moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 13, 2006 14:23:38 GMT -6
I was just offered an assistant coaching job at a great d3 program. I'm more than excited about the offer. However, here is the problem I have right now. I'm a HS head coach, and I know that my career will be as a college coach at some point. It's what I've always wanted. If they were to offer me this job next winter after the season, I'd take it in a heartbeat. But it is just so close to the start of the season and I don't know if any of my assistants would be willing/able to take over. (I hate to admit that, but its just the way it is). I feel like I'd really be screwing my kids. We just went to a team camp a few weeks ago and this would be my third year with them, the program really has my stamp on it right now.
I know that I should take the college job as it is great for my career ambitions, but I just don't wanna hurt my kids after I've done so much for them (and they've done so much for me).
HELP!!!!
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 13, 2006 14:34:09 GMT -6
Coach if you passed on this, what that hurt your main career goal and could you live with it and also if you left those kids could you deal with it? The 1st one is more important
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 13, 2006 14:41:47 GMT -6
is my career more important than my loyalty to these kids? Thats whats tearing me apart right now
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Jul 13, 2006 14:42:58 GMT -6
my HS coach was offered a HC job at a D3 school. He said he always thought that was his dream job but declined because of the same situation you are in. He was starting to build a real dominant program and thought that leaving would put it in jeopardy (i.e. he would be blamed for it the rest of his life). He decided to stay one more year....that one year turned into 17 more and counting.
He discovered his passion was for HS, but his aspirations were college. He has no regrets for what he did, but said that taking the college job probably would have been a big mistake for him.
I guess what I am getting at is..is this your passion? Is this where your heart wants to be. If it looks to your kids like you are doing this for money or power, they will not accept it. They can see if your heart is there and they will probably encourage you (despite some sadness) to go.
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Post by brophy on Jul 13, 2006 14:47:37 GMT -6
what message would you be sending your kids?
I know every year a major DI program offers a coach late in the game....he always takes it (and many have said it would be contrary to what they teach the kids --> always strive for an arena to meet your goals....strive to be a competitor).
GO FOR IT, COACH!
Sure, we would ALL feel bad for 'turning our backs' on the kids, but frame that perception on what you have ALREADY done for the kids.....next season should be autopilot anyway with how much you've already instilled in them and teach them to deal with adversity / change.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 13, 2006 14:58:10 GMT -6
We are all in this profession to help kids but you also have to look out for yourself too! If that is the route you want your career to go then I would take the job. If you have always wanted to coach college ball then explain that to your players and they will understand. Some may be upset you are leaving but they will understand. I left my job (multiple reasons) for another and some of the kids there were upset but understood it was a better career move for me.
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crl
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Post by crl on Jul 13, 2006 15:01:36 GMT -6
Coach,
I have done both...was offered a head coaching job but stayed on with my kids, the following year I was fired. I have just taken a Div3 job and will be leaving my program, with my stamp. The team is on its way up now and looks like it can finish with a decent record.
My advice is to write down what you want from the div 3 program.
Include title, will you just be a postion coach or taking on more responsibilty
Money, this is always a factor
Where is it and how much time will it occupy and take that from your family
How long are you commited to the new program
Their are other various questions that you may want to ask, do so, and don´t be afraid to ask for things. Remember this is no hat in hand asking for a handout; it´s your life.
CRL
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Post by coachjd on Jul 13, 2006 16:46:56 GMT -6
Coach,
You must follow your heart and your career goals what ever they may be. I resigned as head coach at a school for my current job the Friday before fall camp started. I know it screwed the kids over, but now 6 years later I have been apart of a good football program, live in a great town, my family loves the town, the school etc... and I will be taking the program over after this fall.
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Post by blb on Jul 13, 2006 16:49:03 GMT -6
I hate to burst any one's philosophical bubble, but as an old-timer once said, "Loyalty is a name on a shirt." If you don't believe that, wait until you've been fired once.
Your feelings for your players are admirable and understandable. But you are also one mean-spirited parent, administrator, or board member from being out of your current job.
If your career goals involve college coaching and this move involves no unbearable sacrifice for your family, you should take it. The kids who sincerely care about you and are not selfish will be happy for you.
And, you can always get back into HS coaching later. You may never get another college opportunity.
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Post by saintrad on Jul 13, 2006 17:36:20 GMT -6
well moose, i would be willing to take which ever job you dont want...d3 or HS HC.  |
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Post by rathernot on Jul 13, 2006 20:10:57 GMT -6
i appreciate the conversation as i am in a similiar situation. not at the level that moose is at but the conversation has helped ease my mind about my decision.
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 13, 2006 20:47:44 GMT -6
Thanks a lot fellas. The feedback on this board is unbelievable. After a lot of thought, a lot of conversations and a few glasses of bourbon I have decided that I'm going to take the college job! Meeting with my AD, Principal and Superintendent tomorrow. Meeting with the kids on Tuesday. Going to be a tough discussion with the kids and probably quite a few tears, but I've gotta chase the dream. Thanks for helping me out guys.
PS- Saintrad if you're willing to move to NY and coach for very little pay at a small school with about 20 kids on the squad, send me your resume and i'll pass it on!
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Post by poweriguy on Jul 13, 2006 21:28:37 GMT -6
Best of luck with the new gig!!
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Post by fatboy04 on Jul 14, 2006 8:01:06 GMT -6
Thanks a lot fellas. The feedback on this board is unbelievable. After a lot of thought, a lot of conversations and a few glasses of bourbon I have decided that I'm going to take the college job! Meeting with my AD, Principal and Superintendent tomorrow. Meeting with the kids on Tuesday. Going to be a tough discussion with the kids and probably quite a few tears, but I've gotta chase the dream. Thanks for helping me out guys. PS- Saintrad if you're willing to move to NY and coach for very little pay at a small school with about 20 kids on the squad, send me your resume and i'll pass it on! Best of luck, Coach. Now go and impact those kids lives and build relationships as you already have. |
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Post by coachnicholson on Jul 14, 2006 10:49:31 GMT -6
WOW! What a tough decision to make. Good luck in chasing the dream coach and I wish you all the best.
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Jul 14, 2006 14:32:44 GMT -6
Congratulations, and good luck with your new job!!
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Post by backercoach on Jul 14, 2006 18:39:29 GMT -6
Good luck coach...
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 14, 2006 19:00:07 GMT -6
Guys,
I just got off the phone with the head coach at the college and he told me that they hired me because I was the best candidate they interviewed. However they may be switching some coaching assignments and they may want to pull me over to the Dark Side and make me coach defense!! I've never coached defense in my life, so all you 3-5 guys, I may be on here a ton asking for help. So I will still be frequenting this board quite often looking for help. This has to be the greatest website ever!
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Post by los on Jul 14, 2006 19:27:00 GMT -6
Good luck to you moose!
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Post by phantom on Jul 14, 2006 21:46:57 GMT -6
Congratulations. You won't believe how much fun it is effing up offenses.
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Post by firebird on Jul 15, 2006 3:31:24 GMT -6
Good luck moose!!!
I went through the same decision 2 years ago and again this spring and decided to stay at the HS level. I have done the college thing before and decided that I really would rather work at the HS level. Ultimately you must do what is best for you. The hard part is that you always leave kids that you care for and have built relationships with, no matter how long you have been there.
Again congrats on the new gig and good luck!
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crl
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Post by crl on Jul 15, 2006 7:07:01 GMT -6
Good Luck Coach...
Coach you took the West Conn job! Great...The HC and OC are really good people.
I was going to take the O-line job early on, Mark Bourque the OC contacted me, but the situation was´nt right at the time, but he was an alright guy in our conversations, please tell him Roldan Leyba from Germany say´s hello and that I will be at Menlo College this year in California starting Aug 7.
Remember! Always look like you know whats going on. Also you have a few weeks to get the 35 down. My advice is to down load a make a book on the defense and its variations and applications and get their playbook from them ASAP. SKnow everyone´s job too!
I was a defense guy and one day my HC came in and handed me a single wing Playbook and said"Make this work for us, you have two weeks and your the new OC" I told him I did´nt know do do about Offense. He then stated that I better because if I did´nt "I was fired!"
I really did´nt sleep till after spring ball...and my ulcer returns about the start of it almost every year.
Good anti- acids to ya.
CRL
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 17, 2006 19:55:00 GMT -6
meeting with my team tomorrow (tuesday) night. Any suggestions on how to break the news? I know I'm not gonna sleep tonight.
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Post by ccscoach on Jul 17, 2006 20:14:52 GMT -6
Just be honest coach and tell them this is something that you have always wanted to do some will be hurt some will be happy but sometimes you have to do whats best for you and if coaching in college is one of those things you did the right thing.....what section in NY did you im down here in section 4?
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 17, 2006 20:18:38 GMT -6
section 1
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 17, 2006 20:19:02 GMT -6
and thanks for the advice
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2006 20:23:51 GMT -6
Can you tie your move into any type of message you preached to your team? Goals? Aspirations? No man bigger than the team..no team bigger than the program. Opportunity knocks..be ready. etc
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jul 18, 2006 17:02:24 GMT -6
Just got out of my meeting with the kids, hardest 30 minutes of my life. But I know I did the right thing and wanted to thank all of you for your support thru this entire process over the past week. Thanks fellas
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Post by blb on Jul 18, 2006 18:02:57 GMT -6
Best wishes, moose. Be intense enough to get the job done, relaxed enough to enjoy it. D3 coaching, at least in my experience, was a ball because it was working with college-level athletes in a high school-like atmosphere!
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Post by goldenbear76 on Jul 18, 2006 18:12:55 GMT -6
Hey Moose..way to go!!! Very happy to see you get to that 'next' level. I wish you all the luck at the new school.
GB76
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