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Post by coachfowler on Mar 29, 2012 21:15:02 GMT -6
Awhile ago I posted that I was possibly going to be able to teach a football class in our middle school. Two of us in the school got the ok, the other coach is doing the history and I have been asked to look at more of the concepts in X's and O's. So my thought is I will start at the wishbone and work from there covering wing-t, veer, option, I, and Spread, and our HS O. On defense we will look at even fronts, i.e 4-3,4-4,4-2-5, and the odd 5-2, 5-3, 3-4, and 3-5 and then also coverages 3, 2, man.
My plan is to then place the kids in coaching groups of 3's so they have a "HC, OC,DC" then they will come up with their O and D in doing this they will have to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of their system. Then they will begin to scout out each other through the use of watching each other coaching on NCAA for Xbox. They will play each other in coach mode so they are just calling the plays.
What I would like to get from the vast array of coaches here is there thoughts on these different O's and D's. I know some having played and coached them but others I have only slight knowledge of.
So the first O and D I will start with is the wishbone and 4-4. For those of you that coach them what in your mind are the strengths and weaknesses. What must you be able to do in these schemes to be successful. Have at ti and thank you
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 29, 2012 22:56:44 GMT -6
Get the newest version of NCAA/Madden you possibly can. They've been getting a lot better at making the blocking work properly, instead of the old style where you either ran sweep or dive to a bubble.
Scheme wise, I'd be more inclined to work a bit more chronologically. Obviously the timeline isn't perfect, but pedagogically it would help by building the concepts from their origins. Defense is going to be way harder, because there are so many micro-variations. I don't know if you want to work more in defensive "families."
This course sounds like a ton of fun. I hope it works out for you.
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Post by coachfowler on Mar 30, 2012 0:25:24 GMT -6
I have given thought to the "families" concept for D going even and odd fronts and whats done with them. Instead of wishbone start with the I?
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 30, 2012 8:50:04 GMT -6
I'd start with SW, DW, T (and it's variations, robust T, split T) wing-t, SBV (wishbone as a variation thereof), pro offense of the 60's and 70's, WCO, RnS, one back offense, zone blocking, air raid, and I'd probably stop there. History gets messy if it doesn't have TE perspective of time, do I would avoid "modern" stuff like spread, flexbone, until we can look back on it more clearly.
I'd be tempted to avoid I formation because of all the formations, it has the least association with a particular style of play, or you could use it as an example to show how you can run almost any play out of the I as an example of how formations don't necessarily alter plays.
I'd also be tempted to alternate O and D with the defense that was most successful or common against a given offense.
This is going to require a crapton of prep.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 30, 2012 8:52:20 GMT -6
Is there the possibility of a "lab" for this class with hands on activities?  That would make it a game changer. Seems like that would be more productive for the middle school team than a history of the game and history of the x's and o's. Just a thought. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 30, 2012 9:07:13 GMT -6
True, but push it too far and the board will be all over you.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 30, 2012 9:10:54 GMT -6
Think like a kid. What does he know about football? If he plays middle school ball/little league, it would be from the time he spent there. Mostly it will come from watching TV and playing his game system.
I would take a backwards approach. Most of those kids will 'know' spread offenses and zone read option, along with 34/43 and nickle/dime defenses.
Why not take a WV or Oregon option offense and work backwards to the Wishbone? Same with the 425 and work backwards to the Miami 43?
Basically start with: Here is what you see today, but where did it come from?
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Post by TMGPG on Mar 30, 2012 9:58:12 GMT -6
Think like a kid. What does he know about football? If he plays middle school ball/little league, it would be from the time he spent there. Mostly it will come from watching TV and playing his game system. I would take a backwards approach. Most of those kids will 'know' spread offenses and zone read option, along with 34/43 and nickle/dime defenses. Why not take a WV or Oregon option offense and work backwards to the Wishbone? Same with the 425 and work backwards to the Miami 43? Basically start with: Here is what you see today, but where did it come from? I agree, the kids these days know a lot more about football plays than I did when I was a kid. The things that these kids know less about is the old flex bone, and wishbone offenses as well as the 6-2 defenses. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 30, 2012 10:03:29 GMT -6
Good idea.
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Post by coachfowler on Mar 30, 2012 12:43:18 GMT -6
Good ideas thanks guys.
Coachwoodall- that's really what I am looking to do is when you boil it down.
Davisfc- many of the kids taking this class are not members of the MS football team so we might have some hands on stuff
I want to be using their heads thinking about why a team runs what it does.
cclement- good point about the I. Might just use it like you said as a formation that much of the concepts can be run
from.
It's spring break here so I will be prepping for when I start. Anybody out there run the single wing? I am not very familiar with that offense.
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That would make it a game changer. Seems like that would be more productive for the middle school team than a history of the game and history of the x's and o's. Just a thought.
