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Post by gunslinger on Nov 20, 2006 15:17:22 GMT -6
How do you guys treat the 2 point conversion decision?
Do you "go by the chart" regardless of the time or only go for two when you have to have it (4th quarter)?
I was under the impression that most college/pro teams only go for two in the fourth quarter now days.
However, I watched Bama/Auburn this weekend and Shula went for two on a couple of different occasions and didn't get either one (leaving 2 points on the board).
Later in the game he had to waste a time out to avoid a delay of game on a field goal attempt then decided to go for it on 4th and 15. Didn't make it (no points).
Throw all of that together with the failure to score a TD with 1st and Goal early in the game and Bama could have easily upset Auburn.
So, do you take the extra point (assuming that you have a good kicker) and only go for two late or chase the points according to "the chart?"
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 20, 2006 19:40:53 GMT -6
i don't chase 1 point in the first half. main thing i want to consider or "speculate on" is how many more possessions will we have? this will have a big impact on whether we go for 2 or just go ahead and kick the pat
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Post by olinecoach61 on Nov 20, 2006 20:29:00 GMT -6
For me it depends on the situation. I tend to be conservative and only go for 2 when 1. I need it or 2. I think we can put someone away with it. However this week we play a good single wing team that goes for 2 every time, so the decision is mostly mad for me.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 20, 2006 21:13:46 GMT -6
For me, 1 point in the first quarter counts the same as 1 point in the second, third, or fourth quarter. ONE POINT IS ONE POINT. I'll go for 2 as the need (or chart) arises.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 20, 2006 21:20:46 GMT -6
For me, 1 point in the first quarter counts the same as 1 point in the second, third, or fourth quarter. ONE POINT IS ONE POINT. I'll go for 2 as the need (or chart) arises. think that was the point of the initial question .... when do you follow the chart and go for 2 when it says you should? i.e. if it's 8 to 6 in the first quarter, do you go for 2 to tie it or kick it to make it 8-7? at what point do you seriously look at the chart (score) to determine if you should be going for 2 instead of kicking? |
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 20, 2006 21:48:00 GMT -6
Depends on the type of game, opponent, other factors. A few years back we took a 7-0 lead; our opponent scored and made the two - down 8-7. We scored next and I decided to go for two, and made it - 15-8. They scored again, made the two, and won 16-15. My thinking at 13-8, with conversion decision to make, was that if 2 pt. conv. good, we are up seven, and they have to score a TD and 2 pt. to beat us (they didn't kick), and it was a defensive type game. Another factor was that in this particular game, I had a two point play that I felt very confident of scoring with in that situation, a play they had not seen us run. If that had been a different type of game with lots of scores anticipated, we will kick if we have the kicker, something we don't always have. As a matter of percentages, if a kicker is capable of making about 80%, I'm going to kick as a rule, as that would come out ahead of the percentage we have made 2's through the years.
I like what Air Force did against Tennessee earlier this season. You make it three yards you win; if not, they win. You have your guys win it or lose it there - underdog, on the road. I even like what Osborne did in the Orange Bowl in '84. All they needed was a tie (to win national championship), but he wanted his guys to win it outright or lose, no in between. In those end of game situations, though, I think a lot of that may be dictated by how you anticipate doing in OT. In a one touchdown (7 point) loss we had this season, I would have gone for two had we scored the potential tying touchdown on our 4th qt. drive (we didn't), simply because against that opponent on that day I didn't want OT. No charts there, just the subjective gut of the coach in some of those situations....
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 22, 2006 20:40:51 GMT -6
I think the charts are there so when the game is on the line you don't just have your gut to go on - it's one more tool to help. Whether it's first quarter or 4th quarter, if you're down by 1 or down by 5, these are fairly easy to call. When you're up by 7 or 11, or down by 18, thats when the chart can help. I don't think it's "chasing a point" to go for 2 in the 1st quarter. 1 point is 1 point.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 25, 2006 21:44:54 GMT -6
1 think i think helps is to decide what you need to do before you start the drive. have a basic idea about whether you will kick it or go for 2 while playing defense ... keep track of it before you get the ball back. keep track of the time and put together some scenarios such as:
* if we hold them 3 & out, we'll kick it (based on what time is still remaining)
* if they kick a FG we'll go for 2 regardless
etc. etc.
this allows you to begin to formulate what play you want to run without having to make a "last second" decision once you score.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2006 5:07:28 GMT -6
How do you guys treat the 2 point conversion decision? Do you "go by the chart" regardless of the time or only go for two when you have to have it (4th quarter)? I was under the impression that most college/pro teams only go for two in the fourth quarter now days. However, I watched Bama/Auburn this weekend and Shula went for two on a couple of different occasions and didn't get either one (leaving 2 points on the board). Later in the game he had to waste a time out to avoid a delay of game on a field goal attempt then decided to go for it on 4th and 15. Didn't make it (no points). Throw all of that together with the failure to score a TD with 1st and Goal early in the game and Bama could have easily upset Auburn. So, do you take the extra point (assuming that you have a good kicker) and only go for two late or chase the points according to "the chart?" kickers? we dont need no stinking kickers! Go for two every time. every time. |
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Post by coach79 on Nov 27, 2006 21:57:59 GMT -6
What are these kickers you speak of?? this ain't fu'tbol.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 28, 2006 0:40:03 GMT -6
Assuming I have a good and pretty reliable place kicker, then I basically only go for two when I think there will not be any more scoring, and rarely if ever in the first half. If it is early in the second and it's a low scoring game, then maybe.
I do not buy the theory that 50% 2-pt percentage is the same as kicking 100% PATs, if for no other reason than the variance will cause you to lose games you should be tied or ahead, and the extra 2 or 3 points will not make a difference in games you would have won anyway: you want the sure points.
Now, the worse my kicker is, the more likely I am to go for two, but I try to keep that decision independent of what the score is. Do I think I have a 2-point play that will work? I may call it. And then will do it based on need just as if I had a great kicker.
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