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Post by coachcb on Aug 10, 2006 20:57:21 GMT -6
on this situation.
Last summer, I worked with the high school strength and conditioning program. We used an extremely expensive set of Speed City equipment to do our SAQ work, paid for by the boosters. There were three of us out there- myself (degree in exercise science), a guy who threw for a Division I school and knows his way around S&C programs, and another guy with a degree in health enhancement. All three of us were very much versed in SAQ programming and had very good workouts scheduled. I was only involved in the mornings, but there were weight room and SAQ session all afternoon also.
Here's the problem.. There was another coach within the same MS feeder/HS program that was running his own conditioning program for kids (during our off period in the early afternoons) using the gear paid for by the boosters (it was pretty accessible). Here's the rub- he was charging the kids and their parents for the workouts. All of the 4-5 kids he was working with were going to the same HS as the kids we worked with.
So, here we are volunteering our time, offering a very good, free S&C program using booster gear and as soon as its put away for the day, this dude comes around and uses it to make a buck.. The wost part is, I was the only one that had a problem with it.
What do you guys think?
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Post by jjkuenzel on Aug 10, 2006 21:57:26 GMT -6
Either everybody pays to use it, or nobody pays to use it. And yes, I would be pissed too.
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Post by poweriguy on Aug 10, 2006 22:35:13 GMT -6
I would talk to your HC about this. If he feels the way you do then he can talk to the offending coach and/or boosters and stop this bs.
I too would be mad as hell....
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Post by tog on Aug 10, 2006 22:49:05 GMT -6
I would have just told him not to use the stuff
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Aug 10, 2006 23:07:06 GMT -6
I would have just told him not to use the stuff
or he could rent it.
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 11, 2006 6:24:27 GMT -6
Everyone makes a buck, or no one makes a buck. Period.
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 11, 2006 6:34:45 GMT -6
My first thought would be to charge him to use it. After thinking about it I would tell him not to use it.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 11, 2006 14:55:26 GMT -6
This was a situation that is done and over- it happened last summer. We were essentially "between" head coaches (the new guy had been hired but hadn't moved in yet) so we were kind of on our own. I suggested to the other coaches that we lock up the gear, but they didn't have a problem with him using it..... "Hey, he's just trying to make an extra buck....." I have brought it up with other coaches around here and most of them didn't see any issue with it either. I felt it was completely out of line, I was just wondering what everyone else thought of it.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 11, 2006 16:28:48 GMT -6
cb -
We have a similar situation...local guru opens up a storefront and starts charging kids $150 for 6 sessions of Bosu Ball situps and cariocas.
Asked me if he could borrow some of the equipment out of the weightroom for a session. I told him no. He asked why. I said that if he was going to charge kids $25 for a 1-hr. session, he had a responsibility to provide his own equipment.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 11, 2006 16:32:41 GMT -6
This was a situation that is done and over- it happened last summer. We were essentially "between" head coaches (the new guy had been hired but hadn't moved in yet) so we were kind of on our own. I suggested to the other coaches that we lock up the gear, but they didn't have a problem with him using it..... "Hey, he's just trying to make an extra buck....." I have brought it up with other coaches around here and most of them didn't see any issue with it either. I felt it was completely out of line, I was just wondering what everyone else thought of it. Coach - Send a letter home to the parents of the kids who are paying for the sessions and offer FREE sessions instead. Play up your credentials. |
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Post by coachcb on Aug 11, 2006 17:05:58 GMT -6
That's a good idea, wildcat- thanks. At the time, I told the kids he was working with that they could be working out with us for free, but they just blew me off. They were under the impression that because this dude played arena football, he was some super qualified to be doing these sessions.. It was funny too, because their folks were paying out the butt, not only for the sessions with our equipment, but for a local gym membership where he was doing their weight training sessions.
Its kind of the prevailing attitude around here- if its expensive it must be better... The HC of the HS is running a a good S&C program (Speed City and BFS) at the school, but there's still a ton of kids going over to a local gym that's offering SAQ training through their personal trainers. They're paying like 300 bucksfor the same workout they could be getting for free at the HS. I haven't been involved with the HS all year- but I know the kids are getting stronger and faster.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 11, 2006 21:37:36 GMT -6
I don't want this thread to come off as me complaining or being upset- I'm not. I'm just wondering what other view points are out there because practically everyone I talk to around here is fine with the situation.
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 11, 2006 21:48:13 GMT -6
2 choices here:
1) you charge
2) don't sweat it. yea for him ... atta'boy
how does his gain affect you? how, exactly, does it become your loss? if you never knew he was charging would you have let him do his own training? he is doing nothing against any terms of agreement. not sure why it should matter to you if his "clients" must pay him. they have that option.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 11, 2006 22:19:44 GMT -6
2 choices here: 1) you charge 2) don't sweat it. yea for him ... atta'boy how does his gain affect you? how, exactly, does it become your loss? if you never knew he was charging would you have let him do his own training? he is doing nothing against any terms of agreement. not sure why it should matter to you if his "clients" must pay him. they have that option. I would have no problem with what this guy is doing provided that he did it on his own nickel. Caveat emptor and all that... Problem I have with it is the boosters purchased the equipment. My guess is that the boosters purchased the equipment with the idea that the kids would be able to use it free of charge. The purpose of the equipment is to help the kids get better, not so Dr. Guru can buy a bass boat or whatever. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 11, 2006 22:25:14 GMT -6
I would have no problem with what this guy is doing provided that he did it on his own nickel. Caveat emptor and all that... Problem I have with it is the boosters purchased the equipment. My guess is that the boosters purchased the equipment with the idea that the kids would be able to use it free of charge. The purpose of the equipment is to help the kids get better, not so Dr. Guru can buy a bass boat or whatever. again ... this is a BOOSTER CLUB issue. NOT, an issue with me (as a coach). if there is an agreement being violated, it is between him and the boosters. don't let what others do bother you if it has nothing to do with you. and, here, it doesn't... no matter how you spin it. how i see it is ... if you don't care about making money (not charging kids) then don't. how does someone else's choice on this affect your decision to be "ethical"? .... it shouldn't. just because you don't want to make money, don't make me "do it your way" when i do ... that's my point. if you DO want to make money, then start charging. otherwise, let the "law" take over (i.e. booster club & the terms regarding use of the equipment) |
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Post by coachcb on Aug 11, 2006 23:19:40 GMT -6
My problem isn't that he's charging for a service- its that he was doing it equipment that didn't belong to him and was intended for free use by the kids at the HS. There's nothing wrong with charging someone for training sessions - as long as you own or rent the equipment that you're using to do so. As I stated above, the situation is done and over- he hasn't done any training with booster gear throughout the last year. As I said, I wanted some different view points and I got them- thanks Huey.  |
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Post by khalfie on Aug 12, 2006 5:16:23 GMT -6
I think Coach Huey has hit it on the nail...
What if, the guy said, "I'm not charging for the equipment... the equipments free... I'm charging for my time?"
Point being, some people buy water, because they believe it tastes better.... some people hire a personal trainer, just to say they have one!
I can't fault a man, for being the first to put tap water in a bottle, name it Naive... I mean Evian... and get paid big bucks for it... no matter how mad I may be for not being the first to do it... some of us have a SERVICE mind first, its all about the kids... whereas otheres are business minded first, how can I turn a buck?
The fact that it upset you, "you giving your time for free, whereas the other coach charged"... sounds like sour grapes, and someone angry they didn't create "Dasani" or "Aqua Fina."
But that's just how it sounds.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 12, 2006 9:11:55 GMT -6
Okay, for the last time- I am not upset because I wasn't making any money at it. I have a degree in exercise physiology- I have no problems charging people for training sessions. Also, if I had wanted a stipend for my time I could have had one- the coaches that were being paid offered to split the money with me. I turned them down- coaching and working with the kids is what I love- I'll do it for free.This has nothing to do with me not making money.
I am upset because this other coach has no problem using equipment that is intended for free use to charge kids for his service. And it isn't just about his time- its about the 2500 dollars worth of school equipment that didn't belong to him that he was using to do so.
If he was charging the kids for the service and using his own equipment- then there's no issue.
If he used the equipment for his own training sessions and chose not to charge- there's no issue.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 12, 2006 10:43:45 GMT -6
cb -
I think Huey has a good point about the boosters...they purchased the gear...what was their position on a school employee using gear that was intended for free use charging the kids?
Why didn't the coach use the equipment and charge the kids this summer?
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Post by coachcb on Aug 12, 2006 13:32:37 GMT -6
The boosters bought the equipment for free use by all of the athletics programs within the high school. It was not donated with the intention of charging the kids to train with it- all sports are allowed and encouraged to use it, along with the HS weight training classes.
This whole situation panned out very quietly last summer, but I do know at least 2 boosters that were unhappy with the situation. The situation really kind of died out last summer and I haven't heard anything else about it. I didn't make a stink about it with the school because I didn't feel that it was my place- I voiced my concerns with the two paid coaches (higher on the old food chain) and dropped it.
The HS has never charged for S&C because the program has had a hard time getting enough kids in there as is. The current HC (great guy- great coach) has done a very good job of getting the numbers up in there- if he started charging he'd end up losing numbers.
We'll also have to see what kind of results the kids are getting from this local gym and their SAQ program. If the kids are getting faster and quicker through it then that's great- our entire economy is based on selling a good product. If not- it'll be good to see them back in the HS weight room- because we know those kids are getting results. It would be good to have all of the kids training in the HS weight room so they can develop some comraderie with their team mates.
I think I'm just going to listen to Huey on this one- the situation doesn't effect me and thus I'll just drop it. I heard several different view points on the situation and now have a more enlightened view on the situation. If you guys want to continue to discuss it- go for it. But I've gotten what I wanted out of the thread.
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 12, 2006 14:16:53 GMT -6
I'm surprised the school district/administrators allowed the guy to use the school facility and charge the kids extra for it when the same facility was already being offered by the school and staff for nothing. Do school music teachers get to charge their kids for afterschool lessons? Do teachers that stay afterschool and tutors get to charge the kids $$$. Hmmm, maybe they do.
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