's easy for them to pretend that it wasn't their fault. When you see the play a few times with the laser pointing at you, though, it's hard to say that you did it right. On the other side of it, when you see a good play you get recognized by all of your peers. That's strong stuff. Agree here..also we used it to call attention to the good play of others who might not be a "popular" teammate..like a soph who just beat out a senior..it's also a way to set tempo for the week ..I also like it to get the vibe of a team...For instance after a devasting loss or maybe they are too full of themselves after a win
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