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Post by bj88smc on Nov 6, 2006 20:02:45 GMT -6
My 1st Year as a Head Coach...We ended up 5-5, we only had 19 players on the team, small 1A private school. Only 5 of the players had any experience prior to the season.
The Administration fired me.
There were two weeks during the season in which I only had 10 kids available for practice because of injuries. My staff was unanimous in the decision that we shouldn't play games during those weeks out of the fear of safety for the others. We ended up playing the games with 13 kids (one was a kicker only). Nevertheless, the Administration took this as a sign that I was quitting on the team.
Throughout this season, I had NUMEROUS MAJOR behavior issues with several players. My staff and I decided to remove these players from the team, however the Administration wouldn't let me (they talked with the player and had a team meeting).
During the last week of the season, the Administration brought a New Coach on campus, paraded him and his staff around for 3 days and then on Thursday, brought me in to "clear the air". They even brought him to the last game and chatted him up the entire time on track. They still "want me involved" in the program.
I'm ready to leave the teaching and coaching profession because of this.
A reporter called, has heard rumors. I do not have another job yet.
My question to you is: Do go public with the reporter, even though I'm still an on campus teacher?
Also, has this happened to anyone else? What did you do? How should I handle this situation?
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 6, 2006 20:34:43 GMT -6
Sounds like a bad situation. It's hard enough to win anywhere, especially tough without the administration in your corner. Don't let one bad experience sour you on the profession.
What's your teaching area? I'm looking for a Varsity assistant for 2007. South Florida is a bit nicer this time of year than Maine.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 6, 2006 20:54:28 GMT -6
FYI- 3 games into his rookie season Bill Parcells head was on the chopping block...
Once you lose respect for your employer its time to go elsewhere, go quickly, quietly ...but go. You will land on your feet and you will do fine for yourself. one door closes, another opens.
for the record, not everyone will agree with avoiding injuries as a reason not to play games...it always comes out looking the same...like a cop out. play the games and do the best you can(as you did)...what else can you do? leaving coaching and teaching would only serve to show that yes, you are a quitter. I dont think thats what you want your legacy to be. Instead, massive success is the best revenge. Would be interesting to hear the other side of the story from the AD/Principal and the kids who were removed. Just from a drama perspective....
regarding the reporter...no, i wouldnt go that way. tempting as it might be.
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Post by poweriguy on Nov 6, 2006 22:18:45 GMT -6
It's time for you to move on.
I was in a similar position last season. I was told by our AD we would not get a stipend because the principal was not happy with our staff and were putting in place a new staff, and we would not get a contract to coach.Yet I was told I could stay on as a volunteer if I wanted to.
I was upset.
But I kept my cool, and told the AD thanks for the opportunity to coach at the school and best of luck in the future.
So I sat out this year.
The thing is the situation at the school I left has gone downhill in a hurry. From administration on down.
I still have my good name, because I just went away. And now it's showing that myself and our staff were in a bad situation.
So just finish out your duties, and let the next guy have his shot. You and your staff did the best they could and take this as a learning experience. And say nothing to anybody, you are still teaching and you still have to deal with the same administration. But I would possibly start looking at other schools to teach at for next year.
Best of luck
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Post by firebird on Nov 7, 2006 5:06:37 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]I'm ready to leave the teaching and coaching profession because of this. [/glow] I wouldn't leave the coaching profession because of this, you just need to leave this particular school. Trust me, it isn't like this everywhere and there are just as many good jobs as bad ones. Go where you will be appreciated. To me it sounds like you did an admirable job. I would not bother with the reporter. It would be a chance to vent, but would come back to bite you in the future. Good luck!
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Post by los on Nov 7, 2006 5:44:08 GMT -6
5-5 your first season as a hc! You're the man bj, dont quit coaching or teaching. It took my boss here 3 seasons to win 5 games in his 1st hc job, lol! Good luck in the future. los
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Post by blb on Nov 7, 2006 7:18:00 GMT -6
Take the high road. Say nothing publicly that will reflect negatively on you, now or in the future.
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Post by coachf on Nov 7, 2006 8:02:00 GMT -6
Yeah...I would leave the reporter alone. No point in getting into a war of words. Remember, if you want another job you have to make sure that you don't look like a vengeful person. I would just tell the reporter to talk to the Administration and put them on the spot.
As for what to do. I would look for some other work, but don't resign yet. Especially, if you have a family. I know it sucks to stay at a school that has betrayed you, but you need to make sure you are getting a paycheck until you find something else.
Best of luck. I hope things go well.
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Post by mitch on Nov 7, 2006 8:38:37 GMT -6
Don't get out of Coaching! It sounds like you are trying to do it the right way, and we don't need coaches like you getting out of the profession. Leave as soon as you can, don't talk to the reporter, and don't burn any bridges on the way out IMO.
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Post by brophy on Nov 7, 2006 8:45:51 GMT -6
You will never regret taking the HIGH ROAD in any decision in life.
The fans & AD will grow tired of this new coach as quick as they fell in love with him. Don't sweat it, move on, recharge yourself in a program / administration that is supportive and successful, then give it another shot.
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 7, 2006 9:19:49 GMT -6
The situation sounds like the administration does not have a clue about winning football games. Which is your signal that it wouldn't have gotten any better.
I agree with Calende, go quickly and quietly.
If the new coach has the same number of players, he won't do any better, IMO. 5-5 with only 19 kids is a pretty good job!
Maybe you get to go be an assistant again under a successful head coach and learn more, or maybe you get to be a HC again, one year the wiser, with a fresh start.
Don't leave the profession because the admin at your school is not decent enough to treat you respectfully. Others will.
Good Luck
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2006 10:00:14 GMT -6
i would think that a 5-5 record would keep the door open for another HC job as well. the key is to avoid burning the bridge....I speak from experience on that one.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 7, 2006 11:38:39 GMT -6
Four of the first six years at my current school I was "pink slipped" because of budgetary issues. Each year was worse than the previous. In fact, I was a couple weeks away from switching schools because I had no job. The job is now very solid because of this.......
TIME
Your current situation sucks. I have gone through similar deals, but keep coming back. People who know your value will stick with you and see you through tough times. I taught for 7 years before I was close to comfortable with a position. I am in year 9 now.
It is hard to keep taking a pounding, but come back better than before and you'll be okay.
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Post by texasokie on Nov 7, 2006 11:55:21 GMT -6
My first year as a HC was at a class A school also. They had won 1 district game the previous four years combined, and finished the season before I arrived with 13 kids. My first year there, I got 32 kids to come out. We still went o-fer, as for many, it was their first year to ever play. I was granted a second year, which we started with 16 kids. We finished that year with twice as many district wins than the previous 5 years combined with 12 healthy for the last game. I was given the option of resigning, or get riffed due to budget cuts. The best view of that town I ever saw was from my rear view mirror on the way out. I have never gone back to or through that town. Never will. The thing is, it won't get any better in small towns with low numbers until the kids want it to change. When they are ready to make the commitment required to be successful, thenthings will change.
I moved to Texas, started over at the JH level, and still currently make $16,500 a year more as a JH coach...feeding into a HS program that will go at least 3 deep into the 5A D-1 brackets. No painting my own field, mowing and fertilizing it, weed-eating it, painting bleachers, and the hundred other headaches involved in small school ball. Total teaching and coaching only. No more
Future employers will call your past workplaces. Make sure that when they get the call that they say how hard you worked and tried to make it a better program. Don't let that one bad experience as a HC kill your career.
As far as getting out...did you get in because you cared about you and everything the career had to offer you? Or did you get in for the kids, and everything you have to offer the kids? You made a diference in some of those kids lives. They may not realize it until they get older and mature a bit, then maybe they'll understand the importance of the lessons you taught them about life, instead of the games they lost. .500 is good for those numbers.
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Post by texasokie on Nov 7, 2006 11:56:58 GMT -6
My first year as a HC was at a class A school also. They had won 1 district game the previous four years combined, and finished the season before I arrived with 13 kids. My first year there, I got 32 kids to come out. We still went o-fer, as for many, it was their first year to ever play. I was granted a second year, which we started with 16 kids. We finished that year with twice as many district wins than the previous 5 years combined with 12 healthy for the last game. I was given the option of resigning, or get riffed due to budget cuts. The best view of that town I ever saw was from my rear view mirror on the way out. I have never gone back to or through that town. Never will. The thing is, it won't get any better in small towns with low numbers until the kids want it to change. When they are ready to make the commitment required to be successful, thenthings will change.
I moved to Texas, started over at the JH level, and still currently make $16,500 a year more as a JH coach...feeding into a HS program that will go at least 3 deep into the 5A D-1 brackets. No painting my own field, mowing and fertilizing it, weed-eating it, painting bleachers, and the hundred other headaches involved in small school ball. Total teaching and coaching only. No more
Future employers will call your past workplaces. Make sure that when they get the call that they say how hard you worked and tried to make it a better program. Don't let that one bad experience as a HC kill your career.
As far as getting out...did you get in because you cared about you and everything the career had to offer you? Or did you get in for the kids, and everything you have to offer the kids? You made a diference in some of those kids lives. They may not realize it until they get older and mature a bit, then maybe they'll understand the importance of the lessons you taught them about life, instead of the games they lost. .500 is good for those numbers.
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Post by bj88smc on Nov 7, 2006 17:54:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice gentlemen! That helps a ton.
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