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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 16, 2012 7:37:40 GMT -6
The latest is that the kids who arent coming down are being "picked on" by myself and treated unfairly. I just sat down with the A.D. about it. What a damn joke. Makes me wonder if I really need all this aggravation and crap in my life.
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 16, 2012 8:12:22 GMT -6
Oh these guys are all being outworked and I KNOW will be out hustled. We have kids who will bust their butts and will take playing time away from the others because they EXPECT to play and the worst part is that they are my kids, Offensive Linemen, who are some of the worst culprits. I will play 2 seniors and 3 sophomores if those are the ones who work the hardest and give me 100% if I have to. I have no problem with that and I have done it before.
One of the other problems is that we have had coaches in the past who have gone out and said that the weightroom is not important (freshman coaches) so these kids believe that and parents believe that. If I went to them and told them that their kids were being outworked and outlifted their responses would be "Football games arent won in the weight room, they are won on the field" and if I then told those parents that their kids were being outworked on the field too then I would be the jerk who was picking on their kid and had it out for them. Its a lose lose sometimes with certain kids. The worst part of this whole situation is that the kids do have talent they are just choosing to be knuckleheads about it.
The part that irks me the most is the blatant disrespect we are getting. Part of the problem is that we are in the midst of hiring a new head coach at our school (He has been hired, just isnt here yet) so I know that when he comes in and gives these guys workouts they are going to not do those either.
Sorry for the rant guys. I appreciate the words you have given me so far and the ideas youve thrown out.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2012 8:34:57 GMT -6
Just wait - been there. Your reaction will be to simply not talk to them about it anymore at all so their next complaint will be "you just ignore them and don't care". I'm just happy to know I'm not the only one who has to deal with that kind of BS. Now I handle it differently. I simply ask them where they have been, they give me whatever excuse they have and I just tell them "OK, well you need to lift so get there when you can." Me knowing full good and well that when we hit the grass their lack of strength will be obvious to everyone including them and when I don't play them I will tell their parents why. I will lay down the strength chart for our Oline/Dline/LBers - I pick those because the parent I will have trouble with next year, his son is a guard - I will show him how his son is a senior and benches 185, squats 235 and how our freshman MIKE benches 245 and squats 305, how our freshman 1 tech benches 265 and squats 365, I'll show him the entire list of kids his son's size and position and then ask him - "If you were a coach and didn't know any of these kids, which ones would you play?" and if he says "the seniors" - I will say "that's how this program got to be 2-8 in the first place and why the previous HC got fired." (I don't really know what happened with the last coach but he won't know that). I can't wait for that meeting, can you tell? haha. You're a glutton for punishment, coach.. LOL I have always refused to talk playing time with parents. From my days as a freshman assistant to an HC, that is one thing I make really clear. They will generally take it up the ladder on me, but I don't care. The AD has more pressing concerns than dealing with why Johnny isn't playing. If he doesn't, then we'll have a meeting. And, that meeting will include a DVD of scrimmage and game footage where I can show them exactly why Johnny isn't playing. I've been involved in that situation twice and it was FANTASTIC. If I were really motivated, I would have put together a "low-light" film of their exploits.
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Post by fantom on Mar 16, 2012 8:58:16 GMT -6
Part of the problem is that we are in the midst of hiring a new head coach at our school (He has been hired, just isnt here yet) so I know that when he comes in and gives these guys workouts they are going to not do those either. Well, there's the problem. I've been through a situation like that and it's very tough to keep it together. It's just human nature.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 16, 2012 9:29:31 GMT -6
Thought processes on the part of some kids are just screwed up. Somewhere along the line it does come from "imprinting". Survival is programmed in all of us, which in real life surviving is mediocrity...success however, must be learned and basically is NOT natural. That's the toughest job of a coach, getting mediocre individuals to embrace excellence... Duece And not all environments are created equal. Some locations have a culture that exists in which success with the right leadership is inevitable. While there are some locations that do not have that culture and great coaches come up short. Like has been said on this forum before, "there are more great coaches than there are great programs."
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2012 11:44:08 GMT -6
The part that irks me the most is the blatant disrespect we are getting. I heard that. The guard that I mentioned, I saw him just walking around after school, baseball didn't start until 7 but he was just hanging out from 2:30 until 7...what he was doing is sneaking some time with his GF but she was busy so he was just wandering around. I asked him why he didn't come down and lift and he snapped "I already told you I will lift after baseball." I didn't say a word but: OK slick...come lift after baseball then, see how that works out for you. I don't see where some of these kids have the balls to say something like that to a teacher or a coach, but then on the other side of that they don't expect any repricussions The kids know are hands are tied in a lot of situations. I had an Algebra 2 student that figured he'd rather get sent to detention than take a quiz. I told him that he was going to sit in his seat and either do the quiz or stare at the wall for a half hour. If I heard a single noise out of him, I would make his life miserable after school for the next week (I run my own detention after school). He went home and told mom and dad that I threatened him. I got an email from his mom and she expressed anger at my lack of respect for their boy's fragile sense of being and self-esteem. I imagine we'll have a meeting about it pretty quick here where I will show a (subtle) lack of respect for her as well.
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 16, 2012 12:04:37 GMT -6
Its just frustrating that the parents send these kids to school for discipline but when we discipline their kids we are bullying them now. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by blb on Mar 16, 2012 12:23:05 GMT -6
Parents want rules, structure, discipline in the schools.
Except when it inconveniences them. Then their kid is the "exception to the rule" and moreover whatever happened is the teacher's fault.
And don't expect any administrator to back YOU, either.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2012 12:23:10 GMT -6
Its just frustrating that the parents send these kids to school for discipline but when we discipline their kids we are bullying them now. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I have kept my sanity by standing my ground when it comes to these parents and kids. I posted this on another thread but, I'll go through it again. I had a girl accuse me of being "inappropriate" because she had become completely withdrawn and depressed. She had talked about getting sent to treatment so I was concerned. I tried to engage with her a few times and finally pulled her aside. I had a meeting between her, her mom and the principal a few days ago. I didn't even let mom talk. I told her that I was doing my friggin job and looking out for the well-being of her child. But, since that was "inappropriate" I would just be giving her counselor referrals every time she started getting strange. I let her know that I didn't appreciate her and her daughter misconstruing a teacher's concern for "being hit on" and that had better not come back up in any conversation as it's slander. I also told her I had referred her daughter to the drug and alcohol counselor because she couldn't keep her trap shut about the partying she was doing. Her jaw about hit her belly-button, she didn't have a response so I asked the principal if we were done and hit the door.
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 16, 2012 13:08:30 GMT -6
My response to you Coachcb is YOU DA MAN!
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 16, 2012 14:00:49 GMT -6
My response to you Coachcb is YOU DA MAN! Not just 15 min ago, a guidance councelor asked me what can WE do to help xx get his grade up..I have to meet w/ his mom next week....I told him tho telll the kid and his mom...How about turning your in on time
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2012 14:10:46 GMT -6
My response to you Coachcb is YOU DA MAN! Not just 15 min ago, a guidance councelor asked me what can WE do to help xx get his grade up..I have to meet w/ his mom next week....I told him tho telll the kid and his mom...How about turning your in on time I have a guidance counselor causing me the same problems and I'm fed up with her right now. Two don't do any of the work including the in-class, gimme points. Via email, I told her that it was her job to deal with the deep, emotional issues that lead to the kids being lazy, not mine.
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Post by blb on Mar 16, 2012 14:12:22 GMT -6
Except for when the bills come -
Man, am I glad I'm retired from teaching full-time!
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Post by coachcb on Mar 16, 2012 14:59:17 GMT -6
Eh, a lot of people working in school districts let themselves be bullied by parents and kids. I'll find a new profession before I let some mouthy little 17 year old and their enabling mother jerk me around.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Mar 16, 2012 17:19:44 GMT -6
Eh, a lot of people working in school districts let themselves be bullied by parents and kids. I'll find a new profession before I let some mouthy little 17 year old and their enabling mother jerk me around. I'm with you coach, and the others who have posted similar thoughts. What's interesting to me is that entitled kids and parents have been used to running the show for so long (and running over school personnel in the process) that they are nearly dumbfounded when someone steps to them, rolls up their sleeves and fights the good fight.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 22, 2012 13:57:44 GMT -6
For us, a key element is to make our workouts upbeat, challenging and fun. Even the littlest competitions at the close of each stage of our workouts have yielded great results in fostering a spirit or vibe or whatever you want to call it. Something as simple as placing a box on top of a garbage at the close of summer 7 on 7s, dividing the kids into three random groups and seeing how many times each group can knock the box off throwing a football at it has generated great enthusiasm. Similarly we used 2 hand touch rugby as conditioning from time to time. Biggest reason was that it was fun and tricked many kids into running harder than gassers. Especially fun to see the big guys trying to juke their way through traffic. Lastly, most of the coaches had fun playing with them...except it is reminding me that I am getting slower and slower each year.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 22, 2012 14:11:12 GMT -6
coachcb, I want to be just like you when I grow up!
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Post by coachcb on Mar 22, 2012 14:24:55 GMT -6
coachcb, I want to be just like you when I grow up! Lol.. You mean a potentially unemployed math teacher? The way I look at it, I could have used a fair dose of reality from a teacher when I was growing up.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 23, 2012 9:35:24 GMT -6
We do a 3 day routine (M - W - Thr) through the winter...
2:30 - 4:00 (Hour and half)
In the spring we incorporate running/cond/agility..
Come March we add a 4th day (Football skills) WR/QB throw
OL/TE Blocking drills. done by 4:00.
So our kids buy into this..
Monday - Thursday from 2:30 - 4:00.... Rest of the day is there..
Every weekend from March - Until August is a 3 day weekend. Off Friday / Saturday and Sunday. Relax and be a normal teenager.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 23, 2012 9:50:36 GMT -6
I just had a kid come into my 1st period class. He's in my 4th period class. He hasn't done...maybe 1 assignment for me this semester. He's on the baseball team. Right in the middle of my class he finds me "Can I talk with you about my grade?" me - "no". me - "go away." Girl in 1st period..."wow, that was mean". me - "I wasn't in a conversation with you".
Yesterday, another kid says to me "I've never seen you smile". I said, "You might...on June 10th (last day of school)."
My point with all this...get your damn work done on and off the field and I will take care of you. Be a friggin douche...until you attempt to turn it around...you get douche treatment.
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 23, 2012 11:47:24 GMT -6
There's only one way a person learns to do hard things, learns to believe they can do hard things and that's by being "forced" to do what they believe is hard and they cannot do- when they "get it" they get it, for life. Problem is many players and parents believe that you can get amazing results form minimal effort, that great things come from a tiny fraction of commitment and dedication. They want to do what the average and below average do and accomplish things reserved for those who are not just above average but way above average.
Its why some guy who you have never heard of and claims to be from Nigeria can send out an email claiming he'll make you rich beyond your wildest dreams if you'll just send him 5 or 10 grand- there is always a percentage who are dumb enough to believe it's just that easy.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 23, 2012 13:12:23 GMT -6
Update:
I kicked my "uncomfortable" student out of class the other day because she refused to put her iPod away. I then kicked her out yesterday for refusing to follow dress code. Both times she was given the choice: follow the rules or go to the office. She left both times.
Mom came in again this morning, whining about how I was being "unfair" to her daughter and making her "uncomfortable". I told her that the next time she made an accusation she better have a lawyer in the principal's office with her because I'll have mine. My principal's eyes got really wide and then he smirked.
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Post by indian1 on Mar 24, 2012 20:16:50 GMT -6
let the lazy soft ones quit. why chase them if they are lazy and soft? let them go and coach the heck out of the tough guys who want to be there. it's more fun to coach the tough guys anyway.
and before anybody says you might "need" so and so because he is so talented... there's an old saying that graveyards are full of irreplaceable men.
I'll have a blast coaching the tough guys.
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