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Post by coachjd on Apr 14, 2012 5:36:28 GMT -6
I have been teaching and coaching at my current school now for 11 years. It used to be a proud athletic tradition school. (5 conf championships, 3 section finals in a 7 year span)
We have fallen into a culture of boozers and losers. AD is averaging 40+ alcohol violations a year with athletes (small school - 424 9-12). Kids don't care, they now have made t-shirts that say "weakened warriors" with a keg of beer on the front and a stupid quote on the back about getting messed up every weekend. They do not wear them to school but have seen them around town. They even have a weekend warriors Facebook page!
Now the kids who do care and want to do well are getting called out and made fun of! They call them "Try Hards" or PAM'S (practice all-Americans). So it's not cool to do well, care and want to be good.
Is anyone else seeing crap like this? Or is this just a place I need to get my kids as far away as possible? I have stepped down as head coach because I can no longer coach kids and parents who do not care.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 14, 2012 6:29:49 GMT -6
I have been teaching and coaching at my current school now for 11 years. It used to be a proud athletic tradition school. (5 conf championships, 3 section finals in a 7 year span) We have fallen into a culture of boozers and losers. AD is averaging 40+ alcohol violations a year with athletes (small school - 424 9-12). Kids don't care, they now have made t-shirts that say "weakened warriors" with a keg of beer on the front and a stupid quote on the back about getting messed up every weekend. They do not wear them to school but have seen them around town. They even have a weekend warriors Facebook page! Now the kids who do care and want to do well are getting called out and made fun of! They call them "Try Hards" or PAM'S (practice all-Americans). So it's not cool to do well, care and want to be good. Is anyone else seeing crap like this? Or is this just a place I need to get my kids as far away as possible? I have stepped down as head coach because I can no longer coach kids and parents who do not care. jd - I think you and I work at the same school! ;D
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Post by gapshoot76 on Apr 14, 2012 7:07:10 GMT -6
My alma matre is the same way... 15 straight playoff appearances, something like 7 straight conf. Championships. Absolute power in our area. I stay in touch with several of those coaches, and the one I talk to most frequently is trying his hardest to move on. I don't know real athletic code violation numbers but there is something like over 50% free lunch and continues to get worse. All sports program numbers are dropping. It's sad from the outside looking in to watch my home town fall apart, mostly because kids just don't care anymore!
At my current school we have our own issues but not near as bad as other places I've seen. We are known for our "good kids". Unfortunately that correlates with not so good of athletes for us.
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2012 7:21:21 GMT -6
We haven't had a lot of code violations but our participation is down. Of course so is enrollment (from 511 three years ago to 421).
We had only 22 varsity Football players (including one Soccer kid who kicked for us) last Fall. My first year we didn't have enough Sophomores for a JV team, possible we will not have enough for a Freshman team this season.
Our girls' Track team has only 6-7 and there is no JV Softball squad this Spring due to numbers.
In weight room yesterday our RG-MLB said, "There's a lot of lazy kids in our town, Coach."
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 14, 2012 7:25:33 GMT -6
We are not seeing it that bad. But I did teach and coach at place just like that and it was no fun.
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2012 8:10:42 GMT -6
Is anyone else seeing crap like this? Or is this just a place I need to get my kids as far away as possible? I have stepped down as head coach because I can no longer coach kids and parents who do not care. jd, I was in a spot like that two jobs ago. There was a LOT of drugs and alcohol. Year I left Senior class graduation edition of school paper bragged about being the "worst class in school history" with a rehash of all the negative things they had done - couldn't believe administration allowed them to publish that. In 2001 we won first conference championship in 31 years and went to playoffs for first time ever. In eight years I've been gone they've won 19 games total and are on their third head coach. If you can leave and get your kids out of that environment without taking too big a hit in the wallet, I suggest you do so.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 14, 2012 9:21:54 GMT -6
I have been teaching and coaching at my current school now for 11 years. It used to be a proud athletic tradition school. (5 conf championships, 3 section finals in a 7 year span) We have fallen into a culture of boozers and losers. AD is averaging 40+ alcohol violations a year with athletes (small school - 424 9-12). Kids don't care, they now have made t-shirts that say "weakened warriors" with a keg of beer on the front and a stupid quote on the back about getting messed up every weekend. They do not wear them to school but have seen them around town. They even have a weekend warriors Facebook page! Now the kids who do care and want to do well are getting called out and made fun of! They call them "Try Hards" or PAM'S (practice all-Americans). So it's not cool to do well, care and want to be good. Is anyone else seeing crap like this? Or is this just a place I need to get my kids as far away as possible? I have stepped down as head coach because I can no longer coach kids and parents who do not care. Yes, the community has been taken over by loser parents, who beget loser children. Get out.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 14, 2012 10:58:59 GMT -6
The last public school I coached had lockdowns, I.D. badges, campus patrols and security, rude students and apathetic parents.
Got a coaching position at a Catholic school, and all, and I mean ALL of that disappeared. The student deportment is exemplary, no campus security is necessary and it has been the most pleasant atmosphere I've ever worked.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 14, 2012 11:18:45 GMT -6
At my school most of the kids are in gangs. There are some great kids who want to be successful, but they are few and far between. In the classroom, they can't learn because the bloods and crips want to kill one another. On the field, there is little to no pride. They are great until adversity strikes, and then everybody wants to go into the tank. Rather than fight back in the game, they want to fight each other and point fingers at half time.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2012 11:54:59 GMT -6
Is it really that bad? Are there NO good kids? Is this problem more pronounced at small schools?
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 14, 2012 14:43:24 GMT -6
I think it can be more pronounced in small schools. 40 kids at a small school is a bigger problem than 40 kids in a big school.
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Post by champ93 on Apr 14, 2012 14:55:11 GMT -6
jd,
I think things like you're dealing with now are cyclical. You said it was once a proud tradition so it must be a relatively new phenomenon for your school. Sadly some groups like the 'weakened warriors' take some of the middle kids with them. Clear them out, concentrate on the kids who want to do well. Eventually this group and its followers will graduate, grow up or go to jail.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 14, 2012 17:12:28 GMT -6
When movies like Hangover and pot smoker movies are glorified, what exactly as a society are we expecting kids to act like?
On a side note- There has been some psychological studies suggesting this attitude among teens and young adults is a response to the increased academic pressures in their younger lives. What is the socioeconomic makeup of your school coachjd?
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Post by airraider on Apr 14, 2012 17:33:40 GMT -6
Kind of same situation I am in... but I think overall its beginning to be more accepted for younger kids to dring and go whatever...
Have 2 different sophomores whose parents hold partys for kids at their house! WHO DOES THIS?
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2012 17:53:40 GMT -6
Kind of same situation I am in... but I think overall its beginning to be more accepted for younger kids to dring and go whatever... Have 2 different sophomores whose parents hold partys for kids at their house! WHO DOES THIS? Same people who let their kids wear "Weakened Warriors" t shirts. The school where I graduated had a little scandal a few years ago. A guy got arrested for allowing underage drinking at a graduation party. Why was it a scandal? The guy was on the School Board.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2012 18:03:55 GMT -6
When movies like Hangover and pot smoker movies are glorified, what exactly as a society are we expecting kids to act like? On a side note- There has been some psychological studies suggesting this attitude among teens and young adults is a response to the increased academic pressures in their younger lives. What is the socioeconomic makeup of your school coachjd? Cheech and Chong formed in 1971, and Animal House came out in 1978, so there aren't many guys on here (OJW excepted) who can claim that as an excuse. I think either the area has changed, or this is a temporary blip. It will take a couple of truly special students to break the mould over four years and bring the others with them. All you can do is look for them and facilitate them when they arrive.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 14, 2012 18:07:40 GMT -6
When movies like Hangover and pot smoker movies are glorified, what exactly as a society are we expecting kids to act like? On a side note- There has been some psychological studies suggesting this attitude among teens and young adults is a response to the increased academic pressures in their younger lives. What is the socioeconomic makeup of your school coachjd? Cheech and Chong formed in 1971, and Animal House came out in 1978, so there aren't many guys on here (OJW excepted) who can claim that as an excuse. I think either the area has changed, or this is a temporary blip. It will take a couple of truly special students to break the mould over four years and bring the others with them. All you can do is look for them and facilitate them when they arrive. Cheech and Chong and Animal House were borderline movies who have only become mainstreamed over time. They were on the fringe of society and only those people who were into that kind of thing watched them. They weren't shown on network TV. There's usually at least 1-2 stoner/party movies out a month in today's culture. The subculture of drugs has went mainstream.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 14, 2012 18:09:27 GMT -6
Is it really that bad? Are there NO good kids? Is this problem more pronounced at small schools? There are good kids...LOTS of 'em. The problem in our district is that we have never been good in any sports at all. The community WANTS to have great teams but, because of a long history of being noncompetitive, they don't know where to start. The other thing that makes it tough is that our school is in the top small-school football conference in the state. Every year, we have anywhere from 3-5 teams in our conference that are legitimate contenders for a state title (and often win it). In a conference like that, every week is a dogfight...there are no creampuffs on the schedule. Basically, what it comes down to is that we are the creampuff...we have turned into the school that everyone else wants to play for homecoming. About 10 minutes down the road from us is a school that has won 3 state championships and has a head coach who has won 225 games in his career (currently ranked in the top 20 all-time in our state). The people in our community are forever comparing us to that school..."why can't we have teams like ________?" "Why aren't we winning championships like ______?" What the people in our community don't understand is that it takes a ton of work by the coaches and athletes and support from the community, teaching staff, and administration to build high school sports programs that are consistently competitive, year after year. In our community, parents want the championships but they don't realize or aren't willing to commit to the level of buy-in necessary to create an atmosphere in which excellence is simply expected. Our parents want to go from where we are right now (the bottom of our conference) to a state title contender. But they want to skip all the hard work that is required to accomplish that. Other problem is our youth football program in town is not run by the school. A community organization runs it and it is simply awful...just think of every terrible thing you have ever heard about in youth sports and that pretty much sums up our youth football program here. Right now, we have a couple paid assistant coaching spots open for our high school program but no one wants them (I'm not a coach there) even though the spots have been open since January. Our head coach...he is a nice enough guy but he just doesn't know what he is doing and he has been allowed to do that for the better part of the last 10 years. Even though we have the second biggest enrollment in our conference, we consistently field the smallest teams. The good athletes in our school don't want to play football because they know the coaches are incompetent. I'm sure that we will fill those spots, but we will most likely end up with a couple slapdicks who are basically fans with whistles. As bad as we have been, we are about to hit rock bottom and then start digging...I would not be surprised in the least if we have an 0-27 coming up the next 3 years. Our incoming senior class...some nice kids, but zero athletes. Our incoming junior class has never won a high school football game. They are 0-18 between their freshmen and sophomore classes with over half of those games being running clocks against them. And the incoming sophomore and freshmen classes really have never won anything on any previous level of any sport. So, we are in big trouble.
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Post by coachjd on Apr 14, 2012 18:31:35 GMT -6
When movies like Hangover and pot smoker movies are glorified, what exactly as a society are we expecting kids to act like? On a side note- There has been some psychological studies suggesting this attitude among teens and young adults is a response to the increased academic pressures in their younger lives. What is the socioeconomic makeup of your school coachjd? We are close to 45% free and reduced lunch and about 35% Hispanic. It's mostly our farm kids who are the weekend warriors driving there 25k pickup trucks who are the problems. we have a lot of parents buying Booze and kegs from what we are hearing.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2012 19:11:52 GMT -6
Cheech and Chong formed in 1971, and Animal House came out in 1978, so there aren't many guys on here (OJW excepted) who can claim that as an excuse. I think either the area has changed, or this is a temporary blip. It will take a couple of truly special students to break the mould over four years and bring the others with them. All you can do is look for them and facilitate them when they arrive. Cheech and Chong and Animal House were borderline movies who have only become mainstreamed over time. They were on the fringe of society and only those people who were into that kind of thing watched them. They weren't shown on network TV. There's usually at least 1-2 stoner/party movies out a month in today's culture. The subculture of drugs has went mainstream. That's absurd. Up in Smoke was the #12 movie of 1978, Cheech and Chong won a Grammy in 1973. Animal House grossed 141 million. More recently, Dazed and Confused came out in 1993 and is set in 1976, Pulp Fiction came out in 1994. It makes no sense to argue that in 1995 people started pinching out kids that were drug fiends where before they'd been analogues of Beaver Cleaver. To argue such is pure fogeyism.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 14, 2012 19:42:06 GMT -6
we have a lot of parents buying Booze and kegs from what we are hearing. Turn them over to Social Services...let them sort it out.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2012 19:59:17 GMT -6
Cheech and Chong and Animal House were borderline movies who have only become mainstreamed over time. They were on the fringe of society and only those people who were into that kind of thing watched them. They weren't shown on network TV. There's usually at least 1-2 stoner/party movies out a month in today's culture. The subculture of drugs has went mainstream. That's absurd. Up in Smoke was the #12 movie of 1978, Cheech and Chong won a Grammy in 1973. Animal House grossed 141 million. More recently, Dazed and Confused came out in 1993 and is set in 1976, Pulp Fiction came out in 1994. It makes no sense to argue that in 1995 people started pinching out kids that were drug fiends where before they'd been analogues of Beaver Cleaver. To argue such is pure fogeyism. I grew up on The Three Stooges (haven't decided yet whether to see the movie) but have yet to brain a co-worker with a monkey wrench.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2012 20:06:49 GMT -6
Really? I'm constantly poking people in the eyes.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2012 20:09:06 GMT -6
Really? I'm constantly poking people in the eyes. Well, I'll be on a new staff this year so maybe I spoke too soon.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2012 20:18:56 GMT -6
Maybe I should bring a wrench to practice... We have 3 foot splits, and I asked who was considered covered if the D uses a gap alignment, and I was told "I don't think we'll see that, don't worry about it."
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2012 20:26:49 GMT -6
Try this.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2012 20:34:06 GMT -6
Words just aren't enough.
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Post by PSS on Apr 14, 2012 20:47:14 GMT -6
JD, we have pretty much the same make up in student population but more like 55% Hispanic. Also in a rural community here in Texas. The ones that aren't Hispanic are Germans or Bohemians so they start drinking at an early age. Nothing we can do about it, it's their culture and has been for years. The parents for the most part don't allow their kids to get out of control.
What we have in our favor is that the parents our very supportive. Our district still allows us to swing the board and the parents want us to use it when needed. We coach our players hard and they respond.
Because we are a small school we have several that 3 or more sports, which is a good thing because it keeps them busy.
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Post by Yash on Apr 14, 2012 20:48:53 GMT -6
Maybe I should bring a wrench to practice... We have 3 foot splits, and I asked who was considered covered if the D uses a gap alignment, and I was told "I don't think we'll see that, don't worry about it." Not to stray off topic but had a similar thing last year where I asked the D coordinator what if the team did this, he said "we don't deal with what if's, we deal with what we know they will do" First play of scrimmage was my "What if" and a 40 yard TD. As for the drinking problem I'm not sure of a solution. I coach at one school where as far as I know, we don't have a real problem. My kids seem to stay pretty clean. Never had an alcohol violation in my 4 years there. Are we lucky? Are we ignorant? I feel like I have the pulse of my guys. I feel really lucky because I know 4 miles down the road they struggle to keep kids eligible and lost a game last year because of they had 3 or 4 guys get busted for drinking during homecoming.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Apr 14, 2012 21:09:11 GMT -6
Hey, hey, hey...watch it, I resemble that remark. Things change, sorry-just had to say it. But it's true. I've got a friend who has coached at the same school for +20 years, perinniel state playoff guy, hall of fame yada yada. He hit a stretch in 2009, 2010 where they won only a couple of ball games. Last year won 8, but that was way down from normal. The situation was the kids, he just hit a rough spot. It was the kids, they were just not very good athletes. While this isn't the same, it IS similar. It's the kids. The kids are the children of the parents. Certainly times have changed. We did Cheech and Chong skits back then (Dave's not here, man) but that didn't make us do anything. Truly, times are different, but I don't think you can blame it on a certain movie or certain music or certain...anything. It's just different. But, not THAT different in the last 10 years. However, and this is the proverbial Big butt, if you are in a military town and a base got closed, if you are in a industry area and the plant closes, sure things are going to be different. BUT, you would see a drastic dropoff in the size of the school, not in the "size of their beer bottles." I think you've just hit a bad run. You can stay and see if it gets better, you can check yourself and see if y'all are doing something negative and don't realize it. OR, you could find somewhere else. I say, find somewhere else. Football is supposed to be fun, when it quits being fun, I find something else to do. I have, I did, and I do. OJW
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